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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 12:53:36 GMT
Well, if you actually read the OP, what the OP says is that groundbreaking would have been:
1. Plots that originate in the MW or closely related to the events of ME1-3. 2. Really, really, really hot male squad-mates designed to romance female (or male?) PC. Possibly with female squadmates not designed to romance a male PC.
I honestly think that while it is fine to be disappointed with how Liam looks, no gaymance squad member or that Benefactor story-line remained unfinished as of yet, I would not really call the game "groundbreaking" per se if it indeed fulfilled the requirements vaguely outlined in the first post.
(Sigh) this reliance on reading between the lines and capture an impression of oneself's emotional state when starting a thread is somewhat irritating. Clarity would be nice.
MEA would have been much more "ground breaking" if it had been much less of the MW and much more of Andromeda. Instead they gave us Kadara which was safe, and the Angara on 3 different worlds and for the most part they were friendly. In fact, in the whole Helius cluster there is only one native sentient species. Bioware did provide a useless black hole. "Ground Breaking" would have been being seen as the hostile alien, breaking down the barriers and building relationships. Instead, you save the Moshae and everything is ducky dandy. Okay, I misunderstood your:
Too many missions could have been plucked from M!, 2, or 3 in order to provide some form of continuity from the Trilogy.
It could be read exactly the opposite way.
Actually, having only one detailed and developed sentient species is groundbreaking compared to ME and SW, which are choke-full of token species that are little more than tweaks on the same avatars and a few lines of lore, and whose home worlds we never visit. Even with 3 council races, we barely drop by. So it is completely opposite to what ME had.
What you said about being in conflict than slowly winning trust of Angara by no means describes a groundbreaking game either. It is not just saving Moshae in the game either. It is stabilizing the diplomatic embarrassment on Kadara and resolving a conflict with Akksul one way or another. Even if we were able to conquer Angara or enter negotiations with Kett behind Archon's back to trade access to Meridian for leaving Angara to be exalted in a conventional way, it still would not be groundbreaking. Anything but some sort of a peaceful settlement with Angara will preclude the sequel game being made.
It was either lighter game or a darker game, and I would imagine a lot more people would have objected to being forced to collaborate with Kett and sacrifice Anagra to save humanity's bacon. There are still folks unhappy about having to work with Cerberus.
The choice would have been nice, but the game serialization really harms even the possibility of divergent endings in vid games & so much is pumped into the setting and IP that it is almost unavoidable that all but the last game of the series would have the same essential ending.
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Post by paridave42 on May 10, 2017 13:03:06 GMT
Bioware used to be known as the 'go to' studio for ground breaking RPG - not so much with MEA. Too many missions could have been plucked from M!, 2, or 3 in order to provide some form of continuity from the Trilogy. The female companions are still the 'hot babes' designed for relationships and the male companions... not so much. Which games of theirs were considered groundbreaking? Bioware has been popular for a particular flavor of games. Mild RPG elements with fun story/characters and game mechanics is why I play Bioware games. ME! Just in the ME Trilogy, 1 for the exploration, totally new; having to choose which companion lives or dies, things that had never been done before, oh, and the romance, which had never been that explicit before. 2 because it took those concepts and grew them. 3 mostly because of the ending, it doesn't make a difference whether you liked it or not, it was revolutionary.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 10, 2017 13:04:55 GMT
Which games of theirs were considered groundbreaking? Bioware has been popular for a particular flavor of games. Mild RPG elements with fun story/characters and game mechanics is why I play Bioware games. ME! Just in the ME Trilogy, 1 for the exploration, totally new; having to choose which companion lives or dies, things that had never been done before, oh, and the romance, which had never been that explicit before. 2 because it took those concepts and grew them. 3 mostly because of the ending, it doesn't make a difference whether you liked it or not, it was revolutionary. No, all of those had been done before, like in Baldur's Gate 2. I liked ME1 just fine, but that doesn't make it ground-breaking.
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Post by WopGnop on May 10, 2017 13:09:22 GMT
That's funny considering all the hate female faces have gotten in ME:A for being hit with ugly sticks. I'm curious would you rather have ugly female characters to romance? Or Fat ones? Fat ones, definitely, but I also wish I could eat them if the need arises If the option is not available then I'll stick to ugly-as-sin ones, but then I DEMAND that I'm able to order them to make me sandwiches.
