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Post by Xan on May 20, 2017 14:33:53 GMT
One week ago due to many people complaining about XP boosters not working correctly, I did some tests with how the different XP bonuses stacked and posted my results here. The conclusion was that all the bonuses were additive. After 1.07 came out I have noticed that I would always get over 200k XP when playing against Kett and using a level 3 XP booster, which almost never happened before. I took screenshots of the end game screens and did the same calculations as with my previous tests on 1.06. I have divided the received XP with the sum of the player's total score and analