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Post by RageUnderFire on May 11, 2017 1:07:06 GMT
How do you think designing with game might or might not have a sequel/s in mind affected Andromeda?
I'm sure as rpg fans most of us know the Squaresoft Final Fantasy story.
Square WENT ALL IN. Its fate as a company was riding on making this one game great. They were dedicated and succeeded.
Andromeda was intended to be a franchise reboot, but BW didn't plan for Andromeda to be apart of a series.
The original Mass Effect was created with trilogy in mind. With so much invested in the game they had to make sure it came out right.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2017 1:11:40 GMT
How do you think designing with game might or might not have a sequel/s in mind affected Andromeda? I'm sure as rpg fans most of us know the Squaresoft Final Fantasy story. Square WENT ALL IN. Its fate as a company was riding on making this one game great. They were dedicated and succeeded. Andromeda was intended to be a franchise reboot, but BW didn't plan for Andromeda to be apart of a series. The original Mass Effect was created with trilogy in mind. With so much invested in the game they had to make sure it came out right. 1. It's not a reboot. 2.Andromeda did it right. Like inquisition it was a fairly well rounded story that came to an end but then v they left story lines open for potential sequels.
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Post by derrame on May 11, 2017 2:12:44 GMT
it's not a reboot, have you played the game? is a new galaxy, new start, after the trilogy
i hope they make a sequel, less open world exploration and less boring fetch quests and more better story, just like the trilogy
we don't know yet if there will be a sequel or what kind of game
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Post by armass81 on May 11, 2017 2:18:13 GMT
How do you think designing with game might or might not have a sequel/s in mind affected Andromeda? I'm sure as rpg fans most of us know the Squaresoft Final Fantasy story. Square WENT ALL IN. Its fate as a company was riding on making this one game great. They were dedicated and succeeded. Andromeda was intended to be a franchise reboot, but BW didn't plan for Andromeda to be apart of a series. The original Mass Effect was created with trilogy in mind. With so much invested in the game they had to make sure it came out right. "Were", indeed. Not anymore...
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Post by isaidlunch on May 11, 2017 2:36:33 GMT
They shot themselves in the foot when they gave the series to Montreal.
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Post by babe145869 on May 11, 2017 2:50:36 GMT
It would be nice to know who the benifactor is/was, if Ryder's mom's illness was cured, and if the Quarian ark can be found, but it seems unlikely we'll ever know. Now that the team was broken up for other projects, leaving a skeleton crew to support ME:A, we won't get a squeal for years if ever.
If they do make a squeal many yrs from now, I hope that the Ryder twins are older, with a less child like selection of dialogue options. And by that time, they give an option to mute SAM's non-cortical info.
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Post by kino on May 11, 2017 2:55:45 GMT
How do you think designing with game might or might not have a sequel/s in mind affected Andromeda? I'm sure as rpg fans most of us know the Squaresoft Final Fantasy story. Square WENT ALL IN. Its fate as a company was riding on making this one game great. They were dedicated and succeeded. Andromeda was intended to be a franchise reboot, but BW didn't plan for Andromeda to be apart of a series. The original Mass Effect was created with trilogy in mind. With so much invested in the game they had to make sure it came out right. With an estimated $40 million dollar budget over 5 years, with an already established game engine, I don't think that could be considered "all in" by any stretch of the accounting imagination.
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Post by RageUnderFire on May 11, 2017 3:27:38 GMT
It would be nice to know who the benifactor is/was, if Ryder's mom's illness was cured, and if the Quarian ark can be found, but it seems unlikely we'll ever know. Now that the team was broken up for other projects, leaving a skeleton crew to support ME:A, we won't get a squeal for years if ever. If they do make a squeal many yrs from now, I hope that the Ryder twins are older, with a less child like selection of dialogue options. And by that time, they give an option to mute SAM's non-cortical info. Smart move for them to wait it out and let people forget about the fuck ups of Andromeda.
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Post by Element Zero on May 11, 2017 3:46:06 GMT
It would be nice to know who the benifactor is/was, if Ryder's mom's illness was cured, and if the Quarian ark can be found, but it seems unlikely we'll ever know. Now that the team was broken up for other projects, leaving a skeleton crew to support ME:A, we won't get a squeal for years if ever. If they do make a squeal many yrs from now, I hope that the Ryder twins are older, with a less child like selection of dialogue options. And by that time, they give an option to mute SAM's non-cortical info. Smart move for them to wait it out and let people forget about the fuck ups of Andromeda. Other than releasing the game unfinished, which is important, I don't see these "f-ups" which bother so many here. I really like this game. The patches have turned it into the excellent game it should've been from day one. I think the hate train got rolling, and many people were eager to climb aboard. Even if the various design choices didn't please everyone, they can hardly be called f-ups. They resulted in a very good game. Feeling a bit disappointed by the game is reasonable. The vitriolic reactions of many, even here among the so-called "core fans", are ridiculous. I hope their hyperbolic tantrums haven't helped put ME on the shelf for years to come. Some seem to think screaming loudly and obnoxiously will get them a hearing. They don't realize that screaming and hyperbole aren't necessary. It's entirely possible to critique a game without insulting the people who worked so hard for 5 years to make it. Temper tantrums make grown adults look like fools. This post isn't targeted at anyone in particular, and certainly not at you, Rage. I'm just putting my thoughts in writing. I very much hope that Ryder and the team get a sequel. A future reboot of a series built upon forward progress feels stupid, to me. They need to keep this story going, even if it's another long wait until the next chapter.
