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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 8:46:33 GMT
You know I just don't get some people's arguments. It's so true and interesting how LGBT characters being present in a fictional universe is considered political, yet being strangely absent isn't. Saw a really important thread about this on Twitter, just thought I'd share. People generally tend to think of doing something as being more proactive and significant than not doing something, even though both can be equally meaningful.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 8:17:20 GMT
Weird find! Makes it even more annoying that Scott's stubble isn't an option. On an semi-related note, can you actually use this hair colouring? They also have a very quiet dialogue without any subtitles, but, erm, it sounds like guy is talking with Tom's voice and they're brother and sister? Hard to hear them, but def at least 90% similar to Tom's voice. Maybe this is yet another artefact of once perfect and reasonable game we never got? Could be an easter egg, maybe?
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 6:52:44 GMT
Reyes is leading again in that poll by quite a margin `*happy dance* Where is this poll? bsn.boards.net/thread/6921/best-romanceIt looks like more Sara than Scott players have voted (seeing as both Jaal and Reyes are so far ahead of everyone else) so the results are probably a bit skewed but that's still a pretty good result for Reyes.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 5:49:51 GMT
Wait, what? I can't remember ever getting that. I mean there was a scene where she invited me to try out zero G in the airlock with her but she didn't proposition me during it and I don't remember having to apologise for anything... Weird. She will not ask you for sex if you have already locked in a romance. Ah, I see. Makes it all the more hilarious because in that case, the romance that locked me out of it was Reyes. So you can't have casual straight sex if you're in a relationship with Reyes but you can have a second gay relationship with Gil if you're in a relationship with Reyes. That... makes sense.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 5:45:27 GMT
Venting protocols initiated: Just got the mandatory Peebee floating scene where she propositions you, even if you don't get along, and I was like: She goes on and on and you have no choice but to apologize for not wanting her. Go away Mac Walters, and take your stupid asari fetish with you. Ugh. Vent protocols complete, thanks thread! Wait, what? I can't remember ever getting that. I mean there was a scene where she invited me to try out zero G in the airlock with her but she didn't proposition me during it and I don't remember having to apologise for anything... Weird.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 5:38:34 GMT
Being a gay guy, I wouldn't personally describe any of those as hot but the most detailed is obviously Cora's.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 4:20:27 GMT
Yeah that's a great idea, I think more people should post songs they think or evokes feelings of Reyes' romance Okay over at YouTube trying to find songs "Love me like you do" is a good one. Look I have to ask cause there's some haters of Bioware over there I'm a gen-xer try to keep up with kids text stuff but I have to ask an feels safe here what is SJW mean? Just curious if it's a dumb question sorry😔 It means "social justice warrior". Nowadays it's usually used in a derogatory context (often by right-wingers) for people who are perceived to be too politically correct or perceived to be pushing some sort of "leftist agenda".
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 4:06:41 GMT
I'm curious about all the Jill hate; honestly, would her character have generated so much heat if Gil had equal content with the other major romances, and the two of them had more story hooks other than the baby plot? Could it simply be that the plot was poorly executed, or do so many players truly hate even the option of raising children, that it "spoils their adventure" and/or "turns me old and boring"? I admit I haven't played Andromeda yet (still don't know if I will), but this particular story isn't unheard of; I myself have known many gay and lesbian people who are good parents, or wish to become so. I don't think it's the child that's the problem in and of itself. When that was first leaked (through datamining) most people in here were actually rather excited about it. The problem is very much how it's executed. Like the fact that Gil doesn't actually seem to want kids all that much and is practically pressured into it by Jill, the fact that Scott and Gil really don't seem to have been together for long enough to take on that kind of responsibility as a couple, the fact that Gil's already got less content than most other LIs in the game and he spends so much of his time talking about or to Jill, etc. Now I will canon that default Scott loves giant penis and default Sara loves vagina and boobies Only. They're both gay forever and I hope it ruins it for homophobes want someone to try and get salty with me about it. People are dumb. Even as a straight guy I say that canon Scott now wants Drack to bend him over the back seat of the Nomad. I mean, who wouldn't?
