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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 1, 2018 17:19:11 GMT
Dorian's isn't bad gay romance, you just happen to dislike it. That is your prerogative, but it's not some objective truth that it's bad. Lots of players, straight and gay, enjoy the character and his romance. I'm sorry you don't, but again, that doesn't make it bad. I wasn't speaking for anyone else except me, obviously, there's no real universal standard of what constitutes a good (gay) character, but BWs track record of gay characters has been shoddy at best, THUS my joke about wanting the writers to want to write good gay characters and romances. And I wasn't just talking about Dorian, but Gil is really bottom of the barrel as well, and Steve doesn't hold up and feels insignificant. And I'm sure, while plenty of people disagree with me, some people agree with me.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 1, 2018 15:25:54 GMT
Since qunari are a fresh new romance option and if we are getting a qunari companion, it's definitely female, and dwarves aren't on the menu romance wise (and if they are, Harding is going to fill the slot of a dwarf romance, and especially a gay/bi dwarf romance), and most people still want to romance humans, I PERSONALLY think it's pretty expected for the gay romances to go like gay male elf, bi male human. But this is too logical, innit? I don't think you should expect anything. It all depends on the characters that are available and what the writer wants to do with them. I don't know about Patrick Weekes, but as lead writer, David Gaider had the mentality that his people should have characters they want to write and they found interesting. Well lets hope someone wants to write a good gay character. Wait, no, scratch that, I mean a good gay romance. I'm not sure how many times characters are written with a sexuality in mind and is ingrained to their design (barring characters with a gay soap opera story). I figured that they write the character first, then hold a meeting about who is assigned to what sexuality.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 1, 2018 14:34:54 GMT
But, with there never being a gay male elf Zevran and Fenris? Or do they not count because they're bi? (I mean, obviously bi != gay, but you want someone who is specifically gay, as opposed to a gay romance option, which includes the bi folks.) Obviously I meant straight up homosexual. There has never been a gay male elf (companion or otherwise, I assume). Bisexual female elf? [x] Bisexual male elf? [xx] Lesbian female elf? [x] Straight male elf? [x] The only ones that are '' lacking '' are gay male elf and straight female elf. So, you know, 1+1, I think both of these will be featured in DA4. Though MEA showcased that this kind of '' logical '' thinking means nothing, what with gay men still not having a gaylien when the game launched. But different teams so who knows. Since qunari are a fresh new romance option and if we are getting a qunari companion, it's definitely female, and dwarves aren't on the menu romance wise (and if they are, Harding is going to fill the slot of a dwarf romance, and especially a gay/bi dwarf romance), and most people still want to romance humans, I PERSONALLY think it's pretty expected for the gay romances to go like gay male elf, bi male human. But this is too logical, innit?
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 1, 2018 7:25:09 GMT
Where the hot ladyboy romances at? There definitely seems to be this fixation on making butch/androgynous women in games (or rather all entertainment), but never feminine/androgynous men. And if they are feminine/androgynous, it's played for laughs. While I'd really like an LI like that (for men especially), I'm really devoid of masculine male gay romances and I can't really 100% get on this hype train. Maybe women would like a really feminine male LI? I don't know. But, with there never being a gay male elf (elves being generally more androgynous than other races) in DA, I can see it happening in DA4 (unless there's a gay qunari or a gay dwarf). That would possibly be quite neat as well, because I assume elves are going to have plenty of spotlight in DA4, granted it has anything to do with Solas. So a plot-centric gay character would be fantastic.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 31, 2018 6:28:03 GMT
You're right, such a character can't exist. Oh well, we tried. Oh come on, this isn't about being a Gay Knight in Shining Armor, it's about being a character in Dragon Age . Look at the series' previous straight "Shining Knights": Cassandra was a rash, intolerant bully. Blackwall murdered civilians and children for coin and political clout, threw his men under the bus and stole Grey Warden valor. Sebastian was a sanctimonious flip flopper. Alistair was a whiny manbaby who tolerated any number of atrocities the Warden may have committed, but betrays them when his personal vengeance might be denied. Hell even Justice, a character closer to asexual than anything, could not grasp grey reality, naïvely merged with Anders and ended up becoming a terrorist. I like these characters and don't bring these flaws up to demean