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Post by mikeymoonshine on Aug 4, 2017 13:46:32 GMT
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Two reasons. (a) SIMS is a simulation game. It's a perfect medium (imo) to explore human interactions, work places, careers, mores, romances... etc. ( I buy a game to play a game not to play at romancing a digital pixel or someone else's idea of a romantic relationship with a game character. Now, Bio has said they create stories and deep characters that you can "...fall in love with...". Really? That is just marketing BS. But, hey, that is my pov. Oh, this old song. "I play games for the parts I like, not the parts I don't like!" And it's not as if science fiction has ever explored human interaction and mores before. Lol. Have to agree, romance and relationships are part of the plot of many games, most of them it isn't even optional. Why in this case is it a problem that should only be tackled in specific kinds of games? Or if this is another "there shouldn't be any romances/remove romances from Bioware games" kinda thing I think that ship has sailed. The romances seem to be here to stay.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Aug 2, 2017 21:15:59 GMT
This thread seems messy, from what I've seen of the last few pages. Anyway I disagree, Me3 added gay romances to a series that had non outside of Liara and a few other minor female on female encounters. So it was certainly progress but the Dragon Age series had already done better in that area and then Inquisition came along and did an awful lot better. Anromeda felt like it was just going back to what they did in earlier ME games. The same sex characters were not any of the important ones, they were side characters who were less important and had less work put into them and their romance arcs (besides asari). The bisexual characters had romance scenes and dialogue that were obviously designed for straight characters and we all know how bad some of those scenes were with a ryder of the same sex. I do give them a lot of credit though for improving some of that content and adding in a whole new romance arc to the game with Jaal. I'm hoping in future to see less stereotypical lgbt characters who don't come off as though they are just there to be "the gay character" or whatever. I'm not too worried about DA4 even with Gaider gone that team is more experienced with writing lgbt characters.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Aug 2, 2017 19:55:20 GMT
While some of the professional reviews were harsh most of them were pretty fair.
Obviously the trolls on metacritic who posted day one user reviews had not even played it.
I do think people were too harsh when it came to bugs (I don't mean the facial amimation mess) so many minor bugs and glitches that didn't happen often or never happened to some people (I ran into very few bugs myself) and didn't break the game were blown massively out of proportion. This is a semi open world game, they ALWAYS release with a lot of bugs. Inquisition had worse bugs than this on release, fallout 4 and skyrim had massive issues with bugs. The witcher 3 that Bioware games are constantly compared to was released in a far worse state when it came to bugs. So yeah, while seeing videos of characters in a T pose and the running animation glitch I've seen happen in several other games was funny the first few times it got annoying. It's an unfair criticism.
I also think they did better with side quests than inquisition and few people seem to have realised that. Yes there is still tonns of busy work but that was pretty much all there was in inquisition and even the more detailed side quests didn't have cut scenes or choices really in inquisition. Only the companion quests did. This game has several more detailed side plots, they aren't amazing but they are an improvement over Bioware's last game.
They also patched the worst of the animation issues and kept all of their promises on what improvements they were going to do but certain nay sayers act like that hasn't happened.
Other than that I think the game deserves most of the criticism. Inquisition was full of fetch quests and the main story was full of plot holes and very silly in places but it still gave you a cast of characters to actually care about and story moments that felt important. Andromeda had very little of that in my opinion. I did enjoy the game but I don't feel like I want to play it again any time soon.
I'm still not convinced the stuff with Montreal is entirely because of this game. Like it seems like an idea that has been in the works for a while.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 14, 2017 1:12:12 GMT
Now that the patches have fixed some of the worst issues I would say yes but I would try getting it on sale. It's fun in places but it's too grindy for me to really love it.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 14, 2017 0:51:30 GMT
I'm probably not buying either anyway, like maybe if they are really good I guess but even then neither is the kind of game I usually play (unless Anthem is completely different to how it looks).
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 14, 2017 0:47:31 GMT
I mean it's pretty obvious that ME got shafted for this game, it would most likely have been better if Edmonton had made it but they were making this. Then again I've always been more of a DA fan anyway so if DA4 is good I will be happy enough. I might even try this if it has a decent single player mode with a good plot and characters.
