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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:57:37 GMT
Still my opinion, I don't claim that as an "objective truth" That's not how it works. And that's your opinion.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:54:30 GMT
And that's my opinion of Bioware's writing. "and nothing more". You outright say it can be no other way. Still my opinion, I don't claim that as an "objective truth"
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:50:18 GMT
I didn't say my opinion is an objective truth, no? Not sure how do you get that from? "BioWare writing TM". And that's my opinion of Bioware's writing.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:48:30 GMT
This is why I think the whole thing is just Bioware writing TM. It's just tone-deaf and nothing more. Can you not project your own subjective opinion as an objective truth? I didn't say my opinion is an objective truth, no? Not sure how do you get that from?
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:44:59 GMT
lol you really hate her don't you? It's pretty much a stereotype that gay men are asked by their best friends to be baby daddies. The use of stereotypes does kind of bring us back to this whole thing being blamed on the execution. This is why I think the whole thing is just Bioware writing TM. It's just tone-deaf and nothing more.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:33:37 GMT
There is a need according to Jill. She would know, and possibly exaggerate. Exaggeration is likely. The existence of a gene stock as well as there being a lot more heterosexual men than gay men kind of means there isnt a need. May be she is just teasing gil and it comes across unfortunately. And maybe we circle back to wonky execution. Have you considered the possibility that no heterosexual men want to have a baby with her? That's might be why she is asking Gil or is using sperm banks.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:29:44 GMT
Then this settles it. There is no need for gay men to procreate. Jill claiming otherwise means that she's stupid and/or abusive, or her writer is not aware of the genetic banks or trying too hard to include her into Gil's story. The writer definitely knew, because they talk about her getting sperm from the banks, from like a famous physicist or something. That's the result if you romance Gil and don't have the baby with him. She is making a baby with her egg and a physicist's sperm? What a waste of the sperm lol.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:20:42 GMT
Wait, they have sperm banks? If that's the case, why would they even need gays to help repopulate lol? The limiting factor in this case is rather women. they brought dna samples from the milky way to ensure healthy variety in the population. It was mentioned during a side quest where you are trying to save a pregnant woman. There's is no excuse for the way this romance was written. Then this settles it. There is no need for gay men to procreate. Jill claiming otherwise means that she's stupid and/or abusive, or her writer is not aware of the genetic banks or trying too hard to include her into Gil's story.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:12:43 GMT
Wait, they have sperm banks? If that's the case, why would they even need gays to help repopulate lol? The limiting factor in this case is rather women. The real question is why wouldn't they have sperm banks. That should actually be a priority. Stocking up on sperm once people get out of cryo. Unless they can cryo sperm for 600 years and have it still be viable. In that case, there should have been storerooms of frozen sperm on the Hyperion from the start. Yep. Indeed it would make sense that both sperms and eggs should be collected before the trip and frozen during the trip. Once enough resource is there to start repopulating, fertilization can start occur. I hope that Jill as a repopulation specialist would understand the nuance of the subject matter. You cannot just keep creating babies without enough resource to sustain them. This is also why I sided with Addison and agreed that Kennedy couples should not be allowed to remove the blocker.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:03:58 GMT
lol it's funny how parenting is forgotten xD I get it but then that becomes an adoption issue not one about procreating. Yep, I wouldn't mind adopting but procreating? Nah, no thanks.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 3:02:12 GMT
The problem is more of that there wasn't enough resource to sustain population, rather than not enough population to sustain itself. If tje resource is enough, 20k population would do just fine. There's no need for gay people to participate. What you view as "no need" is viewed differently by someone whose entire job is to ensure the viability of the population especially when there aren't enough resources as you specified. To her, if you aren't contributing, you're not fulfilling expectations. You cannot fault her for thinking that way. The issue presented is that people who are sent to colonize are expected to reproduce, irrespective of their sexual orientation. You can disagree with that sentiment, and if you're in a relationship with Gil, can influence events appropriately. Of course I can fault her for thinking that way. As a repopulation specialist, she should understand what is necessary or not. If resource is the problem, she should avoid increasing population until the resource can sustain it, not just pumping babies just because she can. Doing so would jeopardize humanity.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 2:57:55 GMT
