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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 14, 2017 21:32:23 GMT
We've only had one Salarian squadmate, right? I'm not sure if that can count as putting a stop to it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a non-science Salarian like Jondam Bau or Kirrahe as a squad mate. It'd be cool to see the martial side of Salarian culture. "We will hold the line..." One of the best cutscenes to illustrate that the Salarians are not one dimensional. They are in fact, deadly and capable. Mordin proved that and early on, Capt. Kirrahee. Yo, when he needed support, it was my moral obligation to do those side quests to insure his team made it off-planet. I loved the Salarian culture. I loved their cameos on the Citadel. I never felt that urgency in Andromeda. I either was too jaded from all the bugs, glitches and issues on the PS4 or the writing didn't connect. I'm thinking it's more of the former and not the latter. However, no great character can overcome pacing issues. Inquisition and Andromeda suffered from that. Those war table timers made absolutely zero sense in a single-player campaign.
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Post by RageUnderFire on May 14, 2017 21:36:46 GMT
Would have liked to have had raeka as a squad member, a double pathfinder team would have rocked. If this game suffers from anything then it's bland character syndrome. Take Reyes, take Sloan even, Raeka. All side characters, but there seems to have gone more love into developing them than went into the actual squad. Sarah and Scott are bland square bears. Can't run the risk of having their sidekicks outshine em by giving the former lota flavor
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Post by obatalaryder on May 15, 2017 0:10:42 GMT
I'm still perplexed as to why Bioware doesn't give us a Salarian squadmate that's the opposite of what we expect a Salarian to be. Having a Tazzik on the squad would have been refreshing.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 13:24:35 GMT
I frankly do not see how the similarity to one of the ME characters was a factor. I think the problem is not so much with cutting the Salarian squaddie per se, it is with them limiting the Tempest cast to the council races + Krogan. I don't think anyone would have complained if Alec was his own man and brought a crew made up from non-humans for the trip (after all he did things his own way on more than one occasion). One thing about the settings with a lot of races is that a player expects a menagerie in the crew, and the limit on the species featured that was there to not tax to the limits an already expensive move to the Frostbite, really hurt the Tempest cast.
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Post by abaris on May 15, 2017 13:50:44 GMT
One thing about the settings with a lot of races is that a player expects a menagerie in the crew, and the limit on the species featured that was there to not tax to the limits an already expensive move to the Frostbite, really hurt the Tempest cast. The move to Frostbyte already happened with DAI, so I don't see it having much influence on the development of MEA.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:09:44 GMT
One thing about the settings with a lot of races is that a player expects a menagerie in the crew, and the limit on the species featured that was there to not tax to the limits an already expensive move to the Frostbite, really hurt the Tempest cast. The move to Frostbyte already happened with DAI, so I don't see it having much influence on the development of MEA. Dai has only 4 species that were transplanted as playable avatars, and they are based of common fantasy species, some of them might be available already, and all heads are derivations of humans'. At least that's my hypothesis as to why the elves are so short and skinny in DA:I vs previous two games. All the MW species have non-standard bodies, and even more non0standard heads. They very obviously could not afford shaping multiple heads for each species in FB even for the three races we've got, by whatever production reasons.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2017 14:20:57 GMT
When the sequel is released, Ryder will be able to recruit a salarian to replace the liam guy or the stowaway. Take your pick.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:22:56 GMT
When the sequel is released, Ryder will be able to recruit a salarian to replace the liam guy or the stowaway. Take your pick. make it a M!Quarian to replace Gil, and I will throw a party.
