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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2017 1:49:35 GMT
OK, here comes a ramble.
Tl:Dr - Playing Citadel DLC on my final playthrough of ME3, using MEHEM because reasons, and I realize that the DLC is hot garbage in all categories except, erhem, gameplay. Ergo, Montreal needs to be airlocked.
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OK, so I decided a couple months ago to do one last Trilogy playthrough, with MEHEM for the first time so maybe there isn't a terrible taste in my mouth left over when I think about Shepard and the trilogy story.
ME1 was great. Sure the graphics are dated, and the planets are very similar in some ways, but there is exploration abundant for those who want it, and yet you can max all your collections and still miss a lot of the universe. There is an actual reason to explore - you can find things that aren't there for any other reason than to surprise you. The gunplay is rough, but the powers are a blast and really despite the KotOR rehash, it was really well done and fun.
ME2 was fun, as usual. The combat actually annoys the shit out of me now, as I am used to ME3 mechanics and lolnope on the game letting you fight the way you want to. Formulaic as hell, and boring, but the character stories still work well, and until Big Baby Terminator the SM is still awesome.
ME3.... Wow, here's some lack of rose tint for you MEA apologists: the game is pretty bad. Eavesdropping Shepard the Creeper helping people the weird way, with lots of fighting and stuff. Hardly any cinematic cutscenes with your crewmates, fetch quests galore... It is a Harbinger of things to come, eg DAI, MEA.
Now we get to the Citadel. Finished Rannoch, decided to "have fun" before the end game. Oops.
First, Brooks. Yes, I get that she is as annoying as possible from jump, and that is her cover. What isn't her cover is her goddawful VO, inconsistent as hell in accent and tone. Just fucking amateur.
Then, the general tone.... Shepard is getting shot at on street clothes, and everyone has a one-liner quip to just cheese the situation to junior high school. Jokes, banter, so much fun.... If you're a fucking idiot that has totally forgotten the entire stake of the galaxy is on the line, and that Shepard is the key to the whole enchilada.
I could go on, but I am getting indigestion. Biower Montreal made this cheesefest, and I now see what had eluded me previously. Citadel at release was actually a relief... It was a singular reason to play SP again, and the light-hearted tone fit my depression at the state of the ending. However, with time has come clarity. The writing was on the wall five years ago, I just couldn't see it.
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Post by dragontartare on May 18, 2017 2:16:49 GMT
*shrug*
No rose-tinted glasses here, because I played MET for the first time this year. I love ME3 and Citadel DLC, though I agree Citadel is a bit tonally awkward given what is at stake. On my first playthrough, I was just taking it all in and enjoying myself too much to be bothered by that. (Plus, I'd heard so many awful things about the game's ending that I was glad for the emotional reprieve.) On my second (current) playthrough, I will need to headcanon that the Normandy is in very bad shape and cannot possibly put off lengthy repairs any longer, in order to accept that Shepard would spend so much time away from the mission. But aside from that, I don't have a problem with the "cheesefest." To each their own.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2017 2:44:55 GMT
Please explain. Also, the difficulty spike is absurd. Cat6 is harder than anything else in the game, and on an Adept insanity run the boss battle with clone Shep is the biggest PITA trash ever. Brooks the Phantom Nemesis could take Kai Leng in seconds, and the Cat6 heavies.... There is the prototype for all your MEA bullet sponge enemies.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 18, 2017 3:11:28 GMT
Please explain. Also, the difficulty spike is absurd. Cat6 is harder than anything else in the game, and on an Adept insanity run the boss battle with clone Shep is the biggest PITA trash ever. Brooks the Phantom Nemesis could take Kai Leng in seconds, and the Cat6 heavies.... There is the prototype for all your MEA bullet sponge enemies. Complains about rose tinted glasses with ME 3. Pretends like it was any different then ME 1 or 2. The same flaws ME 3 has are just as present in ME 1 and 2. Bioware is nothing if not consistent with the flaws. In effect you are using the same rose tinted glasses you don't like others using. Switch to an Eagle or other bullet based handgun or SMG and mail slot the idiots. Head shots do 40% more damage against them. Or use Pull to yank shields away before you attack them. Clone is annoying but no worse then fighting any other class. Vanguard Clone spams the hell out of Biotic Charge and Nova.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2017 4:49:36 GMT
