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Post by Iddy on May 15, 2017 13:32:32 GMT
I really enjoy the fact that you're able to romance a LI whose views are the opposite of the character you're playing. Back in DAO, the progress of the relationship was approval based, which meant not taking Morrigan to Redcliffe or not condemning Zevran's career choice. You had to share the LI's opinion at least in a few topics.
Then one day, DA2 came along and gave us much greater roleplay freedom. It felt so good to be able to openly disagree with every word the LI says and still romance them. But... that isn't without its negative side. It liberates the player and restrains the companions, as it is now impossible for them to truly hate you no matter what you do.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:14:53 GMT
It's a better system than any other. Rivalry does not mean they hate your guts, more often it is about being in disagreement on a particular issue. Companions will still break up with the PC if you do something truly abhorrent to them. Anders breaks up with you if you give Fenrieal soul to the demon, Fenris breaks up with you if you are not true to him and Sebastian will not engage with a PC that is not chaste. So, rivalry does not mean the characters will romance you no matter what.
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Post by Iddy on May 15, 2017 14:46:36 GMT
It's a better system than any other. Rivalry does not mean they hate your guts, more often it is about being in disagreement on a particular issue. Companions will still break up with the PC if you do something truly abhorrent to them. Anders breaks up with you if you give Fenrieal soul to the demon, Fenris breaks up with you if you are not true to him and Sebastian will not engage with a PC that is not chaste. So, rivalry does not mean the characters will romance you no matter what. It still allows you to disagree with them more openly and more often than an approval based romance would, though.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:48:50 GMT
It's a better system than any other. Rivalry does not mean they hate your guts, more often it is about being in disagreement on a particular issue. Companions will still break up with the PC if you do something truly abhorrent to them. Anders breaks up with you if you give Fenrieal soul to the demon, Fenris breaks up with you if you are not true to him and Sebastian will not engage with a PC that is not chaste. So, rivalry does not mean the characters will romance you no matter what. It still allows you to disagree with them more openly and more often than an approval based romance would, though. I like that. I would prefer all romances to be structured the way they are in DA2. It's the best I have seen in any game I've played. Plot important, bisexual, rivalry/friendship paths, all handsome/pretty.
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Post by Catilina on May 15, 2017 16:38:21 GMT
On one hand, the rivalry doesn't mean hatred. On the other hand, this can mean hatred, and while this system works smoothly if Hawke not in romance with the rival companion. The romance is more complicated than that. It depends on the characters, and what Hawke think about the "love". S/He needs a real partner, or just someone who good in the bed.
Isabela: The rivalry romance working well, I think, if, Isabela doesn't get bored from her serious partner, later... Merrill: She's a blood mage, and she will not give up this. She working on this mirror, what perhaps is meaningless for Hawke. If Hawke considers to idiot Merrill's whole obsession about her people's history, then I think, the romance is not really healthy. Perhaps there is some chance to change, if Hawke help her to find a new goal (work for the city elves). Fenris: The rivalry can working well, if Hawke not supports the slavery. There are some idiot answers in this version, but no one of them hurts Fenris. In rivalry Hawke only wants to convince him, that s/he or his/her sister also deserves freedom, just as anyone else. Friendship or rivalry with him only depend on Hawke's temper, because Hawke can be honest radical pro-mage without any compromise, and still support him. This is clear, if at the Act3 Fenris finally able to continuing their love-relationship. Anders: The rivalry romance with him a mere sexual attraction, without any ideological/spiritual interest. "I hate your politics, I hate your 'demon', but I like your sexy tortured gaze and nice ass." But Anders loves Hawke. The rivalry romance will crush him.
