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Post by readher on Jan 25, 2017 8:40:03 GMT
We don't even know if Liam is available for Scott so... 2-3? We've never had more than two in a single ME or DA game, and in fact our current total LIs for the DA and ME series so far is: DAO: 1, DA2: 2, DAI: 2, ME1: 0, ME2: 0, ME3: 2. This gives gay male players a current average of 1.17 LIs per game. Ooh, stats! Sandal, are you trying to woo me.....? Yeah, if we look at all of the Bioware games with LI's, we've got these stats: BG2: 0, KOTOR: 0, JE: 1, ME1: 0, DAO: 1, ME2: 0, DA2: 2, SWTOR: 1, ME3: 2, DAI: 2 So that means that the real cumulative stat is 9 LI's across 10 games or 0.9 options on average. Compare this with the straight guy numbers: BG2: 3, KOTOR: 1, JE: 2, ME1: 2, DAO: 2, ME2: 3, DA2: 2, SWTOR: 13 (you read that right.....), ME3: 6, DAI: 2 For a total of 36 LI's across 10 games or 3.6 options on average. If you discount SWTOR (which you shouldn't), then 24 across 9 games or 2.67 options on average. All that being said, I feel totally confident that we'll get two options for gay Scott. At least one human and then another (maybe a second human or an alien). SWTOR is 2. Theron and Koth. That is if you only count companions, since there's also Lord Cytharat on Makeb arc.
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Post by readher on Jan 20, 2017 16:51:31 GMT
I'd rather have 4K with 30fps than 1080p with 60fps. In general, fps is vastly overrated if you only play SP anyway. It can make a world of difference in MP, but SP? Hardly. And I'd rather play at 1024x768 in 60 fps than anything in 30. I've played (and still play) games from ~1995, their graphics are shit yet I manage. I can't however cope with how my mouse works at 30 fps. The delay is terrible, it's not fluid and feels unresponsive (it feels as if instead of controlling my character I were giving him orders which he executes after delay). I suppose 30 fps is more bearable when you use controller, but I only ever played on kb+mouse so I don't know. And in some games 30 fps simply doesn't work at all. Fighting games and competitive FPS belong to them. FPS is not overrated at all, even in SP. Try playing Q1 at 30 fps, it's unbearable and strafe jumping is nigh impossible.
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Post by readher on Dec 31, 2016 10:34:48 GMT
Eh, even DA:I which was terribad when it comes to characters was fine in the breasts department. They might seem smaller in armors/clothes in ME:A, but I'm pretty sure they'll be fine once they go off.
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Post by readher on Dec 27, 2016 16:03:22 GMT
He only looked dorky in the PS4 Pro demo. And I don't need female characters to be supermodels. I just don't want them to be absolutely fugly as two out of three females we've seen so far are. Why exactly should I think that other female characters, LIs included, will look great? DA:I was a total dissapointment in that regard for me and everything I've seen so far in ME:A screams repeat of that. There's no reason for me to give BW a benefit of doubt if they not only hadn't shown me anything to cease my concerns, but already shown some red flags. in the fugly ones, are you including Peebee? Because in this case I disagree. She might not be beautiful, but she absolutely doesn't look fugly in the PS4 Pro footage, she looks very different from her E3 footage. She looks actually better then most asari in the trilogy (mask aside, which has no relevance to ber physical features). You're free to not give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. Nobody is saying you should or that you should like everything you see. But other people can state that what you're saying is a stretch, Based on what we actually saw. Also, the point on Scott is that since he improved from the two footages, the same can happen for Sara. Didn't include Peebee. Just Sara, Kelly and the redhead from "Who is who" thread.
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Post by readher on Dec 27, 2016 15:37:48 GMT
Oh, good. The sky is still falling in this thread? Just checking. Per usual, as expected. So let me get this straight: We've seen exactly three major humanoid characters (two of whom are customizable) and because neither of the female characters are supermodels, it means that "all signs point to" this game persecuting straight guys again? Yay! Keep it up, BSN! Also, until they revealed who Scott's face model was, a bunch of people in his thread were complaining about how dorky looking he was. But now that they've demonstrated that his face model is based off of a handsome guy (even if it doesn't really look that much like the face model), it's another sign of the impending fempocalypse? He only looked dorky in the PS4 Pro demo. And I don't need female characters to be supermodels. I just don't want them to be absolutely fugly as two out of three females we've seen so far are. Why exactly should I think that other female characters, LIs included, will look great? DA:I was a total dissapointment in that regard for me and everything I've seen so far in ME:A screams repeat of that. There's no reason for me to give BW a benefit of doubt if they not only hadn't shown me anything to cease my concerns, but already shown some red flags.