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 2:28:32 GMT
Default Scott is now gay in their eyes and they can't play as default Scott anymore cause he a fag like me I mean why even read my stupid posts about gay Scott's proclivities in the bedroom and then decide to let that effect your perception of him? Like what the hell man? Good. Sounds like some dick would do his Scott the world of good. That boy might even evolve as a person. All the more reason for BW to put some actual gay sex scenes in the game .
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 2:06:30 GMT
Wait, seriously? What did they say? o.O Default Scott is now gay in their eyes and they can't play as default Scott anymore cause he a fag like me I mean why even read my stupid posts about gay Scott's proclivities in the bedroom and then decide to let that effect your perception of him? Like what the hell man? Sounds like a closet case to me .
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 1:57:38 GMT
It's just hard cause I really like Gil. I actually died when he spoke on the intercom like an Alistair-esque dork, and his fights with Kallo, and referring to Suvi and Vetra as "his girls". Finding it hard to not flirt a little bit. But boy knowing the baggage he carries is enough to caution me against romancing him. Not gonna lie I kind of love how he has positive things to say about the other LGBT people on-ship and negative things to say about the straight people. It's kind of refreshing after Inquisition, where every character seems to trash on either Sera, Bull, or Dorian in some way. Of course everyone is going to trash Dorian. Everyone is jealous of Dorian.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 1:51:36 GMT
It's crazy how freaking well this song fits to the Ryder/Reyes romance: Lyrics: www.metrolyrics.com/young-love-lyrics-eli-lieb.html(You've got the correct age for the twins, the stuff about the relationship being somewhat dangerous, the roof stuff, and then there's a line about staying with him "on the other side" which totally fits the cave scene.)
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 0:35:40 GMT
Oh, they should also tweak the lighting in his Tartarus room. It looks really unflattering when you have conversations with him.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 0:27:00 GMT
I can see Gil maybe being one of Kesh's top people when it comes to maintaining the Nexus in future games. That fits him wanting to be with his kid as they grow up and keeps him in a prominent position in the game where he'll have a lot of content even if he isn't on the Tempest. Or Kesh replacing Drack on the squad and Gil taking her place on the Nexus.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 0:25:58 GMT
i'm still hoping that a rogue geth with legion-like intelligence snuck aboard the quarian arc or something, tbh. lemme kiss a genderless flashlight-head, bioware. You could just have Gil weld whichever parts you prefer on them .
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 0:22:34 GMT
Personally, I just can't see Gil work as a squadmate. Accompanying you on the occasional field mission due to his expertise? Sure. (Though, if they give him a prominent role in the sequel, I do hope that they somehow sort out the whole Jill/baby mess and make his story more about him, less about them.) But actually being a full-on squadmate who fights and stuff? I just can't quite picture that with Gil. Like others have said, something similar to what they did with the advisors in DAI could work for Gil and Suvi. I wish they would have made the crew more like advisors instead of having all that replaced by SAM know basically everything and anything "war table" like being discussed with the squad, Nexus leadership, Pathfinders or pretty much literally anyone except your crew. Suvi has some moments and Gil has his one, but they definitely could have thrown more to the chief scientist and engineer within the context of being crew. The thing is, they could've actually implemented advisor-type figures, what with Ryder being so young and inexperienced. It would've been easy for the leadership to just say "nah, we don't trust you to do this on your own, here, these people will make sure you don't blow up the cluster" .
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 8, 2017 0:12:26 GMT
So what y'all hoping for when the patch comes out for improving m/m? Okay, so some of this is going to be squarely in wishful thinking territory . - Improve his face a little. Not completely change it, that ship has sailed because we've all gotten used to it, but at least give him his own skin texture (right now, my Scott and Reyes have got the exact same freckles LOL), tone down the weird wrinkles across his cheeks and maybe fine-tune some of his features a little.
- Polish the animations, especially for Scott's scenes with him (which are far rougher than Sara's).