Te system have many flaws, but very enjoyable and believable, just as Hawke's somehow "carton-like", but surprisingly real character.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 7:46:02 GMT
I think it fits DA2s athmosphere. Every romance choice in that game has serious flaws and it's not hard to see Hawke doesn't liking them but still being attracted to them. Although this formula wouldn't have worked in other games imo
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 14:19:05 GMT
I think it fits DA2s athmosphere. Every romance choice in that game has serious flaws and it's not hard to see Hawke doesn't liking them but still being attracted to them. Although this formula wouldn't have worked in other games imo Would have worked just fine in DA:O & Inquisition. Would have improved Inquisition ten-fold if they would have focused fewer more interesting romances, allowed rivalry and made them more plot-important and more talkative and dropped off all the fluff and way, way, way too many characters with little to nothing to contribute. Should have been Dorian, Cullen, Josephine and Cassandra, all in-party, and cut out completely the pointless "filler" characters like Sera, Blackwall, Vivienne, Iron Bull, Varric and Leliana.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 15:53:16 GMT
I think it fits DA2s athmosphere. Every romance choice in that game has serious flaws and it's not hard to see Hawke doesn't liking them but still being attracted to them. Although this formula wouldn't have worked in other games imo Would have worked just fine in DA:O & Inquisition. Would have improved Inquisition ten-fold if they would have focused fewer more interesting romances, allowed rivalry and made them more plot-important and more talkative and dropped off all the fluff and way, way, way too many characters with little to nothing to contribute. Should have been Dorian, Cullen, Josephine and Cassandra, all in-party, and cut out completely the pointless "filler" characters like Sera, Blackwall, Vivienne, Iron Bull, Varric and Leliana. You can't really love someone who uses their power and influence to fuck the world up. It is not realistic. In DA2 your choices were mostly on a personal level so you cannot be really considered evil. In Origins and Inquisition your choices can make you evil and none of the people there would've loved someone who is a bad guy. It can happen in movies but it's not realistic. Btw Iron Bull, Vivienne, Varric and Leliana are filler characters ? Really? This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard after people saying ME2 is bad
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 16:23:14 GMT
Would have worked just fine in DA:O & Inquisition. Would have improved Inquisition ten-fold if they would have focused fewer more interesting romances, allowed rivalry and made them more plot-important and more talkative and dropped off all the fluff and way, way, way too many characters with little to nothing to contribute. Should have been Dorian, Cullen, Josephine and Cassandra, all in-party, and cut out completely the pointless "filler" characters like Sera, Blackwall, Vivienne, Iron Bull, Varric and Leliana. You can't really love someone who uses their power and influence to fuck the world up. It is not realistic. In DA2 your choices were mostly on a personal level so you cannot be really considered evil. In Origins and Inquisition your choices can make you evil and none of the people there would've loved someone who is a bad guy. It can happen in movies but it's not realistic. Btw Iron Bull, Vivienne, Varric and Leliana are filler characters ? Really? This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard after people saying ME2 is bad Ah. I think the feeling is mutual. I suggest we acknowledge the difference of opinions and leave it at that. 
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 17:02:34 GMT
You can't really love someone who uses their power and influence to fuck the world up. It is not realistic. In DA2 your choices were mostly on a personal level so you cannot be really considered evil. In Origins and Inquisition your choices can make you evil and none of the people there would've loved someone who is a bad guy. It can happen in movies but it's not realistic. Btw Iron Bull, Vivienne, Varric and Leliana are filler characters ? Really? This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard after people saying ME2 is bad Ah. I think the feeling is mutual. I suggest we acknowledge the difference of opinions and leave it at that.  Lol acknowladging differences on the internet is a very rare thing to see
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Post by mmoblitz on May 17, 2017 23:51:11 GMT
For me, the system in DA2 is the best of the DA series and even the ME series. I think the companions are as well. I have enjoyed my time in DA2 more than in the other games.
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Post by Gileadan on May 18, 2017 12:00:12 GMT
Rivalry as it was implemented in DA2 was awful in my opinion. It might have made sense if something like "attraction" was tracked completely separately, but without that it made no sense. Why be loyal to someone who antagonizes you and questions your world view at every opportunity? Maybe if the character in question was a needy doormat (not saying we didn't have any of those in DA2  ), but anyone with a spine would tell the protagonist to go screw themselves and get out of Dodge. So far, I found any implementation of approval in the DA series pretty bad. I get the idea behind it, but the opportunities that changed a companion's approval were not well implemented. The longer we know someone, the bigger the thing that is needed to make us change our opinion about them, and the DA systems never accounted for that. If I've known and liked someone for months, I won't suddenly like them less because they made a joke I didn't like or a decision I didn't support - unless they blow up a chantry or something. The DA approval system gave me the feeling that I was surrounded by mercurial mollycoddles who liked me as long as I did what they liked. Not the type of friend I'd want in real life. A good approval system, if needed at all, should quit the bean counting and limit itself to big decisions concerning the companion in question.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 27, 2017 7:06:32 GMT
I like it in theory. But in practice I felt locked into going "all or nothing" with their approval or disapproval in dialogue or who to bring with me when making choices, so I wouldn't lose them at certain key moments. If they didn't get lukewarm feelings from both agreeing and disagreeing on things (which is normal in relationships)... then maybe I'd enjoy it more. It's also weird that someone who rivaled you 100% is more likely to stick around than someone who is "meh" about you.
