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Post by f3rociouspanda on May 13, 2017 9:26:08 GMT
Use a Dhan and shields don't matter. I'm conflicted on range vs DoT damage Flamer. DoT damage for sure. Not only do you get significantly more damage, but the increase in duration means you can apply and forget. The range isn't really needed. Does range actually increase range? The description just says +50% radius
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Post by niroz on May 13, 2017 9:44:42 GMT
DoT damage for sure. Not only do you get significantly more damage, but the increase in duration means you can apply and forget. The range isn't really needed. Does range actually increase range? The description just says +50% radius No - just makes the stream wider.
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Post by redpill on May 13, 2017 18:29:42 GMT
Putting points into Recon Visor doesn't seem worth it to me. The accuracy and stability doesn't matter on projectile weapons, and I think the Dhan is his best weapon. The armor debuff is cool but Flamethrower already destroys armor. The increased vision and duration is nice but not necessary, at level 1 you can still see plenty far. I just don't feel like Recon Visor does much. A cloak boosted Flamethrower on the other hand... it keeps you alive by knowing where all the enemies are(so you would know where all the good angles to shoot from, good escapes, etc) just like those geth goggles in ME3
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Post by redpill on May 13, 2017 18:52:06 GMT
Relying on flamethrower for damage is too slow for killing enemies(especially on gold and against the remnant/kett where most of them have shields) and the time you used up to debuff the enemy would've been used to kill him instead. Do you not understand what DPS is? What are you going to do? wait for them to shoot you with their -50% debuffed guns?(notice i said 50% because the turian agent gets 30% regardless if you spec flamethrower) You do realize, as a person using the turian agent, you don't need that extra -50% debuff. YOU ALREADY HAVE TACTICAL CLOAK TO KEEP YOU ALIVE OR DRAW AGGRO AWAY FROM YOU. Also, it's only a 50% debuff advantage(if you spec on fitness, the agent gets 30% weapon enemy debuff) I agree with hobo on this, speccing anymore points on flamethrower is a waste of points. The power doesn't fit with the character. He should've had trip mine or flak cannon instead(although he would be too powerful) Reading this, it's obvious you do not know how to use specced flamethrower effectively. You do not know how to use the spec and you keep making arguments based off of inexperience with properly using this setup. Shit like, " What are you going to do? wait for them to shoot you with their -50% debuffed guns", and " YOU ALREADY HAVE TACTICAL CLOAK TO KEEP YOU ALIVE", makes this super obvious. You're rambling on like this is some sort of theorycraft debate - which maybe inside your head, it is. For me, I've already played the setup effectively through multiple games, on gold versus every faction and I know it is extremely effective against all of them. I've already posted how to use this shit. It's also clear that you're the one that does not know how DPS works, or else you'd know that the DoT rolling on multiple targets can achieve very high DPS. Not to mention once the DoT is applied, which it gets applied nearly instantly, you can use your weapon in addition to the DoT rolling. Except you don't need to as they will die from the DoT. If it's something like a zerker that won't die from the DoT alone, don't worry, you can stand there like a fucktard if you like and not have to worry since it wont be doing shit to you - or if you're smart, you'll just shoot it in the head until it dies. For less stellar enemies, I've already told you what to do after you apply the DoT - you leave them there to burn to death while moving on to a different area to kill other shit/do the same thing. Why would you wait around wasting time when they are already doomed and will do mickey mouse damage to anyone during their remaining life span? Saying mickey mouse damage is generous though, since most of the time they do nothing but hide behind cover and burn to death from the DoT. I also do not understand why you think speccing into flamethrower means you do not have access to your weapon and recon visor or some stupid shit. Like speccing into flamethrower means you have to run around the map like a fucktard holding down flamethrower until it goes on cooldown, after which you must retreat until it's back up again. You also shouldn't be an idiot by using flamethrower when there's just one red bar enemy if you're capable of instagibbing it. Again, you use flamethrower for multiple enemy engagements (which you can easily setup with recon visor+tact cloak) and for neutering fatty mcboombooms. I also don't get this shield excuse bullshit. Again, do you not have a weapon that is capable of breaking shields? Again, does speccing into flamethrower make it so you can't do anything except scotch taping down the key/button bound to flamethrower? Then there's this shit, " it's only a 50% debuff advantage". Only? Really? Going from 30% to 80% is a big fucking deal. That's the difference of a hydra still being able to fuck you up compared to it not doing shit. That's the difference between you getting shredded by the 4 enemies you just jumped and you successfully emerging from that engagement like a boss. The debuff also doesn't just benefit you, if benefits you're entire team. You clearly haven't tested the difference between 30% and 80%. Don't worry though, I have - and it's huge. " ...the time you used up to debuff the enemy would've been used to kill him instead. Do you not understand what DPS is?" Aren't you the one that was complaining in a separate thread that