them, but reinforce that Thedas is a dark and complex place with no easy answers. If a GKISA is to exist in DA as an evolving, three dimensional character, they will need flaws and harsh dilemmas to confront. Otherwise, they're just a Saturday Morning Cartoon. No character exists without their conflict and problems. I don't think a gay kisa would be any different? Generally, when gay/bi men say they want a gay kisa, they mean they want a masculine, princely character, it's more about how these characters react to the male PC as a possible love interest, rather than anything else. How they are outside the romance, what their story is, could be aaaanything, as long as it's not a gay soap opera. Of course there are some virtues that he should follow as a KISA, but those could easily be the source of his conflict.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 31, 2018 3:20:04 GMT
A girly feminine yet strong female knight who can be romanced by both female and male protagonists. So how many gamers would be offended at such a character? Would you call her Ms fanservice? Would you consider her a boring character? My main issue with the Gay Knight in Shining Armor, specifically in Dragon Age 4, is how such a character would retain their nobility in Tevinter. One of the darkest, most chaotic, ruthlessly cutthroat cultures in all Of Thedas, where honor and idealism can literally get you killed. Would the writers stay true to the series' tone and lore and allow possible moral compromise in the GKISA's Personal Quest? Even at the cost of fans accusing them of teasing and betrayal? Or would they have the character remain heroic and virtuous no matter what, completely ignoring DA's history and demeanor in the name of player wish fulfillment? You're right, such a character can't exist. Oh well, we tried.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 26, 2018 18:47:51 GMT
- Let me be fashionable, and alternatively a slut. Don't force me to put on some chunky, practical armor, give me fashionable alternatives that show off my sweet abs and maybe even my perky nips? I just really want my characters to be sexy, or if not sexy, at least fashionable... Inquisition was a fashion disaster. The problem with impractical sexy, fashion-y armor isn't that it exists, but because it exists only for one gender. Let my men walk into battle with their midriff exposed and with high heels on their feet, and of course give this possibility to women as well. There, fixed your game for you.
- Crazy Tevinter couture and extravagant Tevinter architecture.
- No bottles, no mosaic pieces, no astrariums, no shards.
- 1-3 bigger areas to explore, and the rest smaller linear areas.
- Take Inquisitions character creator as a base, and then add lots of new customization/options to it.
- Make qunari and elves look like how they do in Inquisition tarot cards, or at least how they look like in DA2. Big horned humans and short skinny long eared humans are meh.
- Bare-fisted combat.
- Gay.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 26, 2018 17:28:30 GMT
Hopefully whoever is gay in DA4 doesn't feel the need to flirt with women because of shits and giggles. I also really didn't like how Dorian specifically has to be apologetic about his sexuality '' women are nice and all!!!!, but... '' and '' maybe in another life we could be together!!!!, but... '' None of this for DA4 please. This is something that MEA did right (in my opinion), just tell '' not interested '' from the first flirt and then let it be. I was fine with the flirting, real gays do that all the time. Only thing I didn't like about Dorian was that they went with the whole "my father doesn't accept my homosexuality" route with him. I thought Dorian was strong enough of a character to not need that same old trope. I wish they did something better with his companion arc. His introduction was so strong, and that arc just left it at a weak point. I thought it conflicted with his character as well along with how moody he was acting about his pendant, Dorian goes through the fade like he's going in H&M, Gets trapped in time, totally calm and jokey about it, he reacts to mutilated corpses, death and destruction with humour. He responds to members of the chantry with sexual acts. To have him to just suddenly transform into a teenager from CW channel "You never wanted me father fuck off", was just a low point for his character imo. Guess I'm not a real gay then. I just feel like, okay, they made their first gay character, and they just had to make him a total gay best friend so that women (those who cannot for the life of them make male characters) don't feel '' left out. '' Like, the friendship and romance routes HARDLY differ, it's so similar. This could've been fixed with Dorian only giving the crystal to romanced Inquisitor. Yes, I'm sure it's plot relevant in DA4, the Inquisitor having the crystal, but I mean I'm sure Dorian could've found a way to communicate with a non-romanced Inquisitor if need be... Idk, I'm salty, I want gay stuff to feel like it's really for the gays. But maybe that's detrimental to gay characters? Yeah, his story sucks too. I'm sure it resonated with a lot of LGBT players, but I just don't enjoy it in my high fantasy roleplaying games.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 26, 2018 12:31:23 GMT