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Post by Catilina on May 27, 2017 8:38:02 GMT
I like it in theory. But in practice I felt locked into going "all or nothing" with their approval or disapproval in dialogue or who to bring with me when making choices, so I wouldn't lose them at certain key moments. If they didn't leave at lukewarm feelings... then maybe? It's weird that someone who rivaled you 100% is more likey to stick around than someone who is "meh" about you. A 100% rivalry means, that Hawke cares about this companion, even if they don't agree in everything. The neutral zone (virtually) means, that Hawke Does not care at all about this character. So: while in rivalry Hawke often visits him/her, talks, argues with his/her about his/her problems, the neutral Hawke leaves him/her alone with the problems. Fenris, for example, if join to the Templars against Hawke, tell to Hawke, that s/he never showed interest toward his opinions.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 27, 2017 8:42:35 GMT
I like it in theory. But in practice I felt locked into going "all or nothing" with their approval or disapproval in dialogue or who to bring with me when making choices, so I wouldn't lose them at certain key moments. If they didn't leave at lukewarm feelings... then maybe? It's weird that someone who rivaled you 100% is more likey to stick around than someone who is "meh" about you. A 100% rivalry means, that Hawke cares about this companion, even if they don't agree in everything. The neutral zone (virtually) means, that Hawke Does not care at all about this character. So: while in rivalry Hawke often visits him/her, talks, argues with his/her about his/her problems, while neutral leave him/her alone with the problems. Fenris, for example, if join to the Templars against Hawke, tell to Hawke, that s/he never showed interest toward his opinion. I get that, but the lukewarm feelings simply because they don't agree or disagree 100% on everything always struck me as odd. They've been spending time with each other for what? 7 years? And just because they have a dynamic relationship of different agreements and disagreements it's lukewarm? I didn't like it.
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Post by Catilina on May 27, 2017 9:12:37 GMT
A 100% rivalry means, that Hawke cares about this companion, even if they don't agree in everything. The neutral zone (virtually) means, that Hawke Does not care at all about this character. So: while in rivalry Hawke often visits him/her, talks, argues with his/her about his/her problems, while neutral leave him/her alone with the problems. Fenris, for example, if join to the Templars against Hawke, tell to Hawke, that s/he never showed interest toward his opinion. I get that, but the lukewarm feelings simply because they don't agree or disagree 100% on everything always struck me as odd. They've been spending time with each other for what? 7 years? And just because they have a dynamic relationship of different agreements and disagreements it's lukewarm? I didn't like it. Because the companions need Hawke, and Hawke needs the companions. Later this Interest-based relationship can grow to friendship. This friendship would be agreement-based, but this is not necessarily. Again Fenris: he maybe doesn't agree with Hawke about the mage issues, but this is just a part of their relationship. This question often arises, but the other scenes with him show, that not always. Fenris has more important issues in his life, than the mage stuff, and Hawke helps him to solve his most important problems. Same Aveline. Perhaps Hawke's not really lawful and doesn't have a strong morality, but still can help her, if she needs Hawke's help. Merrill a bit more complicated, but Hawke is her only friend, even if doesn't like blood magic. And later can help to find Merrill a new goal. Isabela probably can see rival!Hawke's good points. Sebastian's rivalry brings his secret desires to the surface, and he's probably trying to argue against this feelings, but can't. I think, despite his faith, he likes this. Varric? I don't know, really, what he can like in rival!Hawke. Anders is completely different. His motivation of standing by Hawke is more difficult to understand, but I will try. He needs Hawke's help too, and because at this moment seems Hawke's the only person, with whom he can ask help, then he starts to insist him/her. He's uncertain about himself, because of Justice, and Hawke can exploit this feeling to influencing his vulnerable mind. In romance, this relationship is unhealthy. But I'm not a psychiatrist... ofc, these just lame tips, no more.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 27, 2017 9:27:33 GMT