So no I don't feel abandoned but I am concerned, Bioware does not have to only ever make single player rpgs but if they continue to be shafted for MP games then well that is in a way abandoning the fans of those games, so we will see.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 1:38:12 GMT
I said already that I would wait and see how this and DA4 turn out as have others who express the same concerns. This game is obviously focused on MP and exploration, I doubt the single player will be as good or that the story will be as good or as long as it would be in a single player focused game. It would be a pretty amazing feat if it was. My concern is that the trajectory of Bioware, away from what made them successful and beloved. All their games have exploration now because that made a lot of money for Bethesda, all their games have multiplayer now for the micro transactions. Edmonton could have made Andromeda but they were making this instead. It's just a bit worrying to me, My favourite Bioware games are Origins, DA2 and KOTOR. Obviously they have to change with the times and use new technologies but that doesn't have to mean abandoning everything that made them great to chase the success of other studios. Well i remember a time where me and my brother created a band of heroes together in Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 and beat those games in co-op, and it was awesome. Later came Neverwinter Nights and offered the same. It is a feature i've missed dearly in Bioware games for many years. So i am actually stoked about that part. As for story? I am not worried. This game has a dedicated writing team, and there is no way in hell Bioware would ever step away from doing a cinematic and engaging story. If they do, i will eat my hat live on Twitch. I don't own one, so i will have to buy one. I get that people are wary, but i see it more as a return to roots then "hur dur copy other games" That is just me though. Let's see what Bethesda announces later. Like that's cool and everyone but all those times someone at Bioware has outright said that they are taking inspiration from other games makes me think it's more about that, and we are talking about a very different kind of co-op here. Also look at the animations in that game, they are amazing. This most likely means the story will be shorter more scripted and linear. Maybe it will still be good though and maybe DA4 will be more what I am looking for from Bioware. We can all hope.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 1:19:10 GMT
Witcher 3 was successful no MP, also the same could be said of pretty much everything Bethesda does. Bethesda has created whole new studio and poured hundreds of millions to create a TES MMO. Very popular and successful I might add - I know, I've been playing it since 2014. Yes I am aware other studios do MP as well. Really? So can single player rpgs make money or can't they? Because I think we have established they can even in the current year. I KNOW. Again it's the trajectory I am concerned with not the existence of multiplayer. I have explained this several times in this thread already.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 1:11:01 GMT
True it is because they supposedly want to do everything with that game. I am not saying a good single player game cannot also have multiplayer. I am saying Bioware seems to be sacrificing single player more and more so they can focus on multiplayer. Again what is the issue as in the information we know right now? I said already that I would wait and see how this and DA4 turn out as have others who express the same concerns. This game is obviously focused on MP and exploration, I doubt the single player will be as good or that the story will be as good or as long as it would be in a single player focused game. It would be a pretty amazing feat if it was. My concern is that the trajectory of Bioware, away from what made them successful and beloved. All their games have exploration now because that made a lot of money for Bethesda, all their games have multiplayer now for the micro transactions. Edmonton could have made Andromeda but they were making this instead. It's just a bit worrying to me, My favourite Bioware games are Origins, DA2 and KOTOR. Obviously they have to change with the times and use new technologies but that doesn't have to mean abandoning everything that made them great to chase the success of other studios.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 0:56:55 GMT
Isn't Cyberpunk rumored to have multiplayer aswell? Also Bethesda is making a fremium game, or so the rumor says. The industry is changing boys and girls, not sure if its for the better, yet. True it is because they supposedly want to do everything with that game. I am not saying a good single player game cannot also have multiplayer. I am saying Bioware seems to be sacrificing single player more and more so they can focus on multiplayer.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 0:49:54 GMT
The issue is Bioware is a studio who are famous for making some of the most beloved single player rpgs ever, and now every game they make has MP with micro transactions because of EA. They turned the KOTOR series into an MMO rather than making KOTOR3 and they gave their flagship series to a support studio (we all know how that turned out) so their main studio could make this MP focused game instead that is very obviously trying to cash in on the destiny market. So as pretty as the game is I am a little worried that this is just another step away from what made me a fan of their games in the first place. It's quite transparent. RPGs just don't make enough money to justify their long development times. This is a prime reason why MEA MP is a big deal. That's where the money will come from. BioWare needs to justify its development costs and as a result is being directed to make some popular multiplayer games with longevity. In short, if you want good SP games, you'll have to put up with MP. Witcher 3 was successful no MP, also the same could be said of pretty much everything Bethesda does. All of Bioware's previous games have made money too. They just don't make as much as some always online game with micro transactions. Bioware used to make the games they wanted to make but thanks to EA there is a much bigger focus on maximising profits. That's the problem with being owned by a big company like EA. I still have CDPR and Obsidian I guess even if I lose Bioware, but neither of them are quite what Bioware used to be, sadly.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 0:35:36 GMT
The issue is Bioware is a studio who are famous for making some of the most beloved single player rpgs ever, and now every game they make has MP with micro transactions because of EA. They turned the KOTOR series into an MMO rather than making KOTOR3 and they gave their flagship series to a support studio (we all know how that turned out) so their main studio could make this MP focused game instead that is very obviously trying to cash in on the destiny market.
