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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 10, 2017 23:13:06 GMT
The believable line came off to me like " it would be unrealistic to make our main important characters (unless they are asari) gay/bi so we have created a bunch of side characters to adress balence" Hopefully I am wrong and it's just my personal bias. Treynor and Cortez were a step in the right direction for the series but they still weren't a fix, this is not how relationships work. You don't just have two random gay underlings at work to address balance and then a bunch of smaller characters who will just date anyone. That's not realistic at all. I really hope this isn't the case. Same, I got the same vibe. If this is true I have seriously lost most of my respect for the writers, wow... Also, if it's true and they use that "we aim to be inclusive for our fans" line in the future again, I'm gonna rip them a new one. I'm not gonna pat them on the back for this half assed shit, I'll just play FO4 where I can romance everybody without having to be reminded all the time that my poor gay ass is a minority, that no one gives a shit about. Stuck in a mostly homophobe environment, I (and a lot of other queer people) face that reminder every single day. Why the fuck would I want to see that again in a videogame? I don't play games for realism. Is it more realistic for a Dragon Age game to have more queer characters, than one about a sci-fi future? Gimme a break lmao. They shoot themselves in their own leg, if they keep preaching about how "inclusive" their games are. How can you say that and then act surprised when actual queer people have complaints? Hopefully it's not true but eh... I am ready to be disappointed. Other interpretations make sense to so I don't want to just assume that, but still the only realism is whether or not a character would enter into a romance with a character in your position, or with your personality ect. bringing their preferences into it is a bad idea. It's always gonna come off that way to some people if that isn't what you mean. Anyway, try not to take this personally. Even if they do let you down.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 10, 2017 22:53:09 GMT
I don't support Quotas either, even if that means everyone doesn't get the romances they want. I would rather one well written lgbt+ character who isn't a massive stereotype or partially there to fill a quota than equal options for every orientation.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 10, 2017 22:24:57 GMT
The believable line came off to me like "it would be unrealistic to make our main important characters (unless they are asari) gay/bi so we have created a bunch of side characters to adress balence"
Hopefully I am wrong and it's just my personal bias. Treynor and Cortez were a step in the right direction for the series but they still weren't a fix, this is not how relationships work. You don't just have two random gay underlings at work to address balance and then a bunch of smaller characters who will just date anyone. That's not realistic at all. I really hope this isn't the case.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 10, 2017 22:04:15 GMT
Liam is adorable, trying not to be too crushed when he turns out to be straight or unromancable. We can still be buds.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 10, 2017 20:01:02 GMT
Liam is the only character I want to romance as Male Ryder, i'm still pretty sure this isn't happening tho. I'll probably play again as a female Ryder eventually, tho I dunno who i'd pair her with yet. Need to know the options. Maybe Vetra? Cora? Peebee? (if she isn't as irritating as she seems)
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 10, 2017 19:06:23 GMT
Liam is adorable.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 10, 2017 15:15:31 GMT
I love how Bioware is supposedly pandering to the gays and the womenz by having most of it's trailers featuring the white male protag and all the babes he can bang. Not that I take issue with that, cool trailer overall. Sara's animations are still bad tho. It's just the reality hitting you. You can hype up LGBTWHATEVER romances on social media and whatnot, but at the end of the day when you release an AAA game you want to pander to the biggest target demographic. Which are the white cishet devils (presumably in their teens and fresh off a Battlefield match). That's what I was saying, and I have no problem with it. Mass Effect probably gets most of it's sales from the bro shooter crowd anyway. Tho I could be wrong about that I have no actual stats. It's just funny to me how adding options for other people at all or talking about it at all is seen as pandering, but actual pandering in the trailers is fine. Like it is fine, it's business but still it's not the narrative about bioware being pushed.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 10, 2017 15:04:27 GMT
I love how Bioware is supposedly pandering to the gays and the womenz by having most of it's trailers featuring the white male protag and all the babes he can bang. Not that I take issue with that, cool trailer overall. Sara's animations are still bad tho.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 9, 2017 0:56:11 GMT
Oh yeah, the rank differences thing is what I am thinking of.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 9, 2017 0:24:55 GMT
I remember someone saying that Liam found it awkward or something when they flirted with him woth Sera. So maybe Liam just isn't into casual stuff?
I'll see if I can find it. Not getting my hopes up again tho, I refuse.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 9, 2017 0:06:35 GMT
Yeah DA:I's animations were fine outside of a few specific cases and that could be seen in the trailers and pre released footage. There weren't cut scenes for most minor characters tho and Inquisition had other issues like that everything clipped through everything in cut scenes.
Still I have seen some videos where they look acceptable and others where they look terrible. Like the video of the start of the game, most of the animations were ok, not amazing (Lexi was a bit robotic and pulled some odd faces) but not awful. That tour of the nexus video tho, those npc's looked so lifeless. :/
I'm assuming there will be improvements, the patch may fix stuff like Lexi's funny faces but I do not expect animations to suddenly be amazing.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 8, 2017 1:35:45 GMT
Yeah while it's fine to vent frustrations and raise concerns try to be respectful if you want the devs to listen. This is someone's work we are being critical of and I doubt any Bioware dev set out to deliberately make any group feel left out or mislead.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 8, 2017 1:32:17 GMT
Again I never said that Bioware romances didn't have issues, just that they were a lot more than a few conversations that had little to no impact on the rest of the game or even the character you are romancing.