Don't view it as gay guys being a problem. It's guys who don't want to reproduce. There's a difference and the change in perspective may help. It's also not society as we know it, but a society in another galaxy facing a need for repopulation efforts. It's a different setting with different parameters. I do understand associating it with modern contexts, but it is still a valid question in the actual context it is presented in. I guess. Suppose it's just unfortunate these opinions are only expressed to gay guys. Not people that just dont want children. Not to lesbians. I mean they've got sperm banks, wouldnt her biggest problem be women that dont want to get pregnant? Wait, they have sperm banks? If that's the case, why would they even need gays to help repopulate lol? The limiting factor in this case is rather women.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 2:51:12 GMT
The people who are exiled or dead were on the nexus. The 20k in Hyperion are just fine and should be enough to sustain the population. True. Memory fail. Although a lot are in stasis and population efforts need to begin immediately. Regardless, it's still an interesting question. The problem is more of that there wasn't enough resource to sustain population, rather than not enough population to sustain itself. If tje resource is enough, 20k population would do just fine. There's no need for gay people to participate.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 2:39:35 GMT
It's not problematic. The question is very real. It takes 5000 humans to sustain a viable population. There are only 20,000 humans on the ship, with a significant number having died or been exiled Should gay men be part of colonization efforts on different planets when they can't reproduce naturally? If so, should they be held responsible to at least reproduce via artificial means. If not, then how would you address the social pressures they may face? I haven't even spoken to her yet, but based on what I've read, Jill represents what presumably friendly individuals might be if they were faced with the same pressures. Would you really fault her for pressuring Gil like that when it's her job to make sure humanity sustains a viable population? It's an interesting discussion I think. Probably not the most romantic though The people who are exiled or dead were on the nexus. The 20k in Hyperion are just fine and should be enough to sustain the population.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 1:29:59 GMT
I don't think Gil's writer intends the baby arc to be this problematic. It's just tone-deaf writing that Bioware is often guilty of.
How I prefer the whole baby thing to be written is more like this:
- Gil wants a baby and knows that it's possible because he knows Jill. - Gil talks to you first before talking to Jill about this. - If you are ok, you and Gil go talk to Jill. - The baby happens.
I prefer this because the baby decision is entirely based on Gil's and yours, not some woman who wants to play the re-population game.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 1, 2017 0:14:43 GMT
Hi hands are kinda cute.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 31, 2017 20:30:13 GMT
This screen makes me wonder about the whole Gil and Reyes thing being a glitch. Spoilered for images of the last scene in the game The upper one is someone who just romanced Gil the lower one is mine and I romanced both I had the lower one too but i never romanced reyes. What's your decision regarding the baby? I have a feeling that the emotional line only appears if you say yes, regardless whether you romance Reyes or not.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 31, 2017 20:25:33 GMT
This screen makes me wonder about the whole Gil and Reyes thing being a glitch. Spoilered for images of the last scene in the game The upper one is someone who just romanced Gil the lower one is mine and I romanced both I got the upper one and I romanced both. The upper one seems to be related to your choice about the baby.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 31, 2017 20:24:19 GMT
What? Lexi mentions significant other? She never said anything like that to me. In one of her late game scenes with you if you select an option you talk about how you're doing this for your family, friends, and then she speaks up saying the name of your LI. Oh I remember that now. I romanced both and Gil was the one Lexi mentioned. Personally I have no problem with the game choosing Gil for me, because I consider Reyes as a non-committal relationship anyway. I was charmed by Reyes and his bad-boy mysterious vibe, but I don't feel I can trust him enough for a serious relationship. #HusbandoWar
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Post by Dirk on Mar 31, 2017 20:12:03 GMT
There is no way that gay or bi male Ryder is more popular. You might see a lot of people talk about Gil in the romance thread or that Gil thread is has the second most replies in the character section (only behind Jaal's), but that's because some people (including me) are very salty about the state of m/m romance. These people are still simply very small minority compared to ME:A players as a group.
That said, my Ryder is totally gay and bangs both Gil and Reyes.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 31, 2017 19:27:56 GMT
It's a bit quiet today.
