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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 18:09:22 GMT
if i ever decide to go his route, im definetely saying no, i hope it wont upset him much, but damn they just started dating and already planning babies? i have enough baby boomers around me in real life But see, they tried to be progressive! Two gay-men having a baby, so modern! It's like they tried to stuff all possible token-ism to one Gil so he would placate everyone. I wonder they didn't make him trans too, just for convenience. It is hip to have a trans character, or so I've heard. (I can say that because I'm trans hah). I'm cool with that as long as his first line is 'Hi. I'm trans. I used to be Gillian.'
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 18:05:51 GMT
So there is some surrogate mother thing going on? I fucking hate even the idea, and I should think that's an awesome romance? And Jaal is having a harem (not that I could romance him anyway so ladies can keep him and his harem thxbye), and Reyes is some dude we don't even know if there is a romance or if they are just playing paddy cakes? It's not just that. Basically the whole romance involves him talking about his friend who's a fertility scientist of some kind and building to him eventually suggesting he give her his sperm and asking you to be a big gay family with her. So even if you say no in the end, that's the plot of the romance.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 17:54:05 GMT
So I heard on this other thread that apparently Sara's romance with Liam is also lacking a lot when compared to Scott's And Cora's. I didn't manage to find the vid about Liam's romance though, it doesn't seem like he's that popular ? Still kinda sad if they spent their whole budget on Cora and Peebee. There actually aren't any f/f romances that appeal to me (which is shocking because while I play both male and female protags in BioWare games they're always gay gay gay), so I think I'm going to attempt Liam's and see if this is true. He seems like a nice guy, and there's no doubting he will have a decent amount of content overall because of his role in the team. But I'm curious to see whether he gets anything approaching what Cora got in terms of romance scene resources being thrown at him. It seems unthinkable that he wouldn't. Seriously, if the only scene getting such intense animation love is Cora's (Peebee's was stiff and awkward in comparison - not nearly as much polish technically speaking) - then it's not even just about the lack of m/m content any more, but about the blatant bias towards one default romance entirely created and coded for straight men to enjoy. That the gaters are angry about this is ridiculous. This game was made for them.You didn't expect that? They go on a fucking crusade at the mention of anything that they can even possibly blame on 'SJW's. This game LITERALLY HAS GAYS IN IT. MALE ONES. Of course they were going to fucking hate it, no matter how minor those themes are or how much content is geared to them in comparison. Wasn't a large part of gamergate's totally not contrived justifications fighting against 'censorship' and content being altered to pander to a certain group? I wonder if they know that that works both ways and they're fucking hypocrites or if they're legit too fucking retarded to understand that.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 17:48:43 GMT
I'm extra super excited to hear what they have to say about this. It's just like... what could they possible say to make it better? They... can't, really. They need actions, not words. But I'm still open to hear them out on what went wrong, or if they even think anything went wrong. I watched Gil's Jill's romance and Gil's sex scene was decent. They still haven't been able to animate kisses well, though. I liked the aftermath scene, that was well done, at least. Still completely uninterested in Gil's Jill's romance, and I hate how important of a role Jill plays in it. Fixed that for you.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 16:13:33 GMT
Is there a more detailed guide for romances? Like the lock in points, I know where Gil's is but what's Reyes'? Where's Gil's lock in point? It's after his best friend Jill checks your resume and interviews you, finally declaring you suitable. You are then permitted to romance him as his best friend Jill oversees. Then Liara shows up and you embrace eternity.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 15:54:42 GMT
So, finally installing my game. Is it as shit as people say, or is it actually ok? Not that I really care about much other than romances at this point I personally found the ten hour trial a slog and I was actually convinced Jaal was bi then so it had nothing to do with negative biases.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 15:48:50 GMT
Just goes to show that they really don't seem to give too much of a fuck about gay representation in general (at least not while working on this game) and the only reason why gay women are better off than gay men is that straight guys like lesbians. Our course is clear, instead of letter campaign, we must convince straight guys to like gay sex. From what I can tell, many already do but can't admit it.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 15:41:53 GMT
Lawd, keep it ambiguous. Especially in ME, where you know they're gonna automatically make the protagonist a top because if their protagonist is gonna be allowed to be homo he's at the very least gonna be the MAAAYUN! A clever animator would be able to do something sensual and detailed while keeping what's going into where ambiguous. I wouldn't mind my male Inquisitor topping Blackwall or Cullen, just saying. Just take Cullen and let me be Blackwall's bitch.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 15:40:50 GMT