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Post by riotinducer on May 15, 2017 14:27:23 GMT
I can't really argue here, but that's because I've always considered the companions of each DA game to have more substance on average than their Mass Effect counterparts. There's no truly proper equivalent of characters like Morrigan or even Varric (Garrus is basically Diet Varric) or Cassandra or Solas. Dorian is one of my favorite of the lot, and I enjoyed that my F!quisitor could flirt with him playfully and his being gay never got in the way of their playful banter, not unless you actually wanted it to (post-personal quest dialogue). I like Gil fine, and think he's more than whatever Adams ever offered as a character, given his role on the ship, but I feel a lot can be learned from the other side of BioWare's IP's. I always played a straight guy, whether DA or ME. It's me, this is how I roleplay (Everyone, go ahead, slap those foreheads and say, "That's not how you do it. Get that huge stick out of your tush!") and I loved Dorian. Dorian, was just as scared and concerned about Corypheous (sp?) as I did. He was the gay version of Alistair and I loved Alistair. Dorian was a properly, developed character that I cared about gay or straight. I appreciated the writing that went into his character and he is definitely in my top 10 all-time greatest companions. He's there with the best of them and helped literally carry Inquisition through his banter. That's writing. Not "let's bang, okay?" Just going to chime in on this. I rarely play gay characters, but Dorian was by far my favorite character from Inquisition. And that's saying a lot, as I felt the companion writing in DA:I was exceptional even for BioWare, and it honestly saved the game in my eyes. By contrast with Gil, I've honestly never felt more apathy toward a companion/crew character in a BioWare game. I don't dislike him, but I struggle to find anything positive to say about him either. He's just there.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:28:39 GMT
Here he is, but spoilers, so don't look unless you want to. Go to 6:24 of the vid.
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Post by sdzald on May 15, 2017 15:37:44 GMT
Their reasoning was that the salarian squadmate felt to similar to another squadmate from a previous ME game. My guess was that they basically made Mordin 2.0 lol. No, I heard one dev said he was too similar to Garrus. I don't see any problem with it, since for some people Drack is just another, slightly different Wrex (just an example). I think they just ran out of time and made an excuse. Don't get me wrong I liked Wrex but Drack playing the 'grumpy old man' seemed to have a lot more insight then Wrex. Drak was the only squad mate I liked at all in MEA. IF I had the choice, something Bioware has taken away from us, I would of left Peebee on that volcano world at the end of her loyalty mission and Liam would have been sent packing to the Nexus. It has to be my biggest gripe about this game, I can NOT stand any of the characters, to include Ryder. Not fun playing with characters I wish would just die.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2017 16:25:28 GMT
make it a M!Quarian to replace Gil, and I will throw a party. Its possible Ryder might have the opportunity to recruit one in a sequel.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 16:31:02 GMT
make it a M!Quarian to replace Gil, and I will throw a party. Its possible Ryder might have the opportunity to recruit one in a sequel. Oh, themikefest everything is possible. Some things are even probable. That's why anticipation aka hype is always more customizable than the actual thing. Lol. Sometimes, I do badly miss the innocent times when engines were so simple, you could over-write Gil's race with a Quarian and not break the game.
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Post by n7ltrobbiesann7 on May 15, 2017 16:55:05 GMT
We've only had one Salarian squadmate, right? I'm not sure if that can count as putting a stop to it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a non-science Salarian like Jondam Bau or Kirrahe as a squad mate. It'd be cool to see the martial side of Salarian culture. Yeah, a hardened military type Salarian could be a good addition. Just a thought.
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Post by RageUnderFire on May 15, 2017 17:27:44 GMT
I'm still perplexed as to why Bioware doesn't give us a Salarian squadmate that's the opposite of what we expect a Salarian to be. Having a Tazzik on the squad would have been refreshing. Too much of a thug for most playing the game The people on this board identify more with Ryder than Shepard THat tells us everything we need to know
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Post by rolenka on May 15, 2017 17:35:45 GMT
I'm sure now that they've had more time we'll get a chance to buy him as DLC lololol
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Post by abaris on May 15, 2017 18:07:04 GMT
Just going to chime in on this. I rarely play gay characters, but Dorian was by far my favorite character from Inquisition. And that's saying a lot, as I felt the companion writing in DA:I was exceptional even for BioWare, and it honestly saved the game in my eyes. By contrast with Gil, I've honestly never felt more apathy toward a companion/crew character in a BioWare game. I don't dislike him, but I struggle to find anything positive to say about him either. He's just there. Amen to both of your points. I made another post where I called Gil the cardboard of cardboards. For him they really seemed to have a checklist to tick off. Gay, check. Best female friend, check. Wanting to become a parent, check. Introduce best female friend, check. Becoming a parent, check. I'm a straight male, but I found the presentation of his character to be an insult to gay people. I cringed at every step of the way, whereas Dorian was an amusing and refreshing character, who even did flirt with females, since he was so in love with himself. He also didn't rub his being gay into your face at the first given opportunity, but more or less revealed it in the scene with his father. So, yes, the characters of DAI were top notch. Which probably added to my disappointment with this set of companions. They all leave me cold.