Complains about rose tinted glasses with ME 3. Did you open your eyes when you read my post? I just played all three games, like, just recently, for the 8 billionth time. Pretends like it was any different then ME 1 or 2. The same flaws ME 3 has are just as present in ME 1 and 2. Holy Horseshit Batman! Just as present? You are new to trolling I guess. In effect you are using the same rose tinted glasses you don't like others using. I simply do not understand how you completely failed to understand my post. There is no rose tint. Reporting facts. Also, I mentioned that ME2 was OK, not great, that ME3 is pretty bad overall, and now you have MEA. If you are claiming I have a rosy view of the entire trilogy, your reading comprehension is terrible. If you are claiming I have a rosy view of ME1, I disagree but go ahead with your badself. Switch to an Eagle or other bullet based handgun or SMG and mail slot the idiots. Head shots do 40% more damage against them. Or use Pull to yank shields away before you attack them. Clone is annoying but no worse then fighting any other class. Vanguard Clone spams the hell out of Biotic Charge and Nova. Lol. Just because I said it was a massive difficulty spike doesn't mean A) I haven't beaten this game on this difficulty with both Male and Female Shep with all classes, that I struggled, or C) that there is anything in this game you could possibly teach me. Anything else?
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Post by dmc1001 on May 18, 2017 4:58:14 GMT
I don't know. I love Citadel dlc. I know it's cheesy. Like dragontartare I headcanon that the Normandy is in major need of repairs since I've done every possible mission and all that's left is Cronus. It's meant to be feel good and that's how I take it. EDIT: However, with that in mind, it does make sense that Ryder is considerably more lighthearted.
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Post by fraggle on May 18, 2017 6:55:30 GMT
What does the Citadel DLC have to do with BW Montreal? They only did Omega afaik.
And yes, Citadel was a cheesefest, but a needed one before everything goes to hell (which I also like). I treat it as fun, and that's what it is. Stupid, over the top dialogues with a cringy storyline, but some of the best jokes in the entire trilogy are in there and I love it for this. It's pure fanservice and a great sendoff.
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Post by themikefest on May 18, 2017 11:39:33 GMT
The dlc was ok. I would have preferred a crucible dlc.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 18, 2017 11:47:45 GMT
Complains about rose tinted glasses with ME 3. Did you open your eyes when you read my post? I just played all three games, like, just recently, for the 8 billionth time. Pretends like it was any different then ME 1 or 2. The same flaws ME 3 has are just as present in ME 1 and 2. Holy Horseshit Batman! Just as present? You are new to trolling I guess. In effect you are using the same rose tinted glasses you don't like others using. I simply do not understand how you completely failed to understand my post. There is no rose tint. Reporting facts. Also, I mentioned that ME2 was OK, not great, that ME3 is pretty bad overall, and now you have MEA. If you are claiming I have a rosy view of the entire trilogy, your reading comprehension is terrible. If you are claiming I have a rosy view of ME1, I disagree but go ahead with your badself. Switch to an Eagle or other bullet based handgun or SMG and mail slot the idiots. Head shots do 40% more damage against them. Or use Pull to yank shields away before you attack them. Clone is annoying but no worse then fighting any other class. Vanguard Clone spams the hell out of Biotic Charge and Nova. Lol. Just because I said it was a massive difficulty spike doesn't mean A) I haven't beaten this game on this difficulty with both Male and Female Shep with all classes, that I struggled, or C) that there is anything in this game you could possibly teach me. Anything else? And yet despite your beating the game a million times you seem to only bring up rose tinted glasses and how terrible a game is specifically with ME 3. Your facts are bias and full of that rosy view you so complain about. Hence my meme. It isn't a difficulty spike. If you have mod installed then your on PC and you should have even less difficulty then I do on console aiming up head shots. As well as adepts have pull build in for removing their shields. Both are only difficulty spikes if you walk around dick out in every fight in the game. Which if you are on insanity you wouldn't be doing. Particularly with an adept. Combined with the infinite medi-gel crates around the cargo bay. Boring and repetitive yes. Shooting games like this always struggle with "boss" encounters because the game really wasn't designed with them in mind. Difficulty spike is a case by case basis.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2017 13:53:40 GMT
