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Post by R1Outcast on May 12, 2017 21:32:55 GMT
So, these are the known facts:
* The exiles needed help surviving on Kadara because of the toxic water supply. * The Angara knew how to filter the water but refused to share the method with the exiles. They instead chose to turn a profit by selling/bartering to the struggling exiles. * The exiles begged, pleaded, and eventually tried to observe the filtration system to figure it out for themselves...Angara chased them off. * The exiles poisoned the Angara water supply, killing them all slowly, and taking the filtration method for themselves.
Anyone else not feel bad for what happened to the Angara? I feel like they got what was coming to them. Instead of being greedy, they could have shared the knowledge with the exiles and allowed the exiles to be self-sufficient. Instead, the Angara made them pay for clean water.
I actually felt a bit bad after the game made me kill the exiles at Charybdis. However, I find it pretty messed up that the exiles also started using the water to turn a profit, after nearly dying because of the Angara doing the same.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 21:42:10 GMT
It took me some time to wonder what was best and what could have been done, but to me both sides were at fault.
The Angara had lost their home to the Exiles, but the Exiles simply wanted to survive. Sadly after the Kett, the Angara are not trusting of aliens, so likely feared giving them something they could use against them.
As for the Exiles, killing was just proving their attempt on the Nexus causing them to end up there hadn't taught them a lesson. They still wanted to cause serious harm for not getting what they wanted. There was other ways to resolve things, but they took the worst route and were caught in the act.
Lack of trust and need for survival, but going about it wrong caused both their ends imo.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 12, 2017 21:57:20 GMT
I can't find fault with the Angarans. The Exiles were unwanted neighbors. The Exiles were there because of their decision to break away in the first place. The Angarans already had issues with other species, so they're paranoid about arming a potential opponent. The trading agreement was set. The humans broke it. After the first attempt of theft, I would have executed every one and then raid the human camp that same night. Take as many hostages and let the governing body know that the humans are hostile. Then let them take it from there.
(In reality, I would've set up a water filtration system right away and looked to trade for other stuff that the humans might need and that we, as Angarans, could benefit from as a species.)
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Post by Rivercurse on May 12, 2017 22:13:47 GMT
We 'invade' their galaxy, we come to their planet, take over their port, we encroach into their badlands, ask that they share their technology with us, then try to steal their technology when they refuse, then we kill them all.
How would you feel as a human if the situation were reversed?
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Post by traks on May 12, 2017 22:17:50 GMT
Spoiler section?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 22:56:12 GMT
Good discussion fodder, though it might be in the wrong forum.
The angarans' refusal to share the filtration technology is understandable. Keeping it to themselves gave them some leverage with the exiles ~ however ~ they probably should have made clean water more accessible to the exiles. As in, sure, charge them for it, but not so much that they'll be impoverished to the point where they become desperate enough to do what they did. If they have nothing to trade, extend credit or let them work it off somehow - anything to avoid that level of desperation. Had the angarans handled things differently, they could have made allies of the exiles - instead they ended up with enemies bitter enough to bring about their demise.
I didn't answer the poll, since none of the available responses are a good match for my feelings on the topic.
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Post by kino on May 12, 2017 23:07:22 GMT
In the end human nature was going to win out. I felt bad for both the settlers and the Exiles but I don't think the situation in Kadara was sustainable. Sooner or later it was going to come to a head anyway.
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Post by colfoley on May 13, 2017 1:09:23 GMT
Well...another quest i have not done.
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 13, 2017 1:45:43 GMT
They already had the water filtration plans they killed the Angara for no reason.
The Turian admits he did it, even after he didnt need to and says they deserved to die for making him trade for water.
Its revenge
Which makes it murder.
The camp got massacred by my Ryder after they attacked us for using the word "Justice"
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Post by KaiserShep on May 13, 2017 2:28:28 GMT
They already had the water filtration plans they killed the Angara for no reason. The Turian admits he did it, even after he didnt need to and says they deserved to die for making him trade for water. Its revenge Which makes it murder. The camp got massacred by my Ryder after they attacked us for using the word "Justice" I would have killed them regardless, but I thought we should have the option to spare them.
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Post by OdanUrr on May 13, 2017 2:28:32 GMT
Yes, the Angara took advantage of them. Is that reason enough to murder someone?
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 13, 2017 2:40:16 GMT
They already had the water filtration plans they killed the Angara for no reason. The Turian admits he did it, even after he didnt need to and says they deserved to die for making him trade for water. Its revenge Which makes it murder. The camp got massacred by my Ryder after they attacked us for using the word "Justice" I would have killed them regardless, but I thought we should have the option to spare them. If theyd tied to the tortured Krogan from the same camp and made the camp Roekaar it could have been more ambiguous. Outacast: They made us trade till we had nothing. Angara: They stole from us. Outcast: They tortured our friend. Angara: They poisoned our entire village.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 2:55:43 GMT
I would have killed them regardless, but I thought we should have the option to spare them. If theyd tied to the tortured Krogan from the same camp and made the camp Roekaar it could have been more ambiguous. Outacast: They made us trade till we had nothing. Angara: They stole from us. Outcast: They tortured our friend. Angara: They poisoned our entire village. and people say mea gas no good story points.