ian was answering questions an hour ago and successfully ignored all tweets with concerns about m/m options. typical. You're kidding, right? Embarrassing. Not to mention all that does is further reinforce that they KNEW what they were doing was not on.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 15:37:48 GMT
Maybe making a gay scene exclusive for male characters? i feel like they spend 40 millions dollars on that Cora's scene alone. Is it really asking too much for a gay companion? I would want a game that designed a bisexual character with no straight girls in mind. All of their bi options are seem to be straight and then modified for gay guys. Even Cullen even if he was intended to be bi was made with straight girls first then the run out of time and can't add it in, Kaidan talking about girls all the time while being penetrated. I don't think it's too much to ask to make an actual bisexual instead of a playersexual character. Bioware has never made a bisexual, they only make a playersexual character when almost all that character talks about is the women. Genuine question about that -- how would people feel about being forced into a role in a sex scene? I remember that there was some blowback against Bull because he was "masc4masc dom top" type and the Inquisitor had to be submissive to him in the romance. Some people (both male and female, but it's a little different for gay guys, I think) got a little bristly about it. Similar with how your elf Warden HAD to be a bottom in DA:O because they are twinks and twinks are all bottoms, I guess? If they were going to animate a sex scene for gay guys, it would be hard to do it well and leave it ambiguous about roles. And there's NO WAY they'll do two versions to allow us to pick. So what do you (plural, but certainly you bloodofthefirst ) think would be best to do here? Force you into a role? Try to make it ambiguous? For me, I'm genuinely unsure how I feel about it. Like I just assume Gil is a big ol' bottom because of how he's leaning over the rail sticking his ass up in the air whenever Scott comes through. So if they actually DID have a romance and Scott was the bottom, would that matter? I don't think so. Is this conversation to graphic? It feels relevant, but I don't want to get too crazy and paint this thread all blue. Lawd, keep it ambiguous. Especially in ME, where you know they're gonna automatically make the protagonist a top because if their protagonist is gonna be allowed to be homo he's at the very least gonna be the MAAAYUN! A clever animator would be able to do something sensual and detailed while keeping what's going into where ambiguous.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 15:12:30 GMT
- At least two m/m LI's.
- At least one squadmate m/m LI.
- At least one alien m/m LI.
Personal preferences aside, that is all I really want. Bonus points if one of the male LI's is exclusive. All of the male LI's in Andromeda having the option to be "friends with benefits" while there three female LI's that are only exclusive is a bit of an unfortunate implication. Yeah, I've been kind of waiting for the backlash over that one to hit. I thought for sure it would hit when Biofan said that he did the full romances for both Gil and Reyes in the same playthrough, but everyone got all worked up over the fact that they don't acknowledge it that it got lost in the shuffle. But, yeah, this is also another example of where implicit bias has surfaced. Literally NONE of the m/m options require you to commit to them. Yikes. I was pissed off about that because it's a stereotype that I have genuinely had to deal with in real life, but at this point it's just another turd in the sandbox. Plus as soon as I saw the tone of the Gil/Scott flirtation I pretty much expected this to be the case. Gays are all sluts, obviously.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 15:05:59 GMT
So, in an attempt to turn course in this thread -- What specific changes would we like to see if ME:A should get a sequel? Personally, I would like to see m/m options at least being equal to the next lowest orientation. For example, in this case, I'd be happy if we had a third option like straight gals. I am also very much annoyed with the lack of a gaylien option for guys. So I want to see an alien -- turian, quarian, salarian (personally, I'm not really into drell or angara, but I'd be fine with that if we at least got something). And it is absolutely mandatory for us to a squad romance. Finally, I really really want there to be an actual sex scene. It doesn't need to be graphic - it can be ME1 style. With some nudity for us. Why is all of the male nudity in the Straight Scott romances? That's my wishlist for a potential sequel. I want a solid CC, expansive roleplay dialogue options that take into account your background and combat specialisations (ala DA:I), a return of tactical pause, a renewed focus on tight, linear storytelling rather than huge unfocused areas and finally a m/m romance option that is both on the squad and an important plot character first and foremost.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 14:56:34 GMT