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Post by readher on Dec 27, 2016 13:52:21 GMT
Well, now we have to wait for the reveal and see wthether they choose poorly, or done the scan job poorly, because I seriously doubt any underwear model would look that plain. Anyway, I won't be playing Sara, but I'm sure lesbians will and I bet they'll be oh so happy to have some average looking female scan of MC when compared to very handsome male MC scan. All we need then is reveal that all female human LIs are ugly and we have DA: Inquisition Against Hetero Men and Lesbians 2. I sincerly hope it won't happen, but you never know with BW. You mean women in general, women who likes women in particular, or men who will play Sara preset are also included? We all are lesbians? I'm confused I missed this thread SO MUCH... Women who like women in particular. It's because not only they'd have subpar MC default scan, but also most likely ugly LI options (like hetero males). I'm sure hetero women would prefer Sara to look better as well, but it might be just me, but I'm usually more concerned with how LIs look like than how my character does (not to say my character's looks don't matter at all). Since the thread is mostly about LIs, I wanted to point out that once again everything points to the fact that hetero men and lesbians will receive the worst treatment, just like in DA:I.
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Post by readher on Dec 27, 2016 10:38:31 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/5kh7ii/scott_ryders_face_model/ Look at all those people saying Sara's face model must be beautiful too and that she looks great and cute /s I really wonder if they got a face model for female lead this time and if they did, how did they butcher her face so much (unless she's not an underwear model like Scott is, but why would BioWare ever do that? /s). I'm definitely playing default Scott if I end up buying the game though. He looks great (minus the hair, I'm going for buzzcut). They did, just read tweet about that on twitter thread. bsn.boards.net/post/192406/threadWell, now we have to wait for the reveal and see wthether they choose poorly, or done the scan job poorly, because I seriously doubt any underwear model would look that plain. Anyway, I won't be playing Sara, but I'm sure lesbians will and I bet they'll be oh so happy to have some average looking female scan of MC when compared to very handsome male MC scan. All we need then is reveal that all female human LIs are ugly and we have DA: Inquisition Against Hetero Men and Lesbians 2. I sincerly hope it won't happen, but you never know with BW.
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Post by readher on Dec 27, 2016 9:47:52 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/5kh7ii/scott_ryders_face_model/ Look at all those people saying Sara's face model must be beautiful too and that she looks great and cute /s
I really wonder if they got a face model for female lead this time and if they did, how did they butcher her face so much (unless she's not an underwear model like Scott is, but why would BioWare ever do that? /s).
I'm definitely playing default Scott if I end up buying the game though. He looks great (minus the hair, I'm going for buzzcut).
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Post by readher on Dec 23, 2016 19:11:38 GMT
Well, the solution is to make her universally attractive then, no? There were no obnoxious people who critized every little detail of characters in ME1, ME2, ME3 or DA:O (at least not in numbers of any importance). Clearly BW did something wrong in DA:I and is showing signs of it in ME:A as well if people feel need to comment on character's appearance in such way. That's not true. Criticism, and negative criticism of characters, always happened, for little details as well, for every game you mentioned. There might've been a higher number on DAI (it's questionable, since the character subforum for ME3 was actually closed, for heated discussion on one particular character), and it might've been for different reasons, but the criticism always happened. On BW forum? Sure, but with DA:I we've started to see mentions of characters being unattractive in other places as well - reddit for one (and I'm not talking about /r/dragonage but places like /r/pcgaming or /r/games, unattractive characters were mentioned there alongside bad animations). BW forum was never a good indicator on how people feel about things, because its users usually fall into two extreme opposite spectrums.