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 13, 2017 2:57:50 GMT
If theyd tied to the tortured Krogan from the same camp and made the camp Roekaar it could have been more ambiguous. Outacast: They made us trade till we had nothing. Angara: They stole from us. Outcast: They tortured our friend. Angara: They poisoned our entire village. and people say mea gas no good story points. I made that part up dude. I added two stories together to make one.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 3:39:04 GMT
and people say mea gas no good story points. I made that part up dude. I added two stories together to make one. but that is what happened. Not in that way but in a summary it did happen they way you stated it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 13, 2017 3:39:09 GMT
and people say mea gas no good story points. I made that part up dude. I added two stories together to make one. That's execution. Passes the Ryncol vintage 2289.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 9:52:23 GMT
I'm still trying to figure out what human nature has to do with any of this, since there don't seem to be any involved in these events. Humans, that is.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 13, 2017 22:23:00 GMT
I picked the middle option but it doesn't exactly reflect my views. I think they should have shared the technology but I don't think they deserved to die.
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Post by R1Outcast on May 14, 2017 1:54:04 GMT
I'm still trying to figure out what human nature has to do with any of this, since there don't seem to be any involved in these events. Humans, that is. There were humans with the exiles. Additionally...I did consider adding a bunch of other "natures" (Turian nature, Angaran nature, etc) in the poll option, but there wasn't enough room. Plus, I was confident that everyone would know what I meant by "Human nature". edit: Also, "Human nature" is not the same as survival. Humans have greed, ambition, compassion, along with other complicated traits. That goes way past the survival instincts of basic animals.
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Post by dreman999 on May 14, 2017 22:24:37 GMT
I'm still trying to figure out what human nature has to do with any of this, since there don't seem to be any involved in these events. Humans, that is. you're kinding... In dire time people act on instincts to survive. Like if you are starving to death and the only thing to eat is grabage. What do you think the person would do?
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Post by Element Zero on May 15, 2017 5:00:38 GMT
I picked the middle option but it doesn't exactly reflect my views. I think they should have shared the technology but I don't think they deserved to die. Exactly! I thought I'd found the option I liked, until I read the last part. If the one greedy angara had not pushed the desperate exiles so far, no one would've died. Still, why poison the whole community? It was most likely done out of spite. Could the exiles not have settled for stealing the designs? Why did every angara need to die?
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Post by dmc1001 on May 15, 2017 5:23:26 GMT
I picked the middle option but it doesn't exactly reflect my views. I think they should have shared the technology but I don't think they deserved to die. Exactly! I thought I'd found the option I liked, until I read the last part. If the one greedy angara had not pushed the desperate exiles so far, no one would've died. Still, why poison the whole community? It was most likely done out of spite. Could the exiles not have settled for stealing the designs? Why did every angara need to die? Either way, everyone ended up dead because I inflicted some vengeance for the dead angarans.
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Post by Element Zero on May 15, 2017 5:29:02 GMT
Exactly! I thought I'd found the option I liked, until I read the last part. If the one greedy angara had not pushed the desperate exiles so far, no one would've died. Still, why poison the whole community? It was most likely done out of spite. Could the exiles not have settled for stealing the designs? Why did every angara need to die? Either way, everyone ended up dead because I inflicted some vengeance for the dead angarans. Mallox and his people really make a bad decision to end that quest. I wouldn't necessarily have attacked them, unprovoked. There's no law enforcement in the badlands. I might've let the situation end with a "You're a horrible person, Mallox". Instead, they always attack.
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Post by gplayer on May 15, 2017 7:14:38 GMT
No law enforcement in the badlands is exactly why Ryder has to administer frontier justice. Like other have said here, none of the options in the poll reflect what I think. The Angara miscalculated the correct amount of leverage to exert over the exiles, so the exiles stole the plans and made their own filtration system. It was then poisoning the Angara out of spite that went too far. Ryder says as much in one of the dialog options.
Its not SJW its frontier justice.
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Post by duskwanderer on May 15, 2017 13:15:54 GMT
No law enforcement in the badlands is exactly why Ryder has to administer frontier justice. Like other have said here, none of the options in the poll reflect what I think. The Angara miscalculated the correct amount of leverage to exert over the exiles, so the exiles stole the plans and made their own filtration system. It was then poisoning the Angara out of spite that went too far. Ryder says as much in one of the dialog options. Its not SJW its frontier justice. I think the problem was we couldn't have Ryder talk about it like it was frontier justice. At least, I didn't get that option.
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