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Post by cypherj on May 11, 2017 3:54:14 GMT
They shot themselves int he foot releasing an unfinished game. You can't release a game that is supposed to bring old fans back to the series and pull in new ones and stumble out of the gate the way they did. The game's been out going on two months and you're just now getting it close to the condition it should have been when it was released.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 11, 2017 4:06:53 GMT
Smart move for them to wait it out and let people forget about the fuck ups of Andromeda. Other than releasing the game unfinished, which is important, I don't see these "f-ups" which bother so many here. I really like this game. The patches have turned it into the excellent game it should've been from day one. I think the hate train got rolling, and many people were eager to climb aboard. Even if the various design choices didn't please everyone, they can hardly be called f-ups. They resulted in a very good game. Feeling a bit disappointed by the game is reasonable. The vitriolic reactions of many, even here among the so-called "core fans", are ridiculous. I hope their hyperbolic tantrums haven't helped put ME on the shelf for years to come. Some seem to think screaming loudly and obnoxiously will get them a hearing. They don't realize that screaming and hyperbole aren't necessary. It's entirely possible to critique a game without insulting the people who worked so hard for 5 years to make it. Temper tantrums make grown adults look like fools. This post isn't targeted at anyone in particular, and certainly not at you, Rage. I'm just putting my thoughts in writing. I very much hope that Ryder and the team get a sequel. A future reboot of a series built upon forward progress feels stupid, to me. They need to keep this story going, even if it's another long wait until the next chapter. youll find the people throwing tantrums will be a very small minority and it'll be the fans with explanations and disappointment along with dropping sales and critically failing being why a game gets shelved, not some group that you people can't ignore and choose to actively engage with even though they clearly bother you. bioware fans aren't the most toxic out there, try the CoD forums where there's millions more, the toxicity means nothing if a game does well. You're just blaming the fans when it's the wrong way to look at it.
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Post by RageUnderFire on May 11, 2017 4:10:18 GMT
Smart move for them to wait it out and let people forget about the fuck ups of Andromeda. Other than releasing the game unfinished, which is important, I don't see these "f-ups" which bother so many here. I really like this game. The patches have turned it into the excellent game it should've been from day one. I think the hate train got rolling, and many people were eager to climb aboard. Even if the various design choices didn't please everyone, they can hardly be called f-ups. They resulted in a very good game. Feeling a bit disappointed by the game is reasonable. The vitriolic reactions of many, even here among the so-called "core fans", are ridiculous. I hope their hyperbolic tantrums haven't helped put ME on the shelf for years to come. Some seem to think screaming loudly and obnoxiously will get them a hearing. They don't realize that screaming and hyperbole aren't necessary. It's entirely possible to critique a game without insulting the people who worked so hard for 5 years to make it. Temper tantrums make grown adults look like fools. This post isn't targeted at anyone in particular, and certainly not at you, Rage. I'm just putting my thoughts in writing. I very much hope that Ryder and the team get a sequel. A future reboot of a series built upon forward progress feels stupid, to me. They need to keep this story going, even if it's another long wait until the next chapter. Story leaves more to be desired. Combat is good imo. People fully shitting on Andromeda were judging a book by its cover. Developers tried to hard to be fancy and boggled the game down with excess features. Problem is the tutorials/instructions sucked major azz. So there was a huge learning curve. People had to figure out how to play the game. Farming is fine. Making people feel like they're working to play a game is a major fuck up.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on May 11, 2017 4:11:17 GMT
Montreal seems to have bitter off more than they can chew, but I don't think this is a death knell for the franchise or anything that dire - any "hiatus" at this point is probably more due to the fact that a new IP and DA4 are in development, and BioWare, for all their ambitions, recognizes that they can't handle three games in active development.
Honestly, I've always thought that the expectation was that after Andromeda, they'd start the Mass Effect series having rotating protagonists like in Dragon Age. And if that's the case, we can expect that there'll be a few DLCs, and then probably the next Mass Effect game will have a time jump or something to account for Ryder no longer being the protagonist and continue the story from there.
But I think it's premature to call this 'hiatus' the end of Mass Effect or whatever - it was probably always the intention for the series to go dormant for a while and let them put all their attention in the games that they've already got in progress, rather than start yet another one.