you can't reliably kill shit w/o stuns because they move too much? Lol plz, you ain't killin shit. nope, 30% to 80% enemy damage debuff doesn't mean shit for the Turian agent. A hydra won't "fuck me up" because I don't get shot at thanks to cloak OR because i know where all the enemies are(recon visor) he won't even have the proper angle to shoot me. -25% armor debuff thanks to recon visor helps too you are acting like i don't use flamethrower. Hint hint I DO, and i'm still capable of doing burning damage. So yes, i do use flamethrower to supplement my weapon damage the extra 20 points that i would've used for my agent goes to it's very good fitness/passives/visor. stuff like 28% gun damage passive 40/40 health/shield fitness 15% movement speed recon visor -25% armor debuff rank 1 is enough for flamethrower I can sense you have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not saying the flamethrower build won't work, but it's simply not the best overall build for the character
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Post by niroz on May 13, 2017 19:40:17 GMT
you are acting like i don't use flamethrower. Hint hint I DO, and i'm still capable of doing burning damage. So yes, i do use flamethrower to supplement my weapon damage the extra 20 points that i would've used for my agent goes to it's very good fitness/passives/visor. stuff like 28% gun damage passive 40/40 health/shield fitness 15% movement speed recon visor -25% armor debuff rank 1 is enough for flamethrower I can sense you have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not saying the flamethrower build won't work, but it's simply not the best overall build for the character Okay, you win.
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Post by redpill on May 13, 2017 19:47:14 GMT
lol jeez, i didn't know people here get so heated if they have a different build/playstyle
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Post by niroz on May 13, 2017 20:41:21 GMT
lol jeez, i didn't know people here get so heated if they have a different build/playstyle Uh, has nothing to do with having a different build/playstyle lol Go reread your posts and responses to them - like all of them, not just the ones here. If you still think peepz are attacking you because you have a "different build/play style", sorry...I can't help you since I don't give a shit anymore.
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Post by hobocommand3r on May 14, 2017 2:02:38 GMT
I think recon visor is fine as a 1 point ability. It really doesn't gain all that much from being maxed out. Supposedly the armor debuff on rank 6 even stops working when visor goes on cooldown, it doesn't persist for 10 seconds like you'd think it would.
I tried the max burn blinding heat build and it's legit good, much better than heavily speccing into recon visor imo.
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Post by EatYourOatmeal on May 14, 2017 2:26:19 GMT
There is no right and wrong. Some like his unique skill more, some like the flamethrower more. Heck, some might even go for a 1 point tactical cloak. If it works for them and have fun, good for them. Let's not be so dismissive please.
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Post by Roniboney on May 14, 2017 9:12:33 GMT
exactly.This is how I like building him for my playstyle.If people want to spec up flamethrower then go for it.But I've never said one build is better over the other.It's simply personal preference.
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Post by niroz on May 14, 2017 9:38:22 GMT
exactly.This is how I like building him for my playstyle.If people want to spec up flamethrower then go for it.But I've never said one build is better over the other.It's simply personal preference. No one said you were wrong for building T-Agent the way you did/do. I personally appreciate the time you took out in creating your video and providing your experiences with the setup. Your setup is obviously effective and can provide other players an enjoyable experience as well. Your setup highlights how powerful that side of the T-Agent is. +1 The beef in this thread is towards the ignorant filled bullshit remarks from an obvious individual. Build your characters how you like and please share your experiences/analysis. But don't come in here proclaiming your ignorance as fact and claiming your logic deprived opinions are absolute. Fuck that noise. This isn't directed at you Roniboney. Keep doin wat u do playa.
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Post by Roniboney on May 14, 2017 10:09:58 GMT
exactly.This is how I like building him for my playstyle.If people want to spec up flamethrower then go for it.But I've never said one build is better over the other.It's simply personal preference. No one said you were wrong for building T-Agent the way you did/do. I personally appreciate the time you took out in creating your video and providing your experiences with the setup. Your setup is obviously effective and can provide other players an enjoyable experience as well. Your setup highlights how powerful that side of the T-Agent is. +1 The beef in this thread is towards the ignorant filled bullshit remarks from an obvious individual. Build your characters how you like and please share your experiences/analysis. But don't come in here proclaiming your ignorance as fact and claiming your logic deprived opinions are absolute. Fuck that noise. This isn't directed at you Roniboney. Keep doin wat u do playa. I totally agree.Thanks for the support boss man !
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Post by dustin1280 on May 14, 2017 13:22:19 GMT
xD Redpill reminds me of vegaflash...
He clearly believes he is right regardless of what EVERYONE else tells him and refuses to accept anything but "his truth."
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