Isn't being bitter and schadenfreude bit normal response though. Not logical and stuff. Childish I guess, I was really childish as well as being angry at DAI getting GOTY. This damn game and devs that wronged me so have gotten this. For game that is such mess. But I'd say it's quite humanly response. But maybe I was just being unreasonable with that one It's true though, that if ME:A does badly, there is less change for new Mass Effect. That could do better. Not sure if it would, but it could. I am not debating, that it is a normal response. But in my oppinion this is an overreaction. And I am sorry to say this, but I am beginning to understand, why Bioware closed the forums. There is more war and bitterness going around that something that is actually productive at this point. It's a shame that something that is lable "The Character Romance thread (Official)" has turned into a war for gay rights almost exclusively. People are almost at the point of bullying each other. I am all for gay rights and I get the dissapointment, but this level of energy would be better spend on creating positive change, rather than just wanting destruction on one company. I don't mean to make anyones regrets and anger seem like they are not valid, but there are better ways of going about this. Probably because everyone else is off enjoying the game which includes fully fledged romances for them. Also, to add to your other statements; everyone here is just venting their frustrations from what is a fresh event, as you well know. Nobody here actually has the power to destroy Bioware. The game (and company) will sink or swim based on it's merits. Your crusade is not necessary.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 14:32:27 GMT
you know, Asari, Turians, etc. don't actually speak english. Omni tools have real time translation software. That's the cop out they used in the past to explain language. For established languages. There is no basis for the Angaran translations. Unless, indeed, they've been in contact with the exiles and everyone's translator got a software update or some bullshit.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 14:28:18 GMT
Casey Hudson? Amazing? Wow, people are really ignorant. Who else did people think was responsible for the ending? As far as anyone knows, Hudson, who scrapped Drew's entire Dark Energy plotline in favor of his own stupid Starchild/Synthesis vision which betrayed and defecated on every theme of Mass Effect that made it great. Does anyone know the full extent of Drew's original dark energy plot? The snippets I've gotten sound way more interesting than what we ended up with.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 14:20:37 GMT
Any word on Dr. Lexi? *still hopes* I've seen so many conflicting bits of information. The day they decided to hire Natalie Dormer and not make her a romance was Questionable Decision Day. It was a Tuesday. Because as we're seeing with the current situation, every day is at BioWare is Questionable Decision Day. That felt like trolling. It was quite bizarre. I know not every 'attractive' female voice actor should automatically be made into a romance but she's a very high profile, very desired woman right now. Going out of your way to hire her and market her involvement and then putting her in a non-romantic supporting role (which involves her literally telling your character you're not her type because you're her patient and then pursuing another one of her patients) was a somewhat shady and very odd decision. As an aside: does anyone tech savvy know if it's costly or time consuming to scan faces? It seems like Suvi, Lexi and Gil all had good candidates for face scans (Suvi even looks like her VA to a large extent) yet they had CC faces.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 14:15:16 GMT
I just think in 2017 people expect more out of M/M romances than in 2012. Times have changed quickly. As in, they expect at least one non-token, plot relevant character. Fuckin' entitled gays, man.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 14:07:31 GMT
The game getting poor reviews is only a good thing in this instance if those reviews are the direct result of the skewed romance options. Otherwise it means nothing. And while I understand being upset about Jaal, wanting the entire game (and potentially, the entire franchise) to crash and burn based on one characters sexuality is remarkably petty and narrow-minded. I know that you would be singing the games praises and forgiving all of it's flaws if Jaal was bi, and you know it too. To praise the fact that we may never see any sequels or romance options from the Mass Effect universe ever again is incredibly short sighted. I was actually providing negative critical feedback in the early access feedback thread back when I was certain Jaal was bi because I did not enjoy my experience for multiple reasons not at all related to romance. The game is getting some of the poorest reviews Bioware has ever gotten for a reason. I would most certainly NOT be singing it's praises if Jaal was bi, I just wouldn't feel personally insulted by it's practices.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 13:53:06 GMT
3.8 for PS4... I... feel... nothing. I literally don't care. Splitting time between my male human noble in DAO and beautiful Sheploo in ME1. I miss actual Mass Effect. Kaidan, Liara, Garrus, Tali my babies I've missed you And don't even get me started on Zevran. DA:O gives you NO OPTION if you want to be gay. You have to romance Zevran. And he's gated behind multiple dialogue "no homo" checks which is incredibly insulting. Then he spends the majority of the game hitting on women in front of you if you are in a romance with him. Yeah, go watch the footage about your boyfriend going on and on and on about Wynne's tits right in front of you and then come back and tell me how awesome DA:O is again. You also have to act like you're into him constantly talking about being a mass murderer and how fun it is to be a mass murderer to get his romance. Sadly, Alistair just Didn't Make Sense. Yes I'm still pissed about Alistair.