So I was thinking about how romancing both Gil and Reyes is going to have any effects in the next game if they are continuing with Ryder. Would they make me choose, both break up with Ryder, or keep ignoring each other existence?
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Post by Dirk on Mar 31, 2017 19:09:53 GMT
She demands protection fees from you for settling the outpost on the planet? Unacceptable. It's her who should pay me for working my ass off to make the planet livable. Lol. Yup! And I get the feeling all the money goes to lining her own pockets. On the other hand, Reyes does take a cut of people's profits who trade in Kadara (found this out from a merchant on another planet), but we hear about the Collective buying things like materials and planning building projects and such. So basically he's charging taxes that go back into the community, versus Sloan's mafia-style 'protection fees' to keep her goons off your back. And as I said, the Collective helps protect your outpost without you asking, and he certainly never charges you for it. That's why I think Reyes will end up controlling Kadara regardless of who you side with in the future. The game really seems to push you in his direction as 'the right choice' and leaves his fate pretty open if you don't. I realize some fans who are all about 'choice and consequences' or liked Sloane will hate that, but... it makes sense in this case and as a Reyes fan I certainly wouldn't complain! Now that seals her fate in all my playthroughs. The more I learn about Sloan, the more I hate her.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 31, 2017 14:37:59 GMT
You write "coward" but I read "brains and strong self-preservation instinct." Tomato, tomahto. Between honor and pragmatism, I'll take my chances with pragmatism. *sigh* Why does practicality always get such a bad rap? Shoot someone in the face or shoot them in the back, either way someone's dead. "Honor" has been used to justify a lot of murder throughout history. Reyes' methodology, honorable or not (and yeah it's totally not), reduces collateral damage, disposes of a tyrant, and strengthens Kadara's bond with the local Angarans. Not a monster in my books, just a pragmatist. (I'm not saying his motives are completely altruistic. To quote the man himself: "Honor has a price.") I think that's a really good summary of his character. Are his methods honorable? No. But I think his intentions are. And Sloane is definitely the worse of two evils by a long shot (assuming you can even call Reyes evil): Sloane can pretend to be honorable, but she allows civilians to be beaten in the streets, has prisoners tortured, and banishes people to the badlands if they don't pay up - which is as good as killing them. She encourages the drug trade, essentially stole one of the Angara's few homeworlds and its resources, all while sitting on her throne and raking in the profits as most of her people live in fear, squalor, and poverty. And she certainly approves of you shooting Reyes in the back as he tries to escape. Hypocrite much? And then even if she sides with you she demands protection fees for the privilege of settling on the planet you made viable. (Where Reyes protects it for free, without even being asked.) I literally see no reason to side with her. Had Reyes not had her killed, I'd have tried to find a way to get rid of her myself.
And it's clear she's losing her grip on Kadara. She wants a war with the Initiative she cannot win (which will result in a lot of death on both sides) and that doesn't go away even if you side with her. The Collective is undermining her rule, and will continue to do so even if Reyes is 'gone,' and she can't even handle a few Kett on her planet without outside help. And if you side with Reyes it's even more clear that the majority of her people despised her. I wouldn't be surprised if Kadara port ends up belonging to Reyes post-game regardless of our decision. So yes, I want Reyes as a squadmate. I did not romance him (yet - but I'll begin a second playthrough where I do as soon as we get a patch for some of the bugs), but found his friendship arc pretty awesome. And he's such a great, complex character that could have some really interesting relationships with our existing crew. And I'd love to know more about his past - like, I love the idea that he might've been some loser nobody with a boring job back in the Milky Way. She demands protection fees from you for settling the outpost on the planet? Unacceptable. It's her who should pay me for working my ass off to make the planet livable. Lol.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 31, 2017 7:03:23 GMT
Also, early angara concepts are so... So. Kinda wish they took one of them instead of going "cute squid kitty" look. The fourth one is 10/10. In a way, I'm glad they didn't use these for angara because if our male angara LI looked like this but was straight, my salt would be way too high.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 31, 2017 2:28:28 GMT
Rorik the Krogan is adorbs, and the first time I've ever, EVER come close to understanding anyone's desire for a kromance. I prefer Vorn myself. He's adorable (for a krogan).
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