Hopefully whoever is gay in DA4 doesn't feel the need to flirt with women because of shits and giggles. I also really didn't like how Dorian specifically has to be apologetic about his sexuality '' women are nice and all!!!!, but... '' and '' maybe in another life we could be together!!!!, but... '' None of this for DA4 please. This is something that MEA did right (in my opinion), just tell '' not interested '' from the first flirt and then let it be. I don't see that as Dorian being apologetic about his sexuality for he certainly isn't when you confront his old man. I see it as him very awkwardly admitting that he finds the fem quizzie attractive/pleasing to the eye something I don't see Dorian doing very often if ever. Dorian feels he can say this to the fem quizzie without it being taken for something it isn't. We have to remember that back in Trvinter in the social circles that Dorian was apart of that he would in all likelihood have been flirting with women as a matter of course even if it was hollow. Could it have been worded better? Probably but that's my take on it. Maybe we can have straight male characters being like '' dayum that dude is hot '' in the next game, then. Dorian is rebellious, I find it hard to see him flirting with women '' to keep face '' or whatever.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 26, 2018 7:35:44 GMT
Hopefully whoever is gay in DA4 doesn't feel the need to flirt with women because of shits and giggles. I also really didn't like how Dorian specifically has to be apologetic about his sexuality '' women are nice and all!!!!, but... '' and '' maybe in another life we could be together!!!!, but... '' None of this for DA4 please. This is something that MEA did right (in my opinion), just tell '' not interested '' from the first flirt and then let it be.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 26, 2018 7:29:35 GMT
I don't know...all I see there is Captain Hook. Still better than current Dorian :contempt:
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 20:36:38 GMT
The combination of the voice and his appearance just is way too much. I don't like his undercut/sideshave shit, I don't like his facial hair either. It's so hard to find him attractive because of this. I also reeeallly don't like his outfit. It looks so clumsy and makes him look kinda chunky (not that chunky men aren't great but... eeehhhh it's still not very attractive). This concept is a bit better. No twirly villain-y moustache, a less edgy haircut that otherwise compliments his look.. And clothes that make him look cool.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 20:13:20 GMT
A lot of a man's attractiveness for me comes from his voice. Dorian could be 2000% my type in terms of looks but I'd still pick Blackwall over him because personally, Dorian doesn't SOUND attractive. Blackwall on the other hand, man, if that voice was whispering naughty things to my ear, I'd go DIAMONDS immediately. I just really like masculine, gravely voices. If I play a Bi male Inquisitor i'm always torn between Dorian and Iron Bull partly because of the same reason as you, voice. I like Bull and Dorian's voice at times, and then I don't. Sometimes Bull sounds good, but then other times he sounds weird. Freddie has this habit of dragging on words needlessly. It's almost like he's trying to give Bull some sort of accent on top of trying to sound extra masculine, but it just doesn't work and just makes him sound douchy. Dorian? I haven't had as much problem voice-wise. I like Dorian's accent, and his voice most of time, mostly with him I hate some of his cringeworthy dialogue like "i'm too pretty to die" or "care to inquisite me again", i'm just saying to myself stop Dorian please stop. I often just go with Dorian not because i'm attracted but because it seems more authentic than with Bull. Plus he had a story important quest with Inquis. In the end my decision between Bull vs Dorian always end up as Muscles, Masculine and all around Alpha male vs BFF. A battle between physicality vs personality. Sigh, if only Cullen let us smash. I don't really like how cartooney his voice sounds like, he is so posh and glam, not to mention sarcastic and sassy, that all the emotions get lost on me. Like the Trespasser banter where he talks about Inquisitor possibly dying and being broken about it, it honestly just sounds like he is making a mockery of me and isn't taking the situation seriously at all. It's not a very masculine voice either, which doesn't help me when it comes to finding any sort of (sexual) attraction. I agree on you with Bull, and I think dragging on words is definitely part of it. But, I have to say, when he is fighting dragons and really fired up in general, he sounds super freaking hot. And in general when he is serious, but those are rare, rare occasions. I didn't romance either because fuck that, my Inquisitor deserves better. Cullen and/or Blackwall would have definitely been better for me, and my large muscular Qunari. There's something about a masculine man like Blackwall stealing a kiss from big hunky qunari dude..
