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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 9, 2018 19:45:44 GMT
It kind of felt empty to me. Yes it's pretty, yes the explosions and big numbers looked exciting. But there was nothing there that made it feel like a unique, intriguing experience. But obviously, that's not the market they are trying to conquer with this, just the big explosions and big numbers market who enjoy good graphics and shooter action. And I certainly hope it does well with that.
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Post by witchcocktor on May 29, 2018 5:58:09 GMT
i mean if we get anything, it's probably just brief imagery of whatever (to give people something to speculate on) and then Dragon Age IV, Now In Production
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Post by witchcocktor on May 28, 2018 5:56:16 GMT
I've probably mentioned this before, but I don't want my protagonist to be pushed into the spotlight. I like being an observer and dealing with stuff on the sidelines. I'd rather be a companion to the main hero, than BE the hero. The progress and development of the protagonist, I'd explore through quests outside of the main quest as well, and let them have motivations beyond defeating the main evil or whatever. Idk, maybe this is just the completely wrong game to wish for something like this lool.
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Post by witchcocktor on May 22, 2018 9:25:54 GMT
BW is giving the gays what they want and making Greg voice a new romance option that is available for men (exclusively) and is just a carbon copy of Cullen. It obviously can't be anything else.
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Post by witchcocktor on May 21, 2018 19:59:02 GMT
tfw headcanon'd myself as non-dalish hopefully DA4 let's me be a city elf... headcanoning only goes so far In Tevinter you're less likely to be a city elf so much as a slave elf though... sounds like great fun from roleplaying perspective!
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Post by witchcocktor on May 21, 2018 19:10:55 GMT
Wasn't DA:I kind of devoid of massacring bunch of elves? If you were an elf, your entire clan could be wiped out by war table. tfw headcanon'd myself as non-dalish hopefully DA4 let's me be a city elf... headcanoning only goes so far
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Post by witchcocktor on May 20, 2018 18:28:59 GMT
I want to kill a lot of elves. Solas' minions especially. While being an elf! Wasn't DA:I kind of devoid of massacring bunch of elves? Oh wait no the well quest! Well ancient elves I don't really feel like killing honestly. I like their armor.
Bring on the hordes of Solas' elven minions, it will feel so GOOD. I would also like a quest to liberate some of the elves.
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Post by witchcocktor on May 15, 2018 13:51:56 GMT
2018's E3 will be about Anthem. That's already been declared. with Release March 2019. 2019's E3 will then be about Dragon Age 4. With release March 2020. If 2019 is solely for Dragon Age 4. then we would supposed to get a teaser this year. Nah, nah, definitely first teaser 2019, bigger presentation 2020 with release date early 2021.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 7, 2018 23:21:47 GMT
I'm so NOT signing this petition. I really hate characters whose personality and beliefs are their faction.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 3, 2018 10:31:02 GMT
Supply and demand doesn't give you a fastpass to create low quality content. I actually agree, and I think you misunderstood what I meant. The thing is, I'd describe quite a lot of ME:A as "low quality content", and when working with limited resources there's always a process that's somewhat similar to a triage, so yes, if you have content that's likely to only interest a low percentage of the players, said content is less likely to receive the same attention and resources other content with a much wider appeal will get. Anyway, this isn't the topic of the thread, and our opinions and priorities are obviously different, so I'll agree to disagree. I think what we can agree that ME:A is a shitshow. But, if you are making the conscious decision to give less amount of romances to one portion of the playerbase because of supply and demand, you have to have the integrity and the know-how to at least make those romances count towards something, and be up to par to what other people have. If it comes down to '' not as much content, and not as much quality in the content that does exist '' it just begs the question, why the hell are you doing it to begin with? Furthermore, while I'm not saying that I deserve content because I'm an unrepresented oppressed minority, you don't deserve content because you are the majority. Not all games are directed towards the majority, not all franchises handcuff themselves to the majority, and some take those risks because they want to and they have a passion for representing minorities and giving them the content they do not get elsewhere. I understand I'm creating a very idealized, romantic view on making games, art and entertainment in general, but games aren't always just a product, entertainment will never be just a product.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 3, 2018 10:10:33 GMT
Well if it's a product, why can they pussydick around and create OBVIOUSLY inferior content for the '' relatively low '' portion of the players? Because that's how supply and demand works. Supply and demand doesn't give you a fastpass to create low quality content. Besides, BW's product is as much their game as is their image as a company, which has been a VERY vocal supporter of the LGBT community. Also, from the same interview '' Interestingly enough and according to analytics, more players had female romances with Leliana (19% of players) than played rogues at all (16% of players) '' Because you are such a supporter of supply and demand, you probably agree that they should remove rouges instead of Leliana's female romance if they were short on cash for instance, hmh?