- Add in more dialogues and emails/vidcalls.*
- Give him a proper sex scene. Preferably at some later point in the story so the post-Kadara part of the game gets some Reyes goodness, too. Don't care if it's on the Tempest or in Kadara... Would be kind of cool if, if you've romanced Reyes, you need to go to Kadara to start the movie night and then Reyes is there with you on the sofa and he joins you in your cabin afterwards .
- What would be really cool (but I don't think it'll happen because it would require the other VAs to record new lines) would be if some of the crew/squad get a line or two about how Reyes has been bugging them for intel on how their missions are going and whether Scott is okay. Or even stuff like what Scott's favourite drink/meal/etc. is. Reyes seems like the kind of person who'd try to get that sort of info indirectly and covertly .
*I finished all of Reyes' romance content before doing the mission on the Archon's ship in which SAM stops Scott's heart and there wasn't even a lousy email from Reyes afterwards asking me if I was okay . Those are the sort of points in the story that would be perfect for some additional Reyes content.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 7, 2017 23:54:43 GMT
I missed this... GET OUT. Lmao. Her signature weapon, The Baster. A thrusting melee weapon that paralyzes. It incapacitated enemies for about 9 months...... And keeps draining their shields for roughly 20 years .
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 7, 2017 23:51:05 GMT
Personally, I just can't see Gil work as a squadmate. Accompanying you on the occasional field mission due to his expertise? Sure. (Though, if they give him a prominent role in the sequel, I do hope that they somehow sort out the whole Jill/baby mess and make his story more about him, less about them.) But actually being a full-on squadmate who fights and stuff? I just can't quite picture that with Gil. Like others have said, something similar to what they did with the advisors in DAI could work for Gil and Suvi.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 7, 2017 23:11:47 GMT
If I make one, I think I'll wait till all the patches are in. Otherwise, if they improve Reyes' scenes, I'll just be annoyed that I used the old version . Though any video I make will be Scott/Reyes, anyway.
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 7, 2017 22:28:54 GMT
I watched a vid of Cora's loyalty mission and... Am I the only one who thought the asari captain from Cora's sidequest was pretty hot? Also, the Pathfinder Sarissa is pretty hot, too. They're pretty cool and either would be great love interest material, if we have to have asari love interets. But if the next asari love interest is all nice femme ingenue, then no, bring on the bi female human squadmate. I'm pretty sure that all asari who aren't Peebee use exactly the same face mesh in MEA .
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 7, 2017 22:25:30 GMT
Thanks ! I had no idea that Jamie Clayton voiced Jien Garson. That's awesome! A bit surprised that Kallo and Cora were written by the same person. I mean, Cora isn't a bad character but Kallo just feels so much more interesting. Then again, I thought that Peebee was pretty well-written and her writer also wrote Gil... Still hurts how they have used her for such a minor character (content-wise), Jamie should have been a LI and I would have gone lesbian just for her, I would have bought the game full price even, biowhar you dumb :D8: I guess she would've been too expensive for that. Same problem as Natalie Dormer. EDIT: Does anyone else think that Gil's best moments are when he fights with Kallo ? (Not because I'm rooting for Gil - though I did side with him, if only because his arguments were the more logical ones and I was playing a logical Scott - but just because their interactions are fun.)
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 7, 2017 22:13:20 GMT
Thanks ! I had no idea that Jamie Clayton voiced Jien Garson. That's awesome! A bit surprised that Kallo and Cora were written by the same person. I mean, Cora isn't a bad character but Kallo just feels so much more interesting. Then again, I thought that Peebee was pretty well-written and her writer also wrote Gil...
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 7, 2017 22:06:54 GMT
It does just go to show that any fears they may have about gay characters not being well received are utter bullshit and all it requires is what all characters require to be universally liked: good writing. Courtney Woods did fantastic work in ME:A. Lexi, Reyes and Kadara are all great! She wrote Reyes and Lexi? If she'd also written Kallo, that'd basically be my three favourite MEA characters down . Do we have a list anywhere of which writer wrote which characters?
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Post by Frhozen on Apr 7, 2017 21:58:42 GMT
It is seriously comical! Especially cuz... I'll stick it in a spoiler tag. LOOK AT EFRA! XD He knows...
I think it's more a case of him wanting in on the game .
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