I get that, but the lukewarm feelings simply because they don't agree or disagree 100% on everything always struck me as odd. They've been spending time with each other for what? 7 years? And just because they have a dynamic relationship of different agreements and disagreements it's lukewarm? I didn't like it. Because the companions need Hawke, and Hawke needs the companions. Later this Interest-based relationship can grow to friendship. This friendship would be agreement-based, but this is not necessarily. Again Fenris: he maybe doesn't agree with Hawke about the mage issues, but this is just a part of their relationship. This question often arises, but the other scenes with him show, that not always. Fenris has more important issues in his life, than the mage stuff, and Hawke helps him to solve his most important problems. Same Aveline. Perhaps Hawke's not really lawful and doesn't have a strong morality, but still can help her, if she needs Hawke's help. Merrill a bit more complicated, but Hawke is her only friend, even if doesn't like blood magic. And later can help to find Merrill a new goal. Isabela probably can see rival!Hawke's good points. Varric? I don't know, really, what he can like in rival!Hawke. Anders is completely different. His motivation of standing by Hawke is more difficult to understand, but I will try. He needs Hawke's help too, and because at this moment seems Hawke's the only person, with whom he can ask help, then he starts to insist him/her. He's uncertain about himself, because of Justice, and Hawke can exploit this feeling to influencing his vulnerable mind. In romance, this relationship is unhealthy. But I'm not psychiatrist... ofc, these only tips. My main confusion is with Anders, because Justice and belief in his mage cause go hand in hand. Only in rivalry, can Hawke tell him joining with Justice was a bad idea. Friendship encourages him, even if you just want Hawke to be pro-mage liberation. Another example was with Isabela. I don't remember what I did wrong that one time, but Hawke talked to her plenty and took her around but she still got the hell out of Dodge at the end of Act 2 because they were still too neutral. Anyway, I felt it was too tedious of a system with Friendship and Rivalry working against each other, so I found myself doing a lot of meta-gaming to plan their relationships before talking or going around Kirkwall doing stuff. I didn't care for it myself. Others apparently do, and that's fine of course.
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Post by Rascoth on May 27, 2017 9:45:10 GMT
One thing about friendship/rivalry system that bothers me is that it appeared in DA2 and DA2 only. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad it was there, it gave more flexibility with companions (if you wanted, most of the time I go all friendship path), but you'd think something like friendship/rivalry would fit better the game where you band together against greater threat. Like DAO/DAI or DAA for that matter, where all companions are under your command.
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Post by Catilina on May 27, 2017 9:50:58 GMT
Because the companions need Hawke, and Hawke needs the companions. Later this Interest-based relationship can grow to friendship. This friendship would be agreement-based, but this is not necessarily. Again Fenris: he maybe doesn't agree with Hawke about the mage issues, but this is just a part of their relationship. This question often arises, but the other scenes with him show, that not always. Fenris has more important issues in his life, than the mage stuff, and Hawke helps him to solve his most important problems. Same Aveline. Perhaps Hawke's not really lawful and doesn't have a strong morality, but still can help her, if she needs Hawke's help. Merrill a bit more complicated, but Hawke is her only friend, even if doesn't like blood magic. And later can help to find Merrill a new goal. Isabela probably can see rival!Hawke's good points. Varric? I don't know, really, what he can like in rival!Hawke. Anders is completely different. His motivation of standing by Hawke is more difficult to understand, but I will try. He needs Hawke's help too, and because at this moment seems Hawke's the only person, with whom he can ask help, then he starts to insist him/her. He's uncertain about himself, because of Justice, and Hawke can exploit this feeling to influencing his vulnerable mind. In romance, this relationship is unhealthy. But I'm not psychiatrist... ofc, these only tips. My main confusion is with Anders, because Justice and belief in his mage cause go hand in hand. Only in rivalry, can Hawke tell him joining with Justice was a bad idea. Friendship encourages him, even if you just want Hawke to be pro-mage liberation. Another example was with Isabela. I don't remember what I did wrong that one time, but Hawke talked to her plenty and took her around but she still got the hell out of Dodge at the end of Act 2 because they were still too neutral. Anyway, I felt it was too tedious of a system with Friendship and Rivalry working against each other, so I found myself doing a lot of meta-gaming to plan their relationships before talking or going around Kirkwall doing stuff. I didn't care for it myself. Others apparently do, and that's fine of course. I think Anders case is logical: Hawke can't befriend with him, if consider him an abomination. Of course in friendship, Justice's okay. Justice his most sensitive point, I think a friend try to help him to keep his sanity, instead of endangering his life because of an irreversible process. I really like that the friendship confirms his faith and strengthen him even against Hawke, if s/he betray him at the finish. Bethany, for example, is his friend. Probably she never would capable of doing such a thing, what Anders did with Justice, but she understands him, and wants to help him. Some people likes rivalry with him, because they want to "fix" him, with keep away Justice from him. But this is a dangerous nonsense: Justice already inside him, and he's not a broken car to fix... Of course, the friendship/rivalry system isn't perfect, but somehow explainable and a lot of fun.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 27, 2017 10:01:02 GMT