So as pretty as the game is I am a little worried that this is just another step away from what made me a fan of their games in the first place.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 12, 2017 0:00:03 GMT
Well it looked really nice, I dunno why Andromeda couldn't look like that but I share the hate for MP. Well Anthem is being made for the XBOX X(it's what the EA speaker said)in mind so it should have clear graphical improvements over anything else Bioware has done. Tbh I think the issues with Andromeda had more to do with certain things not getting enough attention. Like there are some really nice textures in the game especially for some of the environments but the npcs and many of the creatures in the game looked pretty bad in comparison. Anthem also probably doesn't have nearly as many cut scenes and npcs to talk to.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 11, 2017 23:50:03 GMT
Well it looked really nice, I dunno why Andromeda couldn't look like that but I share the hate for MP.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 11, 2017 16:56:30 GMT
Yet the Witcher series is massively successful and put the studio on the map, I don't even know why you are still arguing. You have a preference for making your own character and having more roleplaying options. I share that preference (as long as it doesn't come at the expense of the story) but games that do different things can still be very good and the witcher games are an example of this. Plus I think a big part of the reason they made the Witcher games in the first place was because they wanted to make a game series about that world and that character, continuing his story. yes. It shows people don't need role playing in RPGs and just want cool moments and power fantasies. They don't want to make cool unique characters they just to play gruff bad ass with no personality for 2 games. Ok I am just going to quote myself here. Why are we having this discussion? It doesn't have anything to do the post I made that you responded to. It's just you ranting about power fantasies. If you don't like the main character of the Witcher series and see him as nothing but a "gruff badass" then don't play those games. It's really not difficult.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 11, 2017 16:44:24 GMT
So far this seems just really derivative of other games, most of which aren't even all that good. Didn't someone at EA say this wasn't an rpg? So if it has no RPGing at all, isn't plot heavy, is always online mp kinda thing ect like I think it is I don't see myself buying it. This really doesn't seem like my cup of tea at all but I guess i'll wait for more info.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 11, 2017 15:40:20 GMT
Geralt is a character from a book series who has a specific look, personality, personal history ect. Shepard wasn't, Shepard was designed to be customiseable so no, not much of a counterpoint at all. they really did not need to do that. People like making their own character. Yet the Witcher series is massively successful and put the studio on the map, I don't even know why you are still arguing. You have a preference for making your own character and having more roleplaying options. I share that preference (as long as it doesn't come at the expense of the story) but games that do different things can still be very good and the witcher games are an example of this. Plus I think a big part of the reason they made the Witcher games in the first place was because they wanted to make a game series about that world and that character, continuing his story.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 9, 2017 22:17:21 GMT
That doesn't really address my point. I don't care if something is a "male power fantasy" or not. I also prefer creating my own character, the witcher trilogy is about Geralt tho, that's kind of the whole point of it. Cyberpunk2077 will have a character creator, other future CDPR games may also, who knows. Me 1-3 is about Shepard but I hand way more freedom with Shepard's developmentioned which a major counter point to the "Witcher is about geralt" excuse. Geralt is a character from a book series who has a specific look, personality, personal history ect. Shepard wasn't, Shepard was designed to be customiseable so no, not much of a counterpoint at all.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 9, 2017 22:14:53 GMT
I don't really care about how pale they are, they are just much nicer looking than most of the others. As far as the head shape and facial features goes? Yeah I find the new Sara at least to be very nice. I suppose opinions vary on the new Scott. Yeah the female is nice, anyway I was able to change my Scott's complexion to something a bit nicer so I am happy enough
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 9, 2017 15:56:34 GMT