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Post by RageUnderFire on May 11, 2017 4:15:54 GMT
Montreal seems to have bitter off more than they can chew, but I don't think this is a death knell for the franchise or anything that dire - a ny "hiatus" at this point is probably more due to the fact that a new IP and DA4 are in development, and BioWare, for all their ambitions, recognizes that they can't handle three games in active development. Honestly, I've always thought that the expectation was that after Andromeda, they'd start the Mass Effect series having rotating protagonists like in Dragon Age. And if that's the case, we can expect that there'll be a few DLCs, and then probably the next Mass Effect game will have a time jump or something to account for Ryder no longer being the protagonist and continue the story from there. But I think it's premature to call this 'hiatus' the end of Mass Effect or whatever - it was probably always the intention for the series to go dormant for a while and let them put all their attention in the games that they've already got in progress, rather than start yet another one. That sounds like their public relations spin. imo they realized they fucked up like UbiSoft did when they took a break from Assassin's Creed. All for the better. They'll fix their mistakes and make a better game next time. In the meantime some well written stories in DLC for Andromeda wouldn't hurt
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 11, 2017 4:16:33 GMT
How do you think designing with game might or might not have a sequel/s in mind affected Andromeda? I'm sure as rpg fans most of us know the Squaresoft Final Fantasy story. Square WENT ALL IN. Its fate as a company was riding on making this one game great. They were dedicated and succeeded. Andromeda was intended to be a franchise reboot, but BW didn't plan for Andromeda to be apart of a series. The original Mass Effect was created with trilogy in mind. With so much invested in the game they had to make sure it came out right. With an estimated $40 million dollar budget over 5 years, with an already established game engine, I don't think that could be considered "all in" by any stretch of the accounting imagination. $40 million over 5 years is $8 million a year. So they had about 25 people working on it? Figure in healthcare costs, payroll taxes, unforeseen issues, equipment upgrades, voice acting (I wonder how much was blown on this), and PR nonsense that did nothing to stop the hate train before it got on rail and plowed through YouTube. EA spent enough to get EA Bucharest working on the cheap to make budget. All in... up our tushes... more like it. By the way, the nearest Gamestop has so many copies that they're not selling used ones first. If you know anything about Gamestop's practices, then you know "word of mouth" took hold.
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Post by Element Zero on May 11, 2017 4:18:00 GMT
Other than releasing the game unfinished, which is important, I don't see these "f-ups" which bother so many here. I really like this game. The patches have turned it into the excellent game it should've been from day one. I think the hate train got rolling, and many people were eager to climb aboard. Even if the various design choices didn't please everyone, they can hardly be called f-ups. They resulted in a very good game. Feeling a bit disappointed by the game is reasonable. The vitriolic reactions of many, even here among the so-called "core fans", are ridiculous. I hope their hyperbolic tantrums haven't helped put ME on the shelf for years to come. Some seem to think screaming loudly and obnoxiously will get them a hearing. They don't realize that screaming and hyperbole aren't necessary. It's entirely possible to critique a game without insulting the people who worked so hard for 5 years to make it. Temper tantrums make grown adults look like fools. This post isn't targeted at anyone in particular, and certainly not at you, Rage. I'm just putting my thoughts in writing. I very much hope that Ryder and the team get a sequel. A future reboot of a series built upon forward progress feels stupid, to me. They need to keep this story going, even if it's another long wait until the next chapter. youll find the people throwing tantrums will be a very small minority and it'll be the fans with explanations and disappointment along with dropping sales and critically failing being why a game gets shelved, not some group that you people can't ignore and choose to actively engage with even though they clearly bother you. bioware fans aren't the most toxic out there, try the CoD forums where there's millions more, the toxicity means nothing if a game does well. You're just blaming the fans when it's the wrong way to look at it. Of course sales determine all. I almost included that caveat, but I didn't think it had to be said. This is the BSN, though, so covering every base in every post is a necessity. Incessant negativity can play a part in the decision to shelve an IP. If people keep attacking, and it hurts sales, shelving it for a while is a reasonable business choice. Many people buy games on word of mouth or so-called "professional reviews". Searching MEA and coming up with some of the slanted BS being circulated would definitely give someone pause, at this point. I have no problem with legitimate criticism, and I've engaged with neither the very disappointed nor the obnoxious (not always the same) throughout the lengthy complaining. It's actually entirely on topic, for this thread, so I felt fine doing so.
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Post by cloud9 on May 11, 2017 7:28:21 GMT
They shot themselves int he foot releasing an unfinished game. You can't release a game that is supposed to bring old fans back to the series and pull in new ones and stumble out of the gate the way they did. The game's been out going on two months and you're just now getting it close to the condition it should have been when it was released. Yep BioWare pretty much screwed themselves up and you would think that they'll be smarter by learning from their mistakes, start listening to people, and be more competitive to stay on top. I don't know what is going on with them it's like they want to suck.
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