My main confusion is with Anders, because Justice and belief in his mage cause go hand in hand. Only in rivalry, can Hawke tell him joining with Justice was a bad idea. Friendship encourages him, even if you just want Hawke to be pro-mage liberation. Another example was with Isabela. I don't remember what I did wrong that one time, but Hawke talked to her plenty and took her around but she still got the hell out of Dodge at the end of Act 2 because they were still too neutral. Anyway, I felt it was too tedious of a system with Friendship and Rivalry working against each other, so I found myself doing a lot of meta-gaming to plan their relationships before talking or going around Kirkwall doing stuff. I didn't care for it myself. Others apparently do, and that's fine of course. I think Anders case is logical: Hawke can't befriend with him, if consider him an abomination. Of course in friendship, Justice's okay. Justice his most sensitive point, I think a friend try to help him to keep his sanity, instead of endangering his life because of an irreversible process. I really like that the friendship confirms his faith and strengthen him even against Hawke, if s/he betray him at the finish. Bethany, for example, is his friend. Probably she never would capable of doing such a thing, what Anders did with Justice, but she understands him, and wants to help him. Some people likes rivalry with him, because they want to "fix" him, with keep away Justice from him. But this is a dangerous nonsense: Justice already inside him. But what if Hawke is pro-mage liberation but not OK with Justice? It may be more of a trait of Anders himself though, since he sees Justice as an integral part of mage liberation. I will admit it's been at least 3 or 4 years since I played DA2, though, so my memory is fuzzy on the mechanics of Friendship and Rivalry. I just remember it feeling tedious the way it was implemented.
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Post by Catilina on May 27, 2017 10:19:39 GMT
I think Anders case is logical: Hawke can't befriend with him, if consider him an abomination. Of course in friendship, Justice's okay. Justice his most sensitive point, I think a friend try to help him to keep his sanity, instead of endangering his life because of an irreversible process. I really like that the friendship confirms his faith and strengthen him even against Hawke, if s/he betray him at the finish. Bethany, for example, is his friend. Probably she never would capable of doing such a thing, what Anders did with Justice, but she understands him, and wants to help him. Some people likes rivalry with him, because they want to "fix" him, with keep away Justice from him. But this is a dangerous nonsense: Justice already inside him. But what if Hawke is pro-mage liberation but not OK with Justice? It may be more of a trait of Anders himself though, since he sees Justice as an integral part of mage liberation. I will admit it's been at least 3 or 4 years since I played DA2, though, so my memory is fuzzy on the mechanics of Friendship and Rivalry. I just remember it feeling tedious the way it was implemented. I know, what you want to say, but why Hawke wants to crush him, if believes, that he's right and feel, he's a friend? Because of Justice? After Karl and Ella's case, Hawke can express his/her feelings about Justice (negative or positive too), and still can stay in friendship with him. And as people said, the rivalry's open with him, even if Hawke supports the freedom of the mages. I probably see, your problem is, that Justice doesn't take the control over Anders in friendship. But why he would do such a thing, if Hawke doesn't threat Anders? Yes, it's unjust, that friendly Hawke doesn't see Justice and even Anders works with manifestos. Only thing can explain that: Anders doesn't have any significant problem with Justice in friendship.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 27, 2017 10:29:09 GMT
But what if Hawke is pro-mage liberation but not OK with Justice? It may be more of a trait of Anders himself though, since he sees Justice as an integral part of mage liberation. I will admit it's been at least 3 or 4 years since I played DA2, though, so my memory is fuzzy on the mechanics of Friendship and Rivalry. I just remember it feeling tedious the way it was implemented. I know, what you want to say, but why Hawke wants to crush him, if believes, that he's right and feel, he's a friend? Because of Justice? After Karl and Ella's case, Hawke can express his/her feelings about Justice (negative or positive too), and still can stay in friendship with him. And as people said, the rivalry's open with him, even if Hawke supports the freedom of the mages. I probably see, your problem is, that Justice doesn't take the control over Anders in friendship. But why he would do such a thing, if Hawke doesn't threat Anders? I hope I'm not derailing the thread into another Anders debate. It wasn't my intention here. I just used it as an example of how rigid the Friendship vs. Rivalry system felt. It was either/or and very little room for nuance in their relationships. It may be just a trait of the approval system as a whole in DA, as was mentioned before, so I shouldn't specifically target DA2's different approach. But, the neutral zone just felt odd after all the time they spent together, and only by filling the bar in either direction, will they stand by Hawke.