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 3, 2018 10:02:43 GMT
Self-righteous huh? I mean, it's probably really fun to be at the receiving end of the content and be super critical of those who are treated unfairly, but have some empathy. And it wasn't just the sex scenes, they completely dropped the ball in a lot of other aspects when it came to romances and equal distribution. Why should there be equal distribution when the number of fans interested in some of the content is relatively low (to say the least)? A video game is a product, and like other products it's all about supply and demand. I have a particular taste as well, doesn't mean that games are going to be designed according to my exacting specifications. Well if it's a product, why can they pussydick around and create OBVIOUSLY inferior content for the '' relatively low '' portion of the players?
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 3, 2018 9:51:44 GMT
Given the existence of pornhub, spending precious game budget dollars depicting sex is pretty dumb, to say the least. I understand the overall sentiment, but you are underestimating the value of emotional connection. Sure, anyone can go watch porn online, but in that case it's a purely physical thing, you have an itch and you are scratching it. On the other hand, when you have characters that you are invested in emotionally, a sex scene can be more than just porn. IMO it all boils down to: A. There's nothing wrong with sex or depiction of sex, on the contrary, it can be fun (for most people who play those games anyway, it wouldn't be there otherwise). B. Those cut-scenes require a lot of resources, which in turn takes from other things, especially when a company like Bioware goes for a "full house" in terms of romance variety and numbers, which in turn leads to something like the handling of sex-scenes in ME:A, which resulted in self-righteous anger from some people about the fact that Bioware chose to invest more in the depiction of the most popular options.Considering the above, I believe that it's probably beneficial for Bioware to simply move back to FTB or indeed use other low-cost techniques. Quality romance related cut-scenes are much more easily feasible in games with limited romance options and a set protagonist. Self-righteous huh? I mean, it's probably really fun to be at the receiving end of the content (I'm going to make this assumption about you because I have a hard time believing otherwise) and be super critical of those who whine about not getting the same content as you do, but have some empathy. And it wasn't just the sex scenes, they completely dropped the ball in a lot of other aspects when it came to romances and equal distribution.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 3, 2018 7:58:12 GMT
I'm thinking the same, but it also could be that he had to write a character within the constraints given to him, and it was less about his influence but BWs influence. Making sure straight men don't get triggered and tucking away the male homosexuality is still a pretty big thing in entertainment, not to mention years and years back. Oh, I don't doubt that. I'm just wondering what his own thought process was (beyond being excited about writing a m/m romance - I remember him saying that he was pretty stoked and that when he was working on NWN he never dreamed it would be possible). And I'm kind of curious how things would've turned out if Zevran was gay. 🤔 Definitely can imagine him being defeated at that point, yeah. Sadly, this is just another chapter for the archives of BW mysteries that we might never get clarification on. And, maybe that's for the best. Hopefully the future is full of gay male elves.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 3, 2018 7:03:27 GMT
Woah, this is new! A lot of people accuse Zevran of being some kind of half-baked bisexual because of the way his sexuality was expressed in-game... the overt preference for women, the constant checking in with the (assumed male) player ("would you be offended if I said I fancied you?" etc.) It's interesting that this kind of clumsy implementation could be the result of Gaider having to write him as bisexual when he originally wanted to write him as gay. Food for thought, anyway. I'm thinking the same, but it also could be that he had to write a character within the constraints given to him, and it was less about his influence but BWs influence. Making sure straight men don't get triggered and tucking away the male homosexuality is still a pretty big thing in entertainment, not to mention years and years back.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 2, 2018 21:21:30 GMT