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 19:07:59 GMT
A lot of a man's attractiveness for me comes from his voice. Dorian could be 2000% my type in terms of looks but I'd still pick Blackwall over him because personally, Dorian doesn't SOUND attractive. Blackwall on the other hand, man, if that voice was whispering naughty things to my ear, I'd go DIAMONDS immediately. I just really like masculine, gravely voices.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 18:56:27 GMT
Well as long as there are other singleplayer RPGs coming, I don't think the wait for DA4 will be THAT bad, especially if we get teasers next year. Are those really a thing anymore? Well TES6 and possibly Fallout 5 are things I'm sure some are waiting on. Cyberpunk 2077 is said to be a single player game by large. I was also introduced to Greedfall by a buddy of mine, and it's going to be a single player RPG, also with a romance feature (for those who are interested). So at least two singleplayer RPGs for 2018-2019 (most likely).
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 18:17:27 GMT
Well as long as there are other singleplayer RPGs coming, I don't think the wait for DA4 will be THAT bad, especially if we get teasers next year.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 17:53:11 GMT
I'm not sure I'll be able to stomach 2+ years of people debating what a live service is and what impact that will have on DA. We so desperately need something positive to speculate about...a title, images, description, trailer, anything! Well.. at least we have SOMETHING to debate and speculate about. Even though it does feel pretty doomsdayish.. just a bit!
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 17:25:41 GMT
Are we really speculating 3-4 more years of game development What's 84 more years of waiting?! I'm sure the elixir for eternal life and youth will be found before DA4 releases.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 16:49:04 GMT
Well I don't. His only purpose for me is to serve as a tool to gain disapproval with Solas.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 14:48:16 GMT
Well there's more than two years to speculate what live service elements are, so I doubt we'll be hearing definite answers any time soon.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 7:07:40 GMT
Having to reboot the game's direction in order to add in live service elements. These live service elements are big and game changing enough to have to use the word reboot. I'm amazed if someone ISN'T worried about the new direction they're taking. I hope we get at least clarification that Dragon Age 4 is going to be an immersive, single player role playing experience, and that is the main focus. I'm probably asking for too much though. I'm not worried thus far, because aside from Mike Laidlaw's departure we don't see DA folks being all doom'y and gloom'y about Dragon Age's direction. In fact, some of them seem quite energized, with Epler saying not that long ago that he experiences best time in his career so far. And he's the guy responsible for Narrative Presentation, ergo - story content. That's... comforting. But it's not like anyone that is working on the game is going to say '' we are very worried and critical of the direction EA is making us take on Dragon Age '' or anything similar haha!
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 25, 2018 6:49:52 GMT
Having to reboot the game's direction in order to add in live service elements. These live service elements are big and game changing enough to have to use the word reboot. I'm amazed if someone ISN'T worried about the new direction they're taking. I hope we get at least clarification that Dragon Age 4 is going to be an immersive, single player role playing experience, and that is the main focus. I'm probably asking for too much though.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 24, 2018 22:02:37 GMT
I have a feeling that DA4 wont be the game I was hoping it to be. Shitpickles. I'm just really really hoping Anthem pulls through and EA doesn't have to inject their money-grubbing poison into DA. Terrified of EA trying to force the devs to make DA4 for the '' mainstream gamer '' audience, instead of the fans.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 23, 2018 9:45:53 GMT
I really dislike Inquisitors with huge eyes, especially (female) elves. It just looks creepy. And then when people give them black eyeliner and maybe a vallaslin that also gives some makeup around the eyes, the already big eyes look even more bigger!
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 19, 2018 22:50:35 GMT
I hate mages, I think. It doesn't help that mages are throughout the series my least favorite companions as well.
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