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A Thought occurs looking at female CC May 9, 2017 23:19:44 GMT

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Post by duskwanderer on May 9, 2017 23:19:44 GMT

When I played this game first, I didn't bother with Sara's CC. But now that I'm playing around with it, I don't think she looks terrible, but I do think she looks old. It almost made me think I was creating a mother and son, not fraternal twins.

I wonder if that would be a good angle for future games?

I know lots of people complained about how "ugly" the female characters are, but did anyone else get that particularly complaint? That the women just look much older than the men when it came to CC?

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The CC are scans of real life people, so these "ugly" women are not really ugly, but the scanned versions of them are. Even Sara's real life model for her default look is stunning! I noticed when I had the lighting effect at low or medium, you can see scars, acne and poor skin texture, but if you have the lighting effect up to high or ultra, their skin smooths out and looks younger.

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A Thought occurs looking at female CC May 9, 2017 23:32:45 GMT

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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 9, 2017 23:32:45 GMT

I've heard complaints that both twins' presets make them look older than the intended 22. It's not universal, though; I think my character looks young enough. Of course, allowing us to edit complexion like every past CC would fix that issue, but noooo, you had to use some stupid scans, Bioware :banghead:

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Post by brandoftime on May 9, 2017 23:36:55 GMT

Remember how Miranda in ME2 looked nothing like her model? I'm guessing the translation is hit or miss, and poor Sara is totally a miss.

Why can't they have gone back and tweaked the face to look at least - er, normal?

And not this?

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May 9, 2017 23:24:01 GMT @lc said:

The CC are scans of real life people, so these "ugly" women are not really ugly, but the scanned versions of them are. Even Sara's real life model for her default look is stunning! I noticed when I had the lighting effect at low or medium, you can see scars, acne and poor skin texture, but if you have the lighting effect up to high or ultra, their skin smooths out and looks younger.

I'd expect acne from someone young, but you're right. Jayde Rossi is a very beautiful woman, and the scan looked ugly. I just thought it was an age thing more than anything else.

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May 10, 2017 0:12:02 GMT duskwanderer said:

May 9, 2017 23:24:01 GMT @lc said:

The CC are scans of real life people, so these "ugly" women are not really ugly, but the scanned versions of them are. Even Sara's real life model for her default look is stunning! I noticed when I had the lighting effect at low or medium, you can see scars, acne and poor skin texture, but if you have the lighting effect up to high or ultra, their skin smooths out and looks younger.

I'd expect acne from someone young, but you're right. Jayde Rossi is a very beautiful woman, and the scan looked ugly. I just thought it was an age thing more than anything else.

I'm not sure what went wrong since your human squadmates (and PeeBee I think) are also real life models, and Scott's default turned out pretty handsome too! Sara seems to have been the major issue.

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I feel the exact opposite, duskwanderer. I think all of the Scotts I've crafted look older than 22 (more like 27 to 35). I have no problem at all, though, crafting a youthful, attractive Sara. I've used three different scans for three different Saras (#1, 5 and 7). If it weren't such a PITA to share pics from PS4 Pro, I'd have posted pics long ago. The male CC scans all have crow's feet and forehead wrinkles in-game, at the very least. I realize that everyone ages differently, but I'm pushing 40 and I still don't have those issues.

I know I'm in the minority on this forum, but I've really grown to appreciate this CC. It's much more nuanced than people seem to believe. It does take skill to get varied looks out of it; and I think many people like to throw together some features and play. Alternatively, they try to self-insert via the CC, and scans don't readily allow that. I'm in favor of additional options in the CC, but I think they should probably just be additional pairs of scans. I'd hate to see them ruin the CC by trying to accommodate critics. They can always go back to a more varied, but less life-like, CC in the next game.

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May 10, 2017 3:48:58 GMT Element Zero said:

I feel the exact opposite, duskwanderer . I think all of the Scotts I've crafted look older than 22 (more like 27 to 35). I have no problem at all, though, crafting a youthful, attractive Sara. I've used three different scans for three different Saras (#1, 5 and 7). If it weren't such a PITA to share pics from PS4 Pro, I'd have posted pics long ago. The male CC scans all have crow's feet and forehead wrinkles in-game, at the very least. I realize that everyone ages differently, but I'm pushing 40 and I still don't have those issues.

I know I'm in the minority on this forum, but I've really grown to appreciate this CC. It's much more nuanced than people seem to believe. It does take skill to get varied looks out of it; and I think many people like to throw together some features and play. Alternatively, they try to self-insert via the CC, and scans don't readily allow that. I'm in favor of additional options in the CC, but I think they should probably just be additional pairs of scans. I'd hate to see them ruin the CC by trying to accommodate critics. They can always go back to a more varied, but less life-like, CC in the next game.

I've mastered it to my liking. My avatar is preset 9 Sara.

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Post by Element Zero on May 10, 2017 4:20:41 GMT

May 10, 2017 4:05:13 GMT duskwanderer said:

You know, I can't help but think more stylization is needed. Arkane does it a lot, and it helps.

