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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 10:51:33 GMT
Yeah-I've never wanted a Krogan romance, but if we ever get one I hope it's at least with one who has all his parts still. Drack just doesn't seem like the romance material I could go for. I would much prefer Jaal, but even Liam would do if push came to shove. Either way, at the moment all I have is a fling that isn't even a full romance and Gil who's whole storyline revolves around his bestfriend shaming him for being too gay to breed. v.v How did that make it through editing?
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 10:47:19 GMT
This is why I support the increase in the total number of LGBT+ characters so that to represent one group does not need to sacrifice representation from another group.
Of course this does not say anything about the quality of the representation.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 9:47:34 GMT
Asari sword allows you to teleport to your target when you melee attack (the range is longer than a normal melee attack). During teleportation you can pass through covers and walls. It's useful sometimes if you want to re-position yourself quickly.
Selling resources from deconstructing armors and weapons yields more credit than selling the armors and weapons themselves.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 9:23:42 GMT
They should just give us Drack as a romance, I mean he is okay with us flirting with him You might discover that he has more prosthetic parts than you've thought.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 8:16:56 GMT
Eh. Guys. One more thing. All romanceable characters have "you can commit here" in their quest walkthroughs in the guide (like with Suvi). All but Jaal. There's nothing written about ability to commit (even with Sara) during his scene in mom's house while atm it's the only moment in the whole game where you can commit with him. Proof: In the light of our recent discovery about Suvi... Can it be that Bioware had more scenes with Jaal, and you were able to commit during them, but then they cut them and just gave Prima list of cut missions (including ones which belong to companions specifically) so they can remove them from their guide + list of new commitment points and were done with it? Because in the times when Prima guys were playing, Suvi was clearly bi, Scott was able to kiss her and etc.. What do you think about it?
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 5:16:48 GMT
Looking forward to it! Am I the only one who saves a game before talking to Gil so I can go back and watch the scenes with my Ryder and not the default Ryder? I'm guilty of that. Also, I just realized that the short scene with Gil strapping Ryder in to his armor may have bugged out on me????? Apparently there are two versions, and one looks like it should be romance specific! I got the scene where Gil teases Ryder for screaming when he fell out of the shuttle at the beginning of the game. But there is another version where he doesn't tease Ryder and instead WINKS AT HIM!!!!!!!! WTF I didn't get the wink!!!!!!! This has to be some sort of bug? What happened with you guys?? I got the teasing one. I know the winking one you are talking about:
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 3:18:16 GMT
So is his romance worth it? Is it meaningful? Or do you guys prefer Reyes? Yes, yes, and if I were to choose between them, I'd choose Gil.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 2:55:25 GMT
Has anyone got any Gil field banter? So far all I've got from him are the Nomad instructions and a couple of words during the remnant star ship quest on Elaaden. There was one on Kadara port. I don't remember the exact conversation but it is with Peebee.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 2:54:24 GMT
In theory you get to turn down sex with Gil...but you still wind up naked in bed with him, so I wouldn't say that's exactly what a non-sexual romancer would be looking for. The AC on Tempest was not working that night.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 2:29:19 GMT
Vetra may have been straight? She was mentioned as straight in a few early leaks that were true otherwise + dysfunct Scott-only scene on Aya. So only Peebee and Gil and even with him I'm not sure if he was a romance option early on because 90% of his content is available to everyone and game pushes baby story on him everywhere with only romance having an option to "stay uncles" (and even then he cares about Jill and baby more than he cares for you). So maybe he was just a holder of an obligatory "gay story". My Sara did not flirt with Gil at all and if you don't, he never once says his sexuality preference. He even says he wants to be with Jill and raise the baby and when she sees him and Sara talking, Jill teases she's "interrupting something" and it felt so wrong. Oh god, that sounds bad.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 1:59:28 GMT
Wow I guess that explains why there isn't a no-hetero scene with Suvi.