I'm sorry but isn't it kinda shitty to judge people like that? Make assumptions about them based on their interests, the way they behave, look, are perceived by others ect? I loved the Witcher 3 and I have no interest in women at all, even if I did that wouldn't be a big factor in whether or not I liked it. I imagine the same could be said for plenty of white hetero cis nerdy guys. Not everyone plays video games for some kind of "imagine if you were this cool guy" experience. Not that I am even saying there is something wrong with that it just seems like a silly thing to assume. Also Witcher 1 is the only one with the sex cards and I am pretty sure that is the only one that wasn't a huge success, at least compared to the other two. sorry but the mc of Witcher is pure male power fantasy. Not like I have an issue with it (looks at shepard) but I would like to actually make my character then be stuck with only one and being nice or mean. That doesn't really address my point. I don't care if something is a "male power fantasy" or not. I also prefer creating my own character, the witcher trilogy is about Geralt tho, that's kind of the whole point of it. Cyberpunk2077 will have a character creator, other future CDPR games may also, who knows.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 9, 2017 15:52:51 GMT
I guess we'll see. What I wanna know is, will the complexion for default Scott/Sara be available now? (pale) white people will be accomodated. The patch notes made it obvious. I don't really care about how pale they are, they are just much nicer looking than most of the others.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 7, 2017 22:39:21 GMT
They were never going to be able to fix all the problems with the animations and no Bioware game has good animations anyway. They fixed or at least improved the worst of it, that is a lot more than I ever expected them to do. I mean you really seem to just be projecting, like you aren't truly going to ever be happy with this game are you? I don't even blame you, it's a very disappointing game for many reasons but Bioware deserves some credit for making the fixes they said they would at least. But what do I know, I'm a gay person so obviously I just think I am the only thing that matters and I am never happy with everything. Well, at least you didn't launch into a diatribe about hatred of straight people. I'm projecting nothing. I think the game is all right, but my dislike of Andromeda has little to do with the whining of gay people. It just makes me hate the fanbase. I only hate BioWARE for catering to a demographic that does nothing but whine to disguise their thinly veiled hatred. yup totally not projecting, no projection here whatsoever.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 7, 2017 21:57:11 GMT
I guess we'll see. What I wanna know is, will the complexion for default Scott/Sara be available now?
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 7, 2017 21:51:23 GMT
I can understand why they did it: The gay audience is loud, annoying, and seems to think they are the only thing that matters. Now, instead of fixing bad animations like that weird way Ryder runs if you change direction in the middle of a run, they're retconning characters to appease a crowd that, by definition is never pleased. They were never going to be able to fix all the problems with the animations and no Bioware game has good animations anyway. They fixed or at least improved the worst of it, that is a lot more than I ever expected them to do. I mean you really seem to just be projecting, like you aren't truly going to ever be happy with this game are you? I don't even blame you, it's a very disappointing game for many reasons but Bioware deserves some credit for making the fixes they said they would at least. But what do I know, I'm a gay person so obviously I just think I am the only thing that matters and I am never happy with everything.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 7, 2017 21:38:05 GMT
And it made lots of money, meaning Bioware doesn't have to deal with these issues and make money. That's the point. made money by having someone do the hardest part-the writing for them. I mean yeah, white hetero cis self insert, gruffy dude who fucks all the ladies because they cant get preggers, no fucking wonder its popular with nerdy awkward dudes..can be someone, finally. and also collect raunchy images.. the world looks pretty nice, the combat is too much dancy dancy for me and it suffers from typical open world syndrome too, but people are more willing to overlook it because it caters to their desires.. well we are the same. what a surprise. I'm sorry but isn't it kinda shitty to judge people like that? Make assumptions about them based on their interests, the way they behave, look, are perceived by others ect? I loved the Witcher 3 and I have no interest in women at all, even if I did that wouldn't be a big factor in whether or not I liked it. I imagine the same could be said for plenty of white hetero cis nerdy guys. Not everyone plays video games for some kind of "imagine if you were this cool guy" experience. Not that I am even saying there is something wrong with that it just seems like a silly thing to assume. Also Witcher 1 is the only one with the sex cards and I am pretty sure that is the only one that wasn't a huge success, at least compared to the other two.
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