It isn't a difficulty spike. If you have mod installed then your on PC and you should have even less difficulty then I do on console aiming up head shots. As well as adepts have pull build in for removing their shields. The mod doesn't make the game less difficult ffs. Console pleb, get a grip on who you are talking to. If you weren't a peasant I would demand a Thunderdome just to let you know how far out of your element you are, Donny. Funny, if you use the Google thing, you will find with this search: Insanity Adept Clone Battle - that it is by far the hardest battle with CloneShep, and that in general Cat6 is disproportionately difficult compared to every other enemy in the game. Argue with that, and I will know that not only are you trolling, but that I can fully ignore you now. As for rose tint - Rose tinted glasses make things you are looking at, "better" than they actually are. ME3 is not that good, and MEA is the direct result of the adulation of Citadel DLC. That isn't rose tint, that is my opinion and it sure isn't fucking rosy.
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The dlc was ok. I would have preferred a crucible dlc. i prefer more DLC in general for Me3
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 18, 2017 22:49:50 GMT
It isn't a difficulty spike. If you have mod installed then your on PC and you should have even less difficulty then I do on console aiming up head shots. As well as adepts have pull build in for removing their shields. The mod doesn't make the game less difficult ffs. Console pleb, get a grip on who you are talking to. If you weren't a peasant I would demand a Thunderdome just to let you know how far out of your element you are, Donny. Funny, if you use the Google thing, you will find with this search: Insanity Adept Clone Battle - that it is by far the hardest battle with CloneShep, and that in general Cat6 is disproportionately difficult compared to every other enemy in the game. Argue with that, and I will know that not only are you trolling, but that I can fully ignore you now. As for rose tint - Rose tinted glasses make things you are looking at, "better" than they actually are. ME3 is not that good, and MEA is the direct result of the adulation of Citadel DLC. That isn't rose tint, that is my opinion and it sure isn't fucking rosy. Never said the mod makes it easier only that using a PC allows for more precision aiming to allow head shots easier. It is the reason why Sony and Microsoft, especially Microsoft do not allow console gamers to play with or against PC gamers. Particularly in FPS games because console gamers wouldn't stand a chance against them. The technology is there and it is extremely easy to have a console and PC play with or against each other online. But simply isn't all that fair to console gamers. Because of that mail slotting or using pull to disable shield then head shot for extra 40% damage drastically reduces claim of difficulty spike with Cat 6 guys. That being said difficulty is entirely subjective. My 20+ years of gaming has shown that to be true time and time again. Particularly if you ever play an MMORPG. There is content I can do with mid level to upper mid level gear and can kill just fine. And there are players that are higher level with better gear then me struggle with. As well as content with higher end gear I struggle with but other can take on with lower level gear and fair better then me. And yet if you hold the other games to the same criteria as ME 3 they are not that good either. ME 1 has eavesdropping creeper who helps people in strange ways as does ME 2. There isn't any long cinematic scenes with crew mates in ME 1 or 2. The only really long one is the final speech before you go after proto reaper. And in ME 3 unlike 1 or 2 your crew mates are capable of moving around the ship and interact with each other. When was Wrex shown talking with Liara in ME 1 or Mordin with Jacob talking again? Remember that mission for the Hanar to collect a package and bring it to him. Or that whole clear up the misunderstanding with the Consort or scan the Keepers? How about the land on this mission walk from one side to the other killing mercs and collect X reward (credits, upgrades, resources) or simply land on an area go alone as Shepard and do meaningless task like travel along a crashed ship to recover the logs for some credits. As well I would love to see your source that all of Andromeda was build around how warmly received the Citadel DLC was. A single DLC being the defining build concept of an entire game would be fascinating to know about.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2017 23:10:37 GMT