It's a tad annoying that core parts of the story aren't implemented because of time, but romances are implemented despite being non-essential and costing a shit-ton of money. E.g Corypheus was underdeveloped due to time constraints making him a crappy villain, but at least the romances are top notch, because that's what's really important ... Well frankly, what sets Dragon Age aside from other WRPGs is that it's so character driven, and part of that is romances, as well as inclusivity. Their fantasy world isn't particularly any more mind-blowing than anything else on the market, neither is their gameplay. What sets them aside is what they bring to the table in terms of characters, and your ability in creating a bond with them. Of course, Dragon Age should aim to be more well-rounded as a game of the WRPG genre, but they have something great with characters and romances, so yes, they are very important, and is part of the reason it stands out from the rest of it's competitors.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 2, 2018 20:31:17 GMT
EA has had the Sims since the beginning so it's hard to know which came first - but I agree MEA wasn't great at it, but then if I'm honest I don't think the romances in general were that much better (it really needed more time in the cooking pot so to speak even if I liked the game) and the Trans one was awkward as hell. I don't think in general the Mass Effect franchise has ever been as good at being as diverse as Dragon Age either, it's something they really need to work on. I have faith in Dragon Age but not much in the Mass Effect franchise for it either. So basically we need the DA team influencing everyone Mark Darrah's already started with being Executive Producer for Anthem Well the op post does say that romances are expensive, and so with that MEA makes some sense as Cora and some of the other romances seem to have been invested with more money. Yet, at the release of MEA you had the dismal state of the Gil romance and the m/m version of Reyes. So you can clearly tell resources were prioritized. Hence my distrust as the panel made clear romances cost a whole lot. Animations cost a whole lot. So that kind of means Cora’s sex scene cost a whole lot and might of come at the expense of say Gil’s non face scanned basically CC face. So, again, I can’t be too reassured by that panel as Anthem stands in the way of DA4 as much as the ghost of MEA. And it's not just what the romance entailed, it was other things as well, like there being no m/m squadmate, no m/m alien, less choices for m/m players, the sole gay man having no importance in the story, and as you said Gil's character creator face and Reyes' inferior animations for m/m, and then on top of that the low quality of Gil's romance and fade-to-black '' sex '' scene. So it was just a eff you to gay men all around, before Jaal was '' fixed. '' And it wasn't exactly a peach for f/f either. So yeah, even if DA is made by a different team, I'm going into DA4 with low expectations until I am proven otherwise (ESPECIALLY if Anthem flops like a dead fish). I mean, at least when it comes to romances and LGBT content.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 2, 2018 18:30:12 GMT
Reddit: Dragon Age Things from HavenCon 2018https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/88yxhp/dai_spoilers_dragon_age_things_from_havencon_2018/ - A good breakdown of the panel(s). There were even a couple of things I hadn't heard before.[HASH]DAT '' Gaider wanted Zevran to be gay only '' Didn't he say the same about Fenris? Or rather, that he imagined him being a gay man when he wrote him? Goodness, now I really wish a gay elf happens in DA4.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 2, 2018 17:05:17 GMT
That's not a huge surprise. Someone at EA obviously recognised the potential in Bioware games. What is very interesting are the other things they said about EA: *Their chief concern is money, obviously, but they rarely push for anything specific or tells Bioware what not to do*When Bioware wants to do something “risky” (let’s say, Krem), the type of response they typically get is just “do you think you can do it right?” That's... comforting, but we'll see if the same policy stands if Anthem doesn't bring in the coin like it was supposed to.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 2, 2018 16:14:11 GMT