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Post by readher on Dec 23, 2016 15:47:17 GMT
He's mad that people want hot female to romance and want them to be butthurt. Very mature. Admittedly, there are some extremely obnoxious people who will jump on criticizing every little detail of Cora's looks once her appearance is revealed. However, that's the very group you can't troll by doing what Ahriman suggested. Well, the solution is to make her universally attractive then, no? There were no obnoxious people who critized every little detail of characters in ME1, ME2, ME3 or DA:O (at least not in numbers of any importance). Clearly BW did something wrong in DA:I and is showing signs of it in ME:A as well if people feel need to comment on character's appearance in such way.
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Post by readher on Dec 23, 2016 9:25:38 GMT
The asari are monogendered and that gender is female. The in-game codex specifically calls them an 'all female species'. They are not a-gendered. They have a biological sex and it's female. OK, I can buy that to an extent. Except that Liara outright states that sex is not a requirement for reproduction. The act of sex might not be required, but they have to give birth somehow so I imagine their sexual organs are same as the ones of human female, if only for child bearing and birth reasons.
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Post by readher on Dec 22, 2016 10:02:05 GMT
...Wait, what? What does asexuality have to do with pretty faces? Or building colonies? I'm probably too tired to post... He's mad that people want hot female to romance and wants them to be butthurt. Very mature.
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Post by readher on Dec 22, 2016 0:53:38 GMT
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Apologies if it was mentioned already. Why has Bio refused to show Cora's face? Hints around the interweb (including Biofan and Ability Drain) point to Cora being mocapped from the Voice Actress herself.... same as with Miranda Lawson whose voice and face was taken from Yvonne Strahosvki. I believe Cora is young and if so, the actress representing her must also be young. This theory makes some sense but what I can't understand is why Cora's and Liam's, for that matter, have not made "an appearance" yet. Perhaps Bio intends to make another Big Reveal in January 2017. If EA and Bio are kneeling to the gods of Diversity, then I believe Bio has Liam as a coloured person (I think that's the right Americanism) and Cora oriental. Of course, she could be a native American as well. As to Cora being inhibited, I don't know where that comes from but a link is appreciated. She's blonde. Hardly oriental or native American material.
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Post by readher on Dec 19, 2016 17:13:06 GMT
Well, from what I caught up on the Bio games so far, my personal tastes run:
Josephine: plain, but very aristocratic looking Cassandra: OMG, really, really beautiful, I'd sell my soul to look like her! Sera: Cute, not my thing Ashley in ME3 - very attractive, save for the pink lip gloss (I don't like pink). Morrigan in ME1: Nice face, but her teeth bother me, because they look very dark compared to her carefully brushed up, luminous face. Love the eyes though.
In what I saw so far from ME:A:
Sara: Nose too big, bags below the eyes too dark, coloring is mousy, bit nice hair. The young black lady in the trailer Sara negotiates with: very cute Two other females in the who is who thread: shots taken from an angle that artificially flattens their faces, but one has cool eye-color. I have an inkling in the normal projection they have stock faces that are fine Aliens (two asari and a turian): artwork looks great, very "alive" and Vetra has the awesome facial structure that somehow manages to convey that she is feminine. Pee Bee looks like a cute girlish rogue in the same mold as Vette.
In conclusion, I don't see ugly women, save for poor plain Josephine, but she makes up for it with her noblewoman's air.
Going by the looks only: Josephine: Attractive Cassandra: Fugly Sera: Fugly ME1/ME2 Ashley: Very attractive ME3 Ashley: Looks like after too much plastic surgery, but still fairly attractive DA:O Morrigan: Attractive. The bad teeth is something all characters share in the game, there's a mod for that. DA:O Leliana: Attractive Miranda: Attractive, but her animations make her face look really weird. The actress she was modeled on is very attractive though. Sara: Plain, animations make her look ugly though The young black lady in the trailer Sara negotiates with: Probably the fugliest out of all characters Two other females in the who is who thread: Black one fugly and the redhead has weird as fuck eyes, if they were fixed maybe she'd get ugly but going by the ss we have alone she's fugly. Aliens: Can't really comment much on Vetra. Looks fine for a Turian I guess? Peebe looks ugly/plain/childish, but at least what we've seen of her facial animations is very good (at least when compared to the rest).
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Post by readher on Dec 12, 2016 18:44:08 GMT
I'm no woman, thank you very much. That's enough, Susan... But seriously, lets keep this forum nice and friendly, no need to be sarcastic / provoking. No need to be telling me this, I'm not the one who started. I'm all for discussing topic relevant to the thread. And I'm definitely missing some kind of a reference here
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Post by readher on Dec 12, 2016 18:18:44 GMT
Ladies - you're both pretty, ok? - now stop fighting I'm no woman, thank you very much.