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Post by kheld on May 10, 2017 14:04:36 GMT
That's funny considering all the hate female faces have gotten in ME:A for being hit with ugly sticks. I'm curious would you rather have ugly female characters to romance? Or Fat ones? In a good RPG you should get fat chicks, and ugly, as well as pretty ones. If one of the main reasons you're playing is because you think Cora is hot and you want to bone her so you can watch the soft core cut scene... Then ME:A is the best rpg ever made, as all of the female toons are pretty "meh" if not downright ugly.
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Post by myalzalean on May 10, 2017 14:53:42 GMT
So two weeks ago there were threads and opinions stating how Mass Effect Andromeda didn't feel like a Mass Effect game and now it is too much like past games that it isn't ground breaking enough?
I believe we have finally come full circle.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 14:58:35 GMT
So two weeks ago there were threads and opinions stating how Mass Effect Andromeda didn't feel like a Mass Effect game and now it is too much like past games that it isn't ground breaking enough? I believe we have finally come full circle. pretty much. Though it's not so much a curcle, it's more about drawing whatever curves you want through one data point of: Gamegasm didn't happen. Must be Bio's fault.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 10, 2017 15:06:17 GMT
Which games of theirs were considered groundbreaking? Bioware has been popular for a particular flavor of games. Mild RPG elements with fun story/characters and game mechanics is why I play Bioware games. ME! Just in the ME Trilogy, 1 for the exploration, totally new; having to choose which companion lives or dies, things that had never been done before, oh, and the romance, which had never been that explicit before. 2 because it took those concepts and grew them. 3 mostly because of the ending, it doesn't make a difference whether you liked it or not, it was revolutionary. As great as ME1 is (it is my favorite), it along with the DA franchise isn't exactly "revolutionary". Games didn't go out of their way to copy it, they may have took some elements(as every game dev does), but very few really went full blown on it. Both franchises would also sell a lot more if they were really that good to be "revolutionary". Not a single one has topped ten million sales when there are games like bethesdas that sell much much more. Bioware games really only service a select niche of people, it was never top of the market that a revolutionary game would be.
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Post by guanxi on May 10, 2017 15:31:48 GMT
They had a comparable timescale if not budget to topple Witcher 3 off it's perch but not the staff evidently. It's very safe in terms of story and mechanics which is why it's so forgettable as it brings nothing new to the table for the studio, franchise let alone the genre or gaming in general. Lacks imagination and spark and that's down to leadership. It's a mildly enjoyable stopgap which borrows too much from simply put much better games including previous BioWare games. Long standing issues haven't been addressed and the formula is getting so old it's really starting to rankle.
You can see the obvious potential but unlocking it is really going to take some doing. The main positive thing to come out of MEA is that it looks like they are going to get that chance and i'm sure the rookies have learned a whole lot and are hopefully ready to write some wrongs and fight for the series and the studios survival. Witcher 3 was the third attempt and it sort of hit the entire industry and evens fans by surprise so anything is possible.
I was hoping some of the W3's influence would have been more pronounced and they along with the rest of the industry need to stop trying to emulate UbiSoft it does them no favors. I've really been struggling to summon the enthusiasm to play through MEA a second time and this used to be my favorite gaming franchise for years. At it best it evokes series nostalgia and awakens ancient feelings but at it's worst it feels like a poor man's Ubisoft sandbox dirge and that's really saying something considering UbiSoft themselves have been phoning it in for years.
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Post by Iakus on May 10, 2017 15:43:17 GMT
People still expect ground breaking games? If you want something that is different, look at Indie Devs. Most AAA devs cater their games to what people expect of them. Most of the RPGs I get nowadays are ones I back on Kickstarter.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 10, 2017 15:44:23 GMT
People still expect ground breaking games? If you want something that is different, look at Indie Devs. Most AAA devs cater their games to what people expect of them. Most of the RPGs I get nowadays are ones I back on Kickstarter. Any recommendations on some good ones? I have been having an itching to play some good indie RPGS.