I Googled their games, and ended up reading a full review of Prey, but am still not sure what you mean. I'd thought you meant piercings, hair variety, etc... in the CC. All of their games are first-person, though, no? That's one reason why I've not played a few of them.

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May 9, 2017 23:32:45 GMT BansheeOwnage said:

I've heard complaints that both twins' presets make them look older than the intended 22. It's not universal, though; I think my character looks young enough. Of course, allowing us to edit complexion like every past CC would fix that issue, but noooo, you had to use some stupid scans, Bioware :banghead:

It depends on the lighting. Not necessarilly the quality but the source. For instance at Dracks kitchen hideout, my Sara looks like a wrinkly old woman whereas under different lighting condietions, the face looks young.

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A Thought occurs looking at female CC May 10, 2017 10:02:21 GMT

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Post by Psychevore on May 10, 2017 10:02:21 GMT

May 10, 2017 0:12:02 GMT duskwanderer said:

May 9, 2017 23:24:01 GMT @lc said:

The CC are scans of real life people, so these "ugly" women are not really ugly, but the scanned versions of them are. Even Sara's real life model for her default look is stunning! I noticed when I had the lighting effect at low or medium, you can see scars, acne and poor skin texture, but if you have the lighting effect up to high or ultra, their skin smooths out and looks younger.

I'd expect acne from someone young, but you're right. Jayde Rossi is a very beautiful woman, and the scan looked ugly. I just thought it was an age thing more than anything else.

22 and acne?

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Post by Psychevore on May 10, 2017 10:06:12 GMT

May 10, 2017 3:48:58 GMT Element Zero said:

I feel the exact opposite, duskwanderer . I think all of the Scotts I've crafted look older than 22 (more like 27 to 35). I have no problem at all, though, crafting a youthful, attractive Sara. I've used three different scans for three different Saras (#1, 5 and 7). If it weren't such a PITA to share pics from PS4 Pro, I'd have posted pics long ago. The male CC scans all have crow's feet and forehead wrinkles in-game, at the very least. I realize that everyone ages differently, but I'm pushing 40 and I still don't have those issues.

I know I'm in the minority on this forum, but I've really grown to appreciate this CC. It's much more nuanced than people seem to believe. It does take skill to get varied looks out of it; and I think many people like to throw together some features and play. Alternatively, they try to self-insert via the CC, and scans don't readily allow that. I'm in favor of additional options in the CC, but I think they should probably just be additional pairs of scans. I'd hate to see them ruin the CC by trying to accommodate critics. They can always go back to a more varied, but less life-like, CC in the next game.

I took that on PS4. To make screenshotting easier you need to change the settings. When I press the share button it automatically takes a screenshot without getting into that stupid menu first.

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Post by Element Zero on May 10, 2017 14:19:50 GMT

May 10, 2017 10:06:12 GMT Psychevore said:

May 10, 2017 3:48:58 GMT Element Zero said:

I feel the exact opposite, duskwanderer . I think all of the Scotts I've crafted look older than 22 (more like 27 to 35). I have no problem at all, though, crafting a youthful, attractive Sara. I've used three different scans for three different Saras (#1, 5 and 7). If it weren't such a PITA to share pics from PS4 Pro, I'd have posted pics long ago. The male CC scans all have crow's feet and forehead wrinkles in-game, at the very least. I realize that everyone ages differently, but I'm pushing 40 and I still don't have those issues.

I know I'm in the minority on this forum, but I've really grown to appreciate this CC. It's much more nuanced than people seem to believe. It does take skill to get varied looks out of it; and I think many people like to throw together some features and play. Alternatively, they try to self-insert via the CC, and scans don't readily allow that. I'm in favor of additional options in the CC, but I think they should probably just be additional pairs of scans. I'd hate to see them ruin the CC by trying to accommodate critics. They can always go back to a more varied, but less life-like, CC in the next game.

I took that on PS4. To make screenshotting easier you need to change the settings. When I press the share button it automatically takes a screenshot without getting into that stupid menu first.

I just hate the remaining part-- transferring to USB, hosting online and linking here. I browse on an iPad, and don't even have a PC close at hand. Basically, I'm too lazy.

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May 10, 2017 4:20:41 GMT Element Zero said:

May 10, 2017 4:05:13 GMT duskwanderer said:

You know, I can't help but think more stylization is needed. Arkane does it a lot, and it helps.

I Googled their games, and ended up reading a full review of Prey, but am still not sure what you mean. I'd thought you meant piercings, hair variety, etc... in the CC. All of their games are first-person, though, no? That's one reason why I've not played a few of them.

You've seen Prey then? Look at Alex and Morgan. They "look" human, but they also distinctly "don't." Their faces are a bit too big, there are too many hard lines. You'd never mistake them for real people. It lets you accept certain flaws about characters when they embrace the fact that they aren't photo-realistic.