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Post by readher on Dec 12, 2016 18:14:18 GMT
Thank you for another post that brings absolutely nothing to the discussion. Practically the only reference to KOTOR2 in SWTOR is Smuggler's mission with Nihilus holocron. I don't count KOTOR2 characters' Cartel Market outfits as a reference, because they hold no story value. At least Drew Karpyshyn knows what's good and his book had Surik in it among other things from KOTOR2. And Disciple was generally not liked, mainly due to the fact that Brianna was a much more interesting character and had more story value. He wasn't necessary a bad character himself, but the alternative was much better written and developed.
On a side note, your sarcasm skills are very good, practically undetectable. Really caught me off guard at first. Had to read your post several times before I detected it. I was actually already in the middle of a post thanking you when I realized it was meant to be sarcastic. That's some next level skills you've got.
I wonder if your only job is to provocate me. One closed thread isn't enough for you? Maybe call your gif friend over, I'm sure you'll manage to bring another discussion to a stop by irrelevant ad personam posts.
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Post by readher on Dec 12, 2016 17:41:58 GMT
By some reason I keep thinking that Liam is a resurrected Disciple's concept or another spin on Torian from SWTOR. A new take on Disciple would be more interesting for me, though tbh, what I remember might not be even there, seeing how KOTOR2 was all about the shades of shadows and what was left unsaid. Torian was fairly dull. I have not yet romanced Garrus, 'cause Thane. KOTOR2 and Disciple is Obsidian though. They didn't really put much recognition of KOTOR2 in SWTOR so I doubt they'd base a character on Obsidian's (especially since he wasn't liked at all).
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Post by readher on Dec 12, 2016 15:55:55 GMT
My prediction is six full romances so that every sexuality has one for "themselves", plus two bi options so that everyone has two choices. A number of flings on top. Five bucks says... Cora: straight Liam: bi (based on Kaidan in ME3) Peebee: bi Vetra: hmmm... I'll go with lesbian (five extra bucks on a Peebee/Vetra hookup if not taken) The second straight option for Sara is not a squadmate and not human. Same for the other male option for Scott. MAYBE Drack will fill one of these slots (I hope NOT). The only thing slightly off is that lesbians get no human romance here. So maybe Cora will be bi as well... ( I'll laugh if she's a lesbian and give five bucks to the conspiracy people.) What I'd LIKE to see aside from 4 player-sexual romances (my favorite option), is all aliens as bisexual, but then the balance would be off because Peebee and Vetra are both female. Of course one might not be a romance option. But I'm 99% convinced both will be. Don't give them ideas. I'd rather have her straight/bi than to get 5 dollars On a serious note, I'll be seriously boycotting the game if it comes to that. But chances of that are really slim. A lot of people are getting tired of what BioWare's doing (I'm not even talking about conspiracies here, but rather sub-par animations considering industry standrad and writing getting worse and worse with every game with way too many cliches), making main female squadmate lesbian would only add fuel to that and I don't think it'd be worth it, no matter the intentions behind it.
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Post by readher on Dec 9, 2016 22:41:16 GMT
As always providing insightful points to the discussion. I'm still waiting for that one example of what you consider universal opinion. No what you said was "LOL I'm officially done. This is beyond my tolerance of stupidity. It's not name calling when a person displays all the traits." Yeah. I asked about that example before saying that though. You've just choosen to ignore it. And you've no authority over me so you can stick that gif up your ass. You're only wasting forum space with it.
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As always providing insightful points to the discussion. I'm still waiting for that one example of what you consider universal opinion.
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Post by readher on Dec 9, 2016 22:15:10 GMT
Oh come on now - diversity, diversity diversity - it's a scam! What is "diverse" about the characters in Overwatch - they are the blandest stereotypes of characters you could find: The Russian weight lifter chick, the Chinese science nerd, the Korean pro-gamer? Give me a break... "diversity is our strength"? How? Why? All it is, is a lazy cop out for writers to not even try to come up with unique concepts... as long as they are "diverse", all is good, right? Bull... A characters can be well or badly written regardless of how diverse it is from a stereotype (which Bioware used and use often). Speaking as a general rule, expecially for Mass Effect were we got our share of alien characters, making characters 'diverse' helps making them not feel boring or repetitive. As for appearance, I think DAI was in general a try to make characters look different in general. As it was already stated, we got not conventionally attractive characters like Bull, Solas, Blackwall,Cole. Dorian was an hit and a miss as well. DA:I definitely went wrong when it comes to character design overall, but I will still hold my stance that straight males and lesbians received the worst treatment. Cullen is definitely great for straight females and I'm not sure about Dorian, but I can't imagine people being overly critical over him.
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Post by readher on Dec 9, 2016 22:14:24 GMT
Tell me then, what good does it make? Do you pride yourself in making experiance for others worse? "Haha, now those straight males won't have anyone attractive to romance, good riddance!". Is that your mentality? Tell me how making females unattractive makes your experiance better. Straight males will want attractive females, lesbians will too and others won't romance them anyway, or at the very least they're not the target of such romances, so how does it affect them and why should target audiences suffer for it? I don't want unattractive people in games. I like characters that look-good, whose character-designs are interesting, who have personality on their look and so on. Overwatch is good example, Blizzard really went for diversity with that one (of course there is always criticism etc, but overall it's very nice) and it worked out nicely. Attractive character to straight men doesn't necessarily have to be unappealing to others since as person playing the game you are supposed to experience all characters not just selection of them based on your gender and sexuality. So, your view is just like mine. Sadly none of the DA:I options for straight men and lesbians have all the points, and each of them has one it a state bad enough to write the character off for most people. Cassandra - manly looks. Josephine - bland personality and Disney-like romance. Sera - I don't even know where to beign, her looks are terrible and her character is something that will only appeal to very small minority. And your second point is spot on (although probably it wasn't your intention). You see, that's how it should be. A character should first be made to appeal to the target group (aka LI for straight men should look attractive to straight men and so on) and if other groups find said character, that's great! If they're willing to play opposite sex they will be able to romance them too. But what seems to be happening is making character appeal to God knows who, and hoping that target group will like it (and it turned out to not work in DA:I).
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Post by readher on Dec 9, 2016 22:14:14 GMT
Tell me then, what good does it make? Do you pride yourself in making experiance for others worse? "Haha, now those straight males won't have anyone attractive to romance, good riddance!". Is that your mentality? Tell me how making females unattractive makes your experiance better. Straight males will want attractive females, lesbians will too and others won't romance them anyway, or at the very least they're not the target of such romances, so how does it affect them and why should target audiences suffer for it? Since this discussion only seem to go in circles, I will ask one thing. Do you think that they are making the women ugly just to piss you off or for some "agenda"? Or is it possible that they are doing it because they think it is a smart marketing decision? I see it like this: A company are making a decision depending of the market. If they thought "we will earn more money by making everybody a flying blob" they would do that. So far I have not seen anything that point to an "agenda" to make hetero male suffer. All I can see is that in this forum there are a couple of people that is loudly saying that the females are ugly and that Bioware are catering to SJW. I have seen more people against this/ and neutral. All this have already been said a couple of times, so I will just have to hope that they reveal at least one female that you accept, so you wont feel like they are out to get you. I don't see how alienating majority of potential costumers (hint: straight males) is a smart marketing decision. Not to mention it affects lesbians too, who had just as bad (if not worse, Sera has neither looks nor personality, while Cassandra is at least an interesting and well developed character), which is one of the main reasons why I'm not claiming they're doing it because of SJW agenda (at least not yet), but I definitely hold it as one of the possibilities. Tell me again, how making females unattractive is supposed to broaden the market? Will straight males like it? Nope. Will lesbians like it? Nope. Should straight women and gay men care about how female LIs look like? Nope, because they're not the target of those LIs and chances of them doing those romances is very small. So tell me again, who's supposed to benefit from this? If you don't know the answer yet, I'll give it to you myself: retarded feminists (as in a group within feminists, not that they're all retarded) and SJWs. This is the only audience that will benefit from it. You've seen more people against this/neutral because you probably only take this forum into consideration. If you went to youtube, subreddits other than /r/masseffect (although even there a comment on a post that hit front page saying Peebee looks "terrifyingly ugly" got 5 points) and other forums you'd realize that there are a lot of people sharing my view.
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