This is disheartening to hear.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 0:49:50 GMT
Just curious. Anyone playing Scott, when you met Jaal's mother, could you hug her? Yes, I could. It was nice.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 2, 2017 0:19:57 GMT
I have a question to people with Prima Guide. A poster in Suvi thread claimed that walkthrough for her romance has pictures with male Ryder in it, even a pic showing Scott having an option to kiss her. Is this true? Because if it is then it would be basically confirmation that Suvi, the only lesbian character in Andromeda, was not even written as a lesbian but just locked for female players at the last minute, which would explain why as far as I know she never gives any hints that she's gay unlike Gil, even to male Ryder who tries to hit on her. This is not the case in the online version. Here's what it looks like on the online version:
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 19:28:18 GMT
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 19:17:22 GMT
Just wading into the baby discussion here, but Jill is going to have a kid whether Gil contributes or not. IMHO it's just her wanting to do it with her best friend. Don't forget she's doing it via artificial insemination eitherway. Ultimately the problem here is that we don't know her well enough. They should also have started the baby talk before you commit to Gil outside of his romance cutscenes. Gil should bring it up without mentioning Jill wanting one (let's say because she hasn't decided yet). Then you can say whether you want one or not, then Gil at some point brings up Jill wanting one and wanting Gil to contribute. And there should be an option for Gil and Scott to go ahead with the whole baby thing without her, if you reject the idea in the base game. Although this should probably wait til the end of the Ryder arc because I'm not sure how the whole having a kid thing is gonna mesh with both parents on active duty. Which is probably why Jill exists at all. Which has led me to conclude what BW's thought process was: 1- People are gonna complain about gay people not having babies. We should make a point. 2- Nobody's done this before, we should do it 3- Wait, if both characters are on the ship, how is this gonna work with a kid? 4- Give the LI a convenient best friend who wants one and can look after the kid while Gil and Scott are on active duty. It'll be like having separated parents, where the Dad has found someone else. Also, Jaal should probably bring up at some point how this is like what the Angara do. Because I think the whole 3 parents thing is and interesting plot point in of itself. "Raise the baby the Angara way" That would be the way I want the baby thing to go as well. The baby arc should have started with Gil and/or Scott wanting a baby, not with Jill wanting one.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 10:08:52 GMT
My main issue is that for them to have a baby, they have to co-parent with Jill, a character you hardly know. If Jill was offering to find them a surrogate, it'd more exceptable. Also, Gil is vers Ugh I really hope it's not the case that they have to co-parent with Jil. That would surely be awkward, to say the least. How does having 3 parents, 2 of them unfamiliar with each other, even work? lol. And yes vers is good.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 8:28:24 GMT
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 6:47:21 GMT
I just noticed that we surpass the Twitter thread. This thread is truly salt powered.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 5:15:26 GMT
For the record, I don't want to murder Jill. I think the Jill situation can be handled by Ryder fairly well. Assuming they do not have the child, I'm pretty sure Ryder can continue to squash Jill's hurtful BS and protect Gil. If they do have the child, then it's because Ryder wants it. Presumably, Jill will shut up and drop the subject since she also got what she wanted. Win win. It is loveless Gil that breaks my heart. Manipulated by his only friend. Sigh. This is a good excuse always to romance Gil. One good thing coming from Jill is the scene at Prodromos where Scott said "Gil's my boy, Jill. Not yours."
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 4:35:30 GMT
lol where's the opinion? A character can be hated for acting in a manner that people dislike, but that doesn't mean that character is badly written. That would imply that the only likable characters are well-written. How is that sensible? Also it's pretty standard narrative practice to not repeat the same topic multiple times in the same story. It's my opinion that only representing pressure to procreate in one romance is incredibly inconsistent world building and that it is bad writing. It's your opinion that it's not. Saying "I don't think so, so you can't keep saying it" is just asserting your opinion as fact. I don't agree with you. You are free to your opinion, but that's all it is. I think it makes no sense for this to only exist for one couple. Either there's pressure for all the human colonists to breed or there isn't. It's really that simple, to me. It's a part of the world, or it's not. It would be like Jaal saying family is very important to the Angara and having every other Angara you meet totally contradict that idea. It would be like Garrus saying the Turians have a militaristic culture and then only ever meeting domestic or agriculturally inclined Turians. Either it's a part of their culture or it's not, but to assert it and then not represent it throughout the world is, imo, inconsistent, bad writing. Same with there being pressure for colonists to breed. If it's a big part of the culture within the Initiative, then it needs to be shown in many ways. Just saying they want to do different things with different characters doesn't work for me. Different characters have different motivations and goals, but they should all exist within the same context of a consistent world. The world should be the same around them, only their own beliefs and actions should change. You can't have one character existing in a world that's entirely different than another character. To me, that's the definition of inconsistent writing. I actually find the existence of the pressure on gay males to procreate to be inconsistent with the fact that egg and sperm banks exist.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 4:30:41 GMT
Sinkholes on Eladdin are pretty warm, I've heard. I prefer incinerate for tech priming. It was my favorite power since ME2. There were so many fire explosions in my playthrough. Scott's got the fire bug. I had so much fun with cloak, Fire, overload combo...I may be ruined for other set ups. What bug is this? I am not aware of any bugs relating to fire. I like how power evolution allows both incinerate and overload to both prime and detonate.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 4:20:53 GMT
I'm talking about the worst case scenario. Gil caving to Jill's pressure without Ryder to love him and help him. Jill has a hold on Gil. I'd love to find out why. I personally just want our good friend Jill to be somewhere safe and WARM. Very very warm....