With ME:A's scans, you can't really do that.

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Post by Element Zero on May 10, 2017 15:24:24 GMT

May 10, 2017 15:20:14 GMT duskwanderer said:

May 10, 2017 4:20:41 GMT Element Zero said:

I Googled their games, and ended up reading a full review of Prey, but am still not sure what you mean. I'd thought you meant piercings, hair variety, etc... in the CC. All of their games are first-person, though, no? That's one reason why I've not played a few of them.

You've seen Prey then? Look at Alex and Morgan. They "look" human, but they also distinctly "don't." Their faces are a bit too big, there are too many hard lines. You'd never mistake them for real people. It lets you accept certain flaws about characters when they embrace the fact that they aren't photo-realistic.

With ME:A's scans, you can't really do that.

Gotcha- a stylized aesthetic. I'm not in favor, since I already like ME's aesthetic, but you're right about its advantages.

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Post by kalasaurus on May 10, 2017 15:55:34 GMT

May 10, 2017 3:48:58 GMT Element Zero said:

I feel the exact opposite, duskwanderer . I think all of the Scotts I've crafted look older than 22 (more like 27 to 35). I have no problem at all, though, crafting a youthful, attractive Sara. I've used three different scans for three different Saras (#1, 5 and 7). If it weren't such a PITA to share pics from PS4 Pro, I'd have posted pics long ago. The male CC scans all have crow's feet and forehead wrinkles in-game, at the very least. I realize that everyone ages differently, but I'm pushing 40 and I still don't have those issues.

I know I'm in the minority on this forum, but I've really grown to appreciate this CC. It's much more nuanced than people seem to believe. It does take skill to get varied looks out of it; and I think many people like to throw together some features and play. Alternatively, they try to self-insert via the CC, and scans don't readily allow that. I'm in favor of additional options in the CC, but I think they should probably just be additional pairs of scans. I'd hate to see them ruin the CC by trying to accommodate critics. They can always go back to a more varied, but less life-like, CC in the next game.

I've only seemed to be able to tweak Sara preset #5 to my liking so far. I'm twitchy with the share button on my PS4. I wanted to make my Ryders look Indian, although both of their parents are white, but whatever *shrug*

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I haven't done too much with the Scott presets, but tweaked preset #6 has been my go-to.

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All in all, the CC is doable. It just takes a lot of tweaking IMO. Playing around with the CC, I was also able to make a half-decent Ryder with Sara preset #2. I don't have any screenshots, but I know it's possible (like with the other presets).

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May 9, 2017 23:19:44 GMT duskwanderer said:

When I played this game first, I didn't bother with Sara's CC. But now that I'm playing around with it, I don't think she looks terrible, but I do think she looks old. It almost made me think I was creating a mother and son, not fraternal twins.

I wonder if that would be a good angle for future games?

I know lots of people complained about how "ugly" the female characters are, but did anyone else get that particularly complaint? That the women just look much older than the men when it came to CC?

On the contrary, I found that female CC characters from the start were far more attractive and far younger looking than the males. They all, males and females, had horrendous default distribution of hair, coloring and facial features, but it was all easily changed to rather good looking females. Males though had skin problems, save for Preset 1 and 4. Female skins (like Preset 7) also benefit from applying skin from preset #1.

Fixing skin issues by a tiny edit immediately rejuvenates and makes pretty much every preset a starting point for a young and attractive Ryder, male or female. Why on earth they did not allow the skin slider beats me.

Animations age M!Ryders far more than F!Ryders. I certainly do not think (particularly given the story's direction in the end of the game) that F!Ryder in any way looks like M!Ryder's mom. F!Ryder also never acts motherly. If anything, to me, M!Ryder is more capable overall (including his voice) to step up as Alec #2, and feels like an older brother to the far more juvenile-sounding and younger acting F!Ryder.

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May 10, 2017 14:19:50 GMT Element Zero said:

May 10, 2017 10:06:12 GMT Psychevore said:

I took that on PS4. To make screenshotting easier you need to change the settings. When I press the share button it automatically takes a screenshot without getting into that stupid menu first.

I just hate the remaining part-- transferring to USB, hosting online and linking here. I browse on an iPad, and don't even have a PC close at hand. Basically, I'm too lazy.

yeah I'm all too familiar with that

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Post by Deana on May 13, 2017 19:10:39 GMT

I'd just like to make a good looking female character with pale skin who doesn't have acne and moles all over her face.

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Post by dmc1001 on May 14, 2017 0:27:43 GMT

May 9, 2017 23:24:01 GMT @lc said:

The CC are scans of real life people, so these "ugly" women are not really ugly, but the scanned versions of them are. Even Sara's real life model for her default look is stunning! I noticed when I had the lighting effect at low or medium, you can see scars, acne and poor skin texture, but if you have the lighting effect up to high or ultra, their skin smooths out and looks younger.

Maybe this is why I never thought she looked old. My computer has optimal performance specs so I never noticed the problem.

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