I hate how many loose ends there is right now in the story, but they are obviously gearing up towards future games, not just DA4, but further than that, if they ever happen. I've always thought that the last game in the series would come full circle and go back to dealing with the wardens and the blight. We've moved way beyond what Wardens were ever capable of doing, so I don't really see how we can really go full circle. I mean... I can certainly see a storyline where the Warden Order either redeems or redefines itself - but the story now is now way past the Blight (as in: Archdemon-led darkspawn outpourings) being the biggest problem the world ever had and we're slowly moving towards discovering the root of the problem with Blights, rather than dealing with mere symptoms. Yes, that's what I meant when I said blight. I guess I should've said '' dealing with the blight FOR GOOD. '' It's kind of symbolic to the series' run, defeating the '' big mysterious evil '' that influenced the first game, and ends with the last game. I mean, isn't blight pretty much '' the much forgotten '', looming evil that will need some sort of conclusion one day? Idk. Speaking of DA4 and loose ends, it certainly has a lot on it's plate. Solas, Tevinter and the Qunari, and I'm SURE I'm forgetting some other plot points. Juggling all of these and making it coherent, I'm a little skeptical on how it'll end up. I guess the Qunari might take a backseat, and come back full force in DLC, DA5 or both, because it's kind of the odd man out.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 2, 2018 15:22:15 GMT
I hate how many loose ends there is right now in the story, but they are obviously gearing up towards future games, not just DA4, but further than that, if they ever happen. I've always thought that the last game in the series would come full circle and go back to dealing with the wardens and the blight.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 1, 2018 10:47:19 GMT
Weeeellll we still butt heads on the issue. Eh, I'm not inclined to argue about Dorian's existence, his story, or his romance, and haven't been for a long time. No one's mind is getting changed, so I regard it as pointless. And I know some think my opinion is invalid anyway. Aside from that you've mellowed over the years. I know where you're coming from here, but I truly don't think there is much danger of this. They tend to not do similar types of characters in that way. I'm not referring to the gay/bi rogue, but of actual character story arc and so on. I know you want a KISA, and I think you should get one, and so should the ladies. The DA devs need to get over their rigid thinking of not envisioning such characters as gay or bi. Oh that's definitely true. At this point we all have our own opinion of the characters and romances and it's not changing anywhere. Though I have to say, I didn't always dislike Dorian, I romanced him multiple times. I DO have 1050+ hours of gameplay in DA:I, and that's plenty of Dorianmancers and Bullmancers. It just so happens that when you revisit those romances and characters dozens of times, you start seeing the faults and the annoyances, and then you compare them to what other people have and you get annoyed how others have it better than you, lol. Maybe I shouldn't replay DA4 that many times so I don't get completely tired of the romances gay men have lolol. I do like to find patterns and hope that every new installment, BW does something new. But there's always the '' danger '' of them revisiting concepts that '' worked '' and not trying something new. But but but I'm hoping that they challenge themselves and let Dorian be Dorian in all his glory, and choose a different path in DA4. Actually, these days, I'm not team KISA. I am team hopefully-not-at-all-a-gay-stereotype-and-maybe-a-bit-masculine-and-no-gay-sobstory-plz! I have a few paths I'd be interested in when it comes to a gay character in DA4
1) Elf or a human who is leading some kind of Tevinter's underground criminal organization. Cutthroat, seemingly cold, but a very trustworthy, passionate lover. 2) Orlesian noble who has taken up the profession of a bard. Very suave with the men, extremely charming. You can end up marrying him and becoming nobility in Orlais. I just really want to be a gay political power couple! 3) Similar to the one above, but a gay pirate (lol). Crass, annoying, kind of like Sera in terms of annoyance, loves the men as well but instead of being charming, he constantly misses the mark and just comes off as slimy and scummy (even though he doesn't mena to). In the end of the romance, you two run away together and sail across the seas as gay vigilantes! 4) A recent tal-vashoth who is trying to learn to deal with his new position in the world and trust the people around him. Bonus point if he was a saarebas. 5) Avvar dude. Just a big hulking avvar dude, not necessarily a KISA, but just a very big muscular manly hairy avvar dude thanks.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I actually like rogue-like men... just not any of the previous (gay/bi) rogue-like men HASKASJDksafsas.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 1, 2018 10:12:12 GMT