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Post by Iakus on May 10, 2017 16:00:37 GMT
Most of the RPGs I get nowadays are ones I back on Kickstarter. Any recommendations on some good ones? I have been having an itching to play some good indie RPGS. Banner Saga 1 & 2 (3 just got funded) Pillars of Eternity (Pillars of Eternity 2 just got funded) Torment: Tides of Numenera Divinity: Original Sin (2 is in the works) Shadowrun Returns (the OC is so-so, but Dragonfall and Hong Kong adventures are awesome) Wasteland 2 (Wasteland 3 is due out next year)
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 20:18:01 GMT
If you want anything groundbreaking AAA games are the wrong place to look for. Big companies like EA fear risks so they play it safe and keep churning out the same games over and over again. Call of duty, Need for speed, now Mass Effect. Their lumbering size is their own demise. If you want to see groundbreaking things go look for kickstarter and indie games, thats where the cool stuff happens. I'm sure EA could do just fine off of shooters and sports games. They have a monopoly on sports games and now they have Star Wars. At one time, like in 2004' the best (absolute) baseball video game in MVP Baseball. It was so good many fans were disappointed with 2K12 Baseball, eight years later. EA had met their match in greed, though... MLB. to this day, no one makes anything comparable to MVP baseball on the PC. The Show on PS4 is brilliant, but I am one of the long-indoctrinated PC Masrer Race drones.
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Post by danishgambit on May 10, 2017 21:28:40 GMT
Any recommendations on some good ones? I have been having an itching to play some good indie RPGS. Banner Saga 1 & 2 (3 just got funded) Pillars of Eternity (Pillars of Eternity 2 just got funded) Torment: Tides of Numenera Divinity: Original Sin (2 is in the works) Shadowrun Returns (the OC is so-so, but Dragonfall and Hong Kong adventures are awesome) Wasteland 2 (Wasteland 3 is due out next year) Divinity 2 has been out for a long while now: store.steampowered.com/app/435150/Divinity_Original_Sin_2/
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Post by Iakus on May 10, 2017 21:31:37 GMT
Banner Saga 1 & 2 (3 just got funded) Pillars of Eternity (Pillars of Eternity 2 just got funded) Torment: Tides of Numenera Divinity: Original Sin (2 is in the works) Shadowrun Returns (the OC is so-so, but Dragonfall and Hong Kong adventures are awesome) Wasteland 2 (Wasteland 3 is due out next year) Divinity 2 has been out for a long while now: store.steampowered.com/app/435150/Divinity_Original_Sin_2/Yes, but it's still Early Access. It's not complete yet.
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Post by paridave42 on May 11, 2017 11:33:39 GMT
People still expect ground breaking games? If you want something that is different, look at Indie Devs. Most AAA devs cater their games to what people expect of them. Most of the RPGs I get nowadays are ones I back on Kickstarter. I tried that and with some the experience was... painful.
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Post by paridave42 on May 11, 2017 11:42:22 GMT
ME! Just in the ME Trilogy, 1 for the exploration, totally new; having to choose which companion lives or dies, things that had never been done before, oh, and the romance, which had never been that explicit before. 2 because it took those concepts and grew them. 3 mostly because of the ending, it doesn't make a difference whether you liked it or not, it was revolutionary. As great as ME1 is (it is my favorite), it along with the DA franchise isn't exactly "revolutionary". Games didn't go out of their way to copy it, they may have took some elements(as every game dev does), but very few really went full blown on it. Both franchises would also sell a lot more if they were really that good to be "revolutionary". Not a single one has topped ten million sales when there are games like bethesdas that sell much much more. Bioware games really only service a select niche of people, it was never top of the market that a revolutionary game would be. There's a difference between Groundbreaking and Revolutionary: one opens up a new course of direction and the other abruptly changes that direction.
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Post by abaris on May 11, 2017 12:22:04 GMT
If you want anything groundbreaking AAA games are the wrong place to look for. Big companies like EA fear risks so they play it safe and keep churning out the same games over and over again. Call of duty, Need for speed, now Mass Effect. Like all big monstrosities their size makes them slow to react, inflexible and lazy, their lumbering size is their own demise. If you want to see groundbreaking things go look for kickstarter and indie games, thats where the cool stuff happens. I've invested over a 100 hours, so I'm certainly not hating the game and got my money's worth on the side. But I didn't start playing before patch 1.05, so the worst in terms of facial animations and bugs had already been taking care of. But I do think, it offers little in terms of replayability. I had two playthroughs. One with a from scratch character and the other NG+. I tried to get different results, but there was nothing to be surprised or to say, well that's new.
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