Edit for correct technical terminology: Serial killer.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 13:47:05 GMT
Yeah, the only way we've been able to get any responses have been through more indirect questioning. They obviously don't want to discuss the issue. The romances were kept secret so they wouldn't have to talk about it before the release. Now they still won't talk about it. Except all the f/f and straight romances that they were happy to tease constantly. That is what makes their motivations really obvious to me. Why did they try to hide the m/m content under constant claims of romances being 'saved for release' and yet were teasing all the other romances and orientations? They didn't want the homophobic/gamergate SJW backlash from there just BEING m/m content marketed and they were also aware of the disparity of both quality and quantity in m/m and didn't want to reveal that before release either.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 13:37:07 GMT
This thread is about romances. Not the metacritic scores. If you want to discuss those, can you take them to an appropriate thread, please? It's relevant because it relates to the schadenfreude the gays are feeling right now.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 13:30:55 GMT
weird its like trying to appeal to homophobes by minimizing the lgbt presense doesnt actually workCorrection; minimizing G presence.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 13:27:05 GMT
Reading some of the Metacritic reviews from players are hilarious. One " SJW, feminists and transsexuals have ruined Mass Effect. Expletive this game and expletive BioWare" Another "Bad CC, no equal balance of LIs on squad, and awful cheesey righting. Expletive this game" Lol lol lol Translation; "I didn't actually play through the game. I just, ironically and hypocritically, have a gender identity based agenda that I saw an opportunity to spread and don't have the self awareness to realise that I am, in fact, also an SJW, just for a different group of people." Bioware, on the off chance that you're reading this: These are the fucktards you chose to appeal to. And they hate you anyway. Good job.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 12:32:36 GMT
As Biofan said, and I agree, while seemingly the short end of the stick, it's a far cry from an anti-gay agenda. It's not anti-gay in the sense that they're actively trying to upset and offend gay men. Moreso it's coming across that they just aren't willing to go to bat for gay men and would rather try and appease them with lesser content than everyone else while making said content so insignificant as to not piss off gamergate/red pill/homophobe types. Basically, they seem more bothered about backlash against m/m content than they do supporting their gay male fans.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 12:28:24 GMT
I'm wondering how many people here have actually tried the GIl/Reyes romance before complaining :')) Datamines are datamines, folks! Also, yes, Steve's romanced sucked in ME3, but Cullen's and Josephine's were pretty good in Inquisition! I've watched the Gil romance in it's entirety. It (in my opinion) sucks. It's weird, badly paced soap opera cringe all based around an end game that feels more about Gil's fag hag Jill than it does about Gil himself and putting the player in one big gay family with you, Gil and his hag. It feels like it doesn't even belong in a mass effect game. He's a token character if there ever was one. I've not watched the Reyes stuff but it's been reported that it doesn't really have a proper ending, no sex scene, and of course he's not even on the ship so there's simply no way he's on par with a squadmate and likely not even a crewmate.
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