Never said the mod makes it easier only that using a PC allows for more precision aiming to allow head shots easier. You are aware that console FPS is 30, while PC is 60? And that the UnReal engine has it's difficulty tied to FPS? It is not easier, you should try it sometime. LOL we are talking about Mass Effect, the games are different significantly between PC and console, and which is more difficult is hard to fathom with the control differences and enemy AI responding to different frame rates. Nice appeal to age and experience. Doesn't work here, I am older than you are and gaming longer too. Wheeeeeeee! I didn't say long, but I did say cinematic. I can't remember any eavesdropping quest initiation in ME1, and struggling to remember any in 2.... And I just finished both in the last month. Your powers of surmise are weak.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 19, 2017 1:19:16 GMT
Never said the mod makes it easier only that using a PC allows for more precision aiming to allow head shots easier. You are aware that console FPS is 30, while PC is 60? And that the UnReal engine has it's difficulty tied to FPS? It is not easier, you should try it sometime. LOL we are talking about Mass Effect, the games are different significantly between PC and console, and which is more difficult is hard to fathom with the control differences and enemy AI responding to different frame rates. Nice appeal to age and experience. Doesn't work here, I am older than you are and gaming longer too. Wheeeeeeee! I didn't say long, but I did say cinematic. I can't remember any eavesdropping quest initiation in ME1, and struggling to remember any in 2.... And I just finished both in the last month. Your powers of surmise are weak. Well you say that but I can't seem to find anything that backs that statement up. I did find something about BioWare admitting they made ME 2 a bit harder on PC because of the advantages it has over console. Increased aiming accuracy, easier power usage, etc. But nothing about fps= more difficult other then some guns like Typhoon apparently being capable of more damage on MP. So it is possible BioWare made the game a bit harder on PC. Not because of FPS but because of the advantages PC has over console. In fact I'm fairly certain the reason on MP you only get access to 3 powers instead of the full group you would expect is specifically because of console players and the fact you can only have 3 powers mapped at any given time. But hey you got some proof would be an interesting read. Yes we are talking about Mass Effect and the fact that all games released for Playstation, X Box and PC would all be 100% playable together online together. Yet for all the time and popularity of console and PC they have never been connected together with online fun times. PS and Xbox not playing together is understandable but Microsoft treats X box and PC like brothers and there would be no reason for them not to connect to each other. I mean Call of Duty Infinite Warfare doesn't use Unreal Engine and yet to my knowledge One and PC users can not play with each other. I'm not appealing to anything I'm stating a fact. 10 different people playing the same game on the same difficult with same load outs can result in 10 different experiences in how well they progress. If you have played longer then I have then you should be aware of that fact. Unless you only ever play single player games and never talk to anyone about them or ever watch someone else play a game ever. I mean it is why I could get farther in Time Crisis at the arcade then my brother. Even though it is on the same difficulty setting. Or if you want to get even older Dig Dug or Pac Man or Galaga. I mean take your pick there was a reason every person up to the arcade game wasn't putting ASS as the initials for the new high score. Your right you didn't say long. How ever my point still stands. You may enjoy cinematic cut scenes more but for pure immersion I much prefer ME 3 were I could walk into an area and the squad mate that inhabited it was gone in another part of the ship having a conversation with someone else. But that is I suppose a personal opinion though attempting to use that as a reason will undercut heavily the value of that statement with people who enjoy the actual interaction that takes place. Not the rooted to the ground anachronistic set up of previous games. ME1- Consort, Keeper Scan, Family matter, Dr. Michel, Jahleed's Fears, Rita's Sister, Missing Marines. Just to name a few. All start with Shepard over hearing something and then talking to do quest. ME2- Salarian Family Data, Blue Rose of Illium, Indentured Servitude, The Prodigal: Lost Locket Found. Just to name the ones on Illium. All have Shepard able to listen in on conversations then bring relevant item if found during mission. You are the one that said ME:A was made that way because of the Citadel DLC.