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Post by Catilina on May 27, 2017 10:41:59 GMT
I know, what you want to say, but why Hawke wants to crush him, if believes, that he's right and feel, he's a friend? Because of Justice? After Karl and Ella's case, Hawke can express his/her feelings about Justice (negative or positive too), and still can stay in friendship with him. And as people said, the rivalry's open with him, even if Hawke supports the freedom of the mages. I probably see, your problem is, that Justice doesn't take the control over Anders in friendship. But why he would do such a thing, if Hawke doesn't threat Anders? I hope I'm not derailing the thread into another Anders debate. It wasn't my intention here. I just used it as an example of how rigid the Friendship vs. Rivalry system felt. It was either/or and very little room for nuance in their relationships. It may be just a trait of the approval system as a whole in DA, as was mentioned before, so I shouldn't specifically target DA2's different approach. But, the neutral zone just felt odd after all the time they spent together, and only by filling the bar in either direction, will they stand by Hawke. Many people do not like the system as you are, I just tried to explain some of the open questions, but you also have good points in this theme, because there are many flaws in the system. For example, back to Anders, WHY rival!Hawke accepts Anders' requestfor Elthina's distraction? Rival!Hawke 1. doesn't want to free mages; 2. wants to free mages, but doesn't trust Justice, then doesn't trust Anders... About that this topic becomes another Anders debate: the whole DA2 about the mage issues, so he's inevitable.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 27, 2017 10:55:16 GMT
I hope I'm not derailing the thread into another Anders debate. It wasn't my intention here. I just used it as an example of how rigid the Friendship vs. Rivalry system felt. It was either/or and very little room for nuance in their relationships. It may be just a trait of the approval system as a whole in DA, as was mentioned before, so I shouldn't specifically target DA2's different approach. But, the neutral zone just felt odd after all the time they spent together, and only by filling the bar in either direction, will they stand by Hawke. Many people do not like the system as you are, I just tried to explain some of the open questions, but you also have good points in this theme, because there are many flaws in the system. For example, back to Anders, WHY rival!Hawke accepts Anders' requestfor Elthina's distraction? Rival!Hawke 1. doesn't want to free mages; 2. wants to free mages, but doesn't trust Justice, then doesn't trust Anders... About that this topic becomes another Anders debate: the whole DA2 about the mage issues, so he's inevitable.Ha, yeah I can see that happening. As a rule I try to stay out of the hot topic debates in BSN (mages/Anders, elves, geth/quarian, genophage, and so on). Things tend to get heated here, and it isn't always pleasant. You have been nice though 
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Post by Rascoth on May 27, 2017 11:03:55 GMT
But, the neutral zone just felt odd after all the time they spent together, and only by filling the bar in either direction, will they stand by Hawke. I think that's the main problem many people have with friendship/rivalry system. And I don't blame them. We got it in the longest - when it comes to timespan - game. It feels strange to be in middle zone after all those years. Which makes me wonder if it wasn't better if - by the Act 3 for example - some companions just left you, refused to go with you or you had to do something additional for them to keep them by your side if you didn't achieve certain friendship/rivalry level (Isabela kinda fits here already). Or something to do with those 2 3-years skips. What if, after each skip, certain, set value would be added to our chosen path? Like, pursuing rivalry with Fenris, but still not max? I'm certain you did something to piss him off during those 3 years, so here's +10 to rivalry at the start of next Act. Loose ideas and tbh I don't know how well those would work in game, but they could help dealing with that constant indifference.
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