You can just call me out specifically, lol. I wasn't talking about you. You left that other forum long ago. I mainly referenced it for vertigomez who would understand what I was referring to. Weeeellll we still butt heads on the issue. But I think it's safe to say that if there's a gay character in DA4, they should take into consideration who Dorian was and try to do something different from him, and listen to be valid criticism put on the table regarding Dorian, yes? That's really all I need them to do. I think all types of gay representation should happen, even the kind that doesn't appeal to me, but in the next installment I'd hope they maybe try to pander to my tastes more, as... terrible as that sounds, lol.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 1, 2018 10:00:26 GMT
I was thrilled when I read this on Twitter earlier. The core of this is to take the time to listen to the feedback of the people you're writing about, because they're going to see patterns you won't, unfortunate tropes, cringey things that you wouldn't think about because your life experiences lend themselves to a wholly different perspective. It's always a good idea to listen to marginalized groups when it comes to issues that are... you know... about them. If David Gaider went with the views of certain people on another forum, Dorian would never have been written, and some of those basically think he's a bad self-hating gay because of it. Frankly, a lot of the reaction to him, by people who completely disregard and devalue the views of other gay players who actually like the character and his story, has me feel less confident in the idea of seeking out feedback. I don't know what the answer is, to be honest, other than to have a diverse diversity panel (lol), and that's less feasible because, frankly, it takes time and money to have that. I think the best solution is to have a more diverse staff, because they are able to look at all of the information available as the character is being developed and go from there, whereas some outside consultant can only rely on what is presented to them. You can just call me out specifically, lol. Dorian was already made, obviously he means the world to people, I'm happy that people are happy about what he brings to the table, and I'm happy if there are gay men who feel empowered by him. But I don't want the same formula to be repeated in DA4 in terms of gay representation, and I feel like my voice, as a gay man who didn't enjoy Dorian in the least, should be as valid as anyone else's, and I'm going to voice my opinion on the matter in the future as well.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 1, 2018 9:50:52 GMT
I love gay representation in all it's colors, but there's a way to do it right and a way to do it '' wrong. '' (I'm using gay men as an example for this)
A gay man can be a bad person, but if them being a bad person comes from the fact that they have sex with the same sex, and their homosexuality is put on the evil pedestal, then in the current world we live in, it can be seen as problematic. Rapists, child molestors, crazed gay sex maniacs who spread disease through non-consensual intercourse, yeah, that's not very good. But, even if such a character exists, they can kind of remedy the situation by also positively representing gay men in the same media, which balances out.
Gay men, who happen to love the same sex and have a male partner in crime, for example, can be terrible, evil people (but hopefully still complex characters) and there's nothing necessarily problematic about that. Of course, one would hope that there's some positive gay representation in the media, but as long as the characters are well written and as previously mentioned, complex and interesting, it should be okay.
But, alas, because of the current world we live in, where gay characters aren't that plentiful, I'd hope that most representation was overall positive, or at least a testament to gay characters are not just gay characters, but individuals with their own personality and motives, who just happen to be gay. That's the most important thing.
It never crossed my mind that Solas, for instance, would make bisexuals feel more deprived. His character is not his sexuality, but his other motives and personality traits. It's kind of looking down on your audience, really.
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