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Post by yan on May 19, 2017 3:42:25 GMT
I beat the clone in insanity with soldier (easy), engineer (good challenge), sentinel (easy) and Infiltrator (HAAAAAAAAARRRRRRD, jesus).
Next time I will try the Boringuard.
I always ignore Brooks in this fight. She does not even attack me.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 19, 2017 3:48:34 GMT
I also tend to ignore Brooks except toward the end. At that point I like shooting her in the back as she tries to escape. My first instinct was always to send her to jail but in later PTs I realized she can be trusted even in jail and we can't spare resources to guard her when she's the type willing to kill the ONE PERSON who has even a snowflake's chance in hell of defeating the Reapers. I prefer her dead.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 19, 2017 4:17:35 GMT
No your not the only one saying it. How ever that is the only place on the web to see that. Even doing a google search came up with nothing else. That being said after reading that at 60 fps the jump isn't a massive jump. You get hit a bit more in the MP side but it isn't till 120 that problems actually start happening. Like being hit before you even leave cover and people in your lobby dying instantly on their screen and around corners. That being said with a PC unlike consoles you are fully capable of adjusting your FPS to as high as your system can handle or as low as you want. So you are more then capable of reducing your FPS down to the console level and reducing those problems to the same easier game as console users play. Thus bypassing the bug in the game's programing that causes this. So when you say that PC's game is harder that is true. How ever that increased difficulty is also by choice. It was an interesting read to be sure. Kind of wish all game developers could be as sharp and willing to fix issues as fans are.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 19, 2017 4:21:40 GMT
Good grief. It is a well known thing in the ME3MP community, confirmed by many players who have played both console and PC.
It is not a small difference. You are a small difference.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 19, 2017 12:21:33 GMT
Good grief. It is a well known thing in the ME3MP community, confirmed by many players who have played both console and PC. It is not a small difference. You are a small difference. It very well may be well known but if it is so well known why was the link you provided on a thread posts jump so much. One post is dated Oct 21 2014. Then the next is Jul 03 2016. And interestingly enough that July 2016 post is asking if all of this effects single player. The very mode we were talking about. With them replying to themselves that only at 100+ frames does it start to interfere with power usage. Something so well known being so hard to track down is odd. So again your point is kind of undercut by the opinion you take. Much like picking if you want to play as a vanguard or engineer or on Insanity or normal is a choice. So to is playing at 60 or 120 FPS then complaining about how easy console version is because of this issue and the fact they run at 30 FPS. Someone who is unaware of this issues which apparently is so well known. Would also realize the very simple fix to that problem. Or at least know were to look for possible mods that address it or simply altering their graphical settings. There was a few examples of how to address this issues on that link. So my question to you really is if you know about this problem and you know how to deal with said problem. Why are you using a non issue to complain about? You are just as capable of taking on an Adept Clone Shepard on Insanity with the same difficulty as console gamer. With all the benefits of a PC gamer like potentially more sensitive mouse for better aiming, better camera movement and all powers yours and squad are mapped to keyboard allowing quicker use of them Because on console you are basically restricted to only 3 powers mapped at any given time for Shepard with only 1 power per squad mate mapped.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 19, 2017 12:28:49 GMT
Because I don't hack my framerate because I'm not a scrub and can dominate at 60fps.
I have been playing ME3MP since launch. I am known as a pretty good player, and that isn't because I hack and cheat.
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Post by chawktrick on May 19, 2017 17:15:16 GMT
What makes ME2 the best in the series is the story line, but I do enjoy the combat much more in ME3 (particularly as a Vanguard).
I still really like ME3, though. I just finished replaying it for the first time in four years and enjoyed it significantly more this time around than I did the first time. The eavesdropping fetch quests are really irritating though. I was hopeful that Andromeda was going to get rid of these kinds of things.
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