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Post by pantherdane on May 15, 2017 18:28:03 GMT
i wouldn't go that far. He was like number five. But they all tend to blend together after thane. Mordin's voice actors (there were two) sold their character. Mordin, too me, is the perfect representation of the Salarians. The Krogan grudgingly respect them. Also, as a combat medic, I totally agree with his philosphy: “Lots of ways to help people. Sometimes heal patients; sometimes execute dangerous people. Either way helps.” And he could sing. And he sacrificed himself willingly. The universe wouldn't allow a substitute. It had to be him. Someone else would've gotten it wrong. He's in my top 5, too. #5, to be exact. You can save Mordin and cure the genophage.
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Post by mofojokers on May 15, 2017 18:45:41 GMT
Just going to chime in on this. I rarely play gay characters, but Dorian was by far my favorite character from Inquisition. And that's saying a lot, as I felt the companion writing in DA:I was exceptional even for BioWare, and it honestly saved the game in my eyes. By contrast with Gil, I've honestly never felt more apathy toward a companion/crew character in a BioWare game. I don't dislike him, but I struggle to find anything positive to say about him either. He's just there. Amen to both of your points. I made another post where I called Gil the cardboard of cardboards. For him they really seemed to have a checklist to tick off. Gay, check. Best female friend, check. Wanting to become a parent, check. Introduce best female friend, check. Becoming a parent, check. I'm a straight male, but I found the presentation of his character to be an insult to gay people. I cringed at every step of the way, whereas Dorian was an amusing and refreshing character, who even did flirt with females, since he was so in love with himself. He also didn't rub his being gay into your face at the first given opportunity, but more or less revealed it in the scene with his father. So, yes, the characters of DAI were top notch. Which probably added to my disappointment with this set of companions. They all leave me cold. Don't worry Gil is a joke all around not just for straight males. Bioware puts alot of effort into saying hey we have all colours, sexual orientations , social ethics and even transgender people (normally just one poor sod😂). This time we also got the religious Suvi that was very annoying and less than good looking females. These checklist character's tend to be very bland. Normally they are saying things to cover all sides. I actually did like the DAI characters for the most part they were pretty interesting. But i tend to enjoy renegade or rule by fear type heroes. Found this to be an issue to do really since ME 1-3 with Bioware games.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2017 19:13:25 GMT
You can save Mordin and cure the genophage. Really? Can you explain how that is possible?
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Post by Furisco on May 15, 2017 19:13:49 GMT
Get rid of Peebee and Liam and give me a badass Salarian and Quarian in MEA2 biover.
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Post by abaris on May 15, 2017 19:18:17 GMT
You can save Mordin and cure the genophage. How? Far as I am aware it's cinematic with a few interrupts once you reach the tower. So more to the point, how did you save Mordin and cure the genophage?
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Post by RageUnderFire on May 15, 2017 19:21:16 GMT
Get rid of Peebee and Liam and give me a badass Salarian and Quarian in MEA2 biover. Jaal gets to go home to an early retirement also I'd take a Drell over Jaal any day
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 19:28:43 GMT
Get rid of Peebee and Liam and give me a badass Salarian and Quarian in MEA2 biover. Only if they also either bring Reyes in or replace Liam with a hot human male (I recommend taking a look at DA2 since that's the only game that had hot human males I personally liked in addition to the above mentioned Pavus). quarian I want as a replacement to Gil. Gil has to go, period. He had a couple of fun char development avenues, his insomnia and writing bad poetry, but they royally messed it up with Jill's subplot, and there is no way out of this character trap. please, just let him settle into raising his son or daughter, and place a more compelling engineer on the crew. His heart is not in this whole pathfinding thing. He wants to be a dad. A badass Salarian... I know I might be blaspheming, but I think Vetra has had her great moment and can now retire as well, in favour of a Salarian commando.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 15, 2017 19:30:55 GMT
They're squishy. No need. Let the one drive my space bus.
For the sequel, I want the squadmates except maybe Drack and Cora, to be all completely new alien species throughout Andromeda.
I wrote about the storyline in another thread, but basically we are recruiting the other races across the galaxy who have also been exhaulted by the Kett. To stop the Remnant/Jaardan
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