I really liked Aveline but I could not stand Carver and Sera was just annoying mostly. Personally I think Aveline being an older more experienced character is what helped her have more depth than Carver or Sera. She was as stubborn and disagreeable as them at times but she had been through a lot and she was no idiot, you could understand her attitude. Carver and Sera were just brats.
I don't mind a character having bad traits or even being kind of unlikable, Morrigan, Cassandra and Vivian were all also characters I loved. Hopefully Liam will be a well rounded character and not just there to be disagreeable, or there to make childish jokes.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 7, 2017 22:51:46 GMT
Well they should probably release less buggy cut scenes. Like especially if the same scene shows up in another video a week later looking a lot better coz they squashed most of the bugs, why would you ever release the earlier build? All it does is generate a bunch of criticism.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 7, 2017 22:35:50 GMT
A lot of the characters I am hoping get some tweaks to their design before the game ships but Liam I hope stays as we have seen him in recent trailers/gameplay footage. He's the most interesting looking character to me. Doesn't look like a boy band member but hasnt been hit with the ugly stick either. Like obviously the way he looks doesn't matter that much but we don't have much to go on. Already so much amazing fan art tho.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 7, 2017 22:30:35 GMT
I don't really understand how this argument even makes sense to you but I don't think we are going to agree and I don't want to continue to derail this thread, so back to Liam!
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 7, 2017 22:16:37 GMT
Fallout 4's romance plots are all shallow and dull Macready and Danse are not "stereotypically gay" because they were not written to be gay, or even to be bi. They are the dreaded playersexual. Somehow Bethesda doesn't get the same hate that bioware got for doing this. Maybe because nobody really takes the writing that seriously in Bethesda games. but yeah, I don't see how you can say they did gay/bi characters right when those characters were not written to be gay/bi men. Huh? I don't get how you can call Fallout 4's romances shallow but pretend Bioware's has been better. They've ALL been shallow. Even the Liara romance, a character who was practically shoved down our throats had a romance that just seemed like an after thought. You always felt that you weren't really a big deal to Liara lol. She would briefly get romantic in that stoic way in the middle of discussing the end of the world, and that was pretty much Liara's romance. Kaidan, practically spent to entire games doubting you. Then up and decides he's head over heels for you. If I can say one thing atleast in the Fallout 4 romances you feel like the character is genuinely inlove with you. MacCready's romance discussion for example was overall deeper than any of the recent romance talks in Bioware's titles. Bioware has never done romance well. Noone takes Bethesda's writing seriously? Then why are people still to this day making hour long videos discussing the lore and details of even the smallest and most insignificant locations and characters from a now 2 year old game. The factions alone are written better than the entire plot of DAI. Except for the Minutemen, they suck. Fallout four's romances literally consist of a handful of short flirt speech checks that if you succeed at all of them you eventually get to say you love each other or whatever. Like that is it. Even the romances you can have with Samara or Scout Harding are deeper than that. None of the romances in fallout four have much of an effect outside of those conversations either, they change the way the characters address you a little bit and you get a perk. Yeah sure that'sd so much deeper than Liara or Kaidan, I never even said that bioware romances were like amazing or whatever but they aren't just a handful of speech checks. I was not referring to the lore, I was referring to the actual writing of the game, specifically the writing of the characters. It's always been a bit shallow and it's only gotten worse.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 7, 2017 21:54:29 GMT
Fallout 4's romance plots are all shallow and dull Macready and Danse are not "stereotypically gay" because they were not written to be gay bi. They are the dreaded playersexual. Somehow Bethesda doesn't get the same hate that bioware got for doing this. Maybe because nobody really takes the writing that seriously in Bethesda games.
but yeah, I don't see how you can say they did gay/bi characters right when those characters were not written to be gay/bi men.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 7, 2017 21:28:10 GMT
Liam is still probably the companion that interests me most, next to vetra.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 7, 2017 17:33:28 GMT
Not surprised at all but still disappointed, Gil sounds like he is a character written to be fan service for gay men (he's even voiced by an actor famous for playing a gay man). I guess we know very little about him tho, maybe he's cool. Jaal doesn't really interest me atm but again we know very little so meh, idk.
I don't actually play ME for romances anyway, so it's not really a big deal. I just was pretty sure they would never make Liam gay or Bi because he is supposed to be like your "bro" and I am disappointed that I was right about that.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 7, 2017 2:28:05 GMT
Lol, the fact that this kind of thing is concerning to some people is just sad. Why does it even matter?
I mean, I wouldn't put it past Bioware to add more female characters in large roles for political reasons but so what? It's their game, if they want more women in leadership roles in their game then why shouldn't they do that?
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 5, 2017 18:00:26 GMT
Want to romance Liam with a dude but this is unlikely isn't it? :/
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