In an unrelated note my Scott's favorite power is incinerate. What flame related powers did you find useful in the game?
Sinkholes on Eladdin are pretty warm, I've heard. I prefer incinerate for tech priming. It was my favorite power since ME2.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 4:17:30 GMT
I stumbled upon another timeline "wtf" moment. Why this game makes me suffer. Andromeda Initiative was founded back at 2176 (Sara and Scott were 13 back then), but if you ask AVP guy on Nexus, he says that judging from your personal code, you were one of "early birds". But... Alec never even considered to be a part of the AI until the situation with SAM was discovered, right? And it surely wasn't discovered when Sara and Scott were 13, because you can say at one moment that "I had everything fine, job, etc. but then suddenly being son/daughter of Alec Ryder became troublesome". So... The AI started recruiting only at 2181? Or Alec decided that he needs to enlist his under-aged kids back then and "nah, they'll go with me"? Or am I missing something? This gives me so much headache you cannot even imagine. :v I have a hard time making a lot of the timelines make sense. Trying to make Dragon Age Awakening and Dragon age 2 make sense gave me a terrible headache. It just didn't seem to add up for me. I quit trying and just "went with it".
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 4:14:18 GMT
And also bring us back to the whole thing of nothing ever being good enough: If HOMOSEXUAL_MALE_CHARACTER wants to form a family: If HOMOSEXUAL_MALE_CHARACTER does not want to form a family:
They literally can't win. This is so obviously true about literally every character and romance that it isn't even worth stating. Some people will always wish they'd written characters differently. Of course they can't make everyone happy. It's just a cop out when it's obvious most people aren't happy with how they're handling a specific plotline. It's not hard to see the majority of people aren't thrilled with how Jill's inclusion in the plot was handled. The vast majority of people I've seen that love Gil still hate Jill. They can't make everyone happy, but they can consider feedback when something falls flat with the majority of the intended audience. To say it's just whether or not gay families are represented is ignoring the bulk of the complaints. A lot of people here are saying they'd be fine with a baby plot if it was handled differently. The pressure isolated in this one romance is incredibly inconsistent in the world which, yes, is bad writing. Nobody else gets this pressure to breed, even though many other romances just as clearly shirk breeding responsibilities. Not even other gay men that choose to romance Reyes, a male exile and merc leader of all things, have to hear about babies. It's not actually a feature of the world, which is why it's jarring. On top of that, many people that would like to have a baby with their partner don't want to have a third party they barely know involved. It's an unrealistic situation. What gay man would agree to co-parent with a woman they'd met once just because she was friends with a guy he'd been dating less than a year? I think the reaction would have been totally different if this was a decision just between Gil and Scott after building a strong bond between them. I know my reaction would be different. The problem most people have with the plot isn't that they're introducing gay families or allowing you to decide if you want to be part of one, it's how they handled the set up for that. I, for one, was actually really excited about the idea before I saw how it played out. That was me too! I was very excited when Gil's voice lines about the baby were extracted during data mining. But then the game came out lol.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 4:00:16 GMT
The use of stereotypes does kind of bring us back to this whole thing being blamed on the execution. And also bring us back to the whole thing of nothing ever being good enough: If HOMOSEXUAL_MALE_CHARACTER wants to form a family: If HOMOSEXUAL_MALE_CHARACTER does not want to form a family:
They literally can't win. I don't think that's necessarily the case. This whole Gil baby thing could just happen without Jill or happen this way: Scott and Gil want to have a baby, they ask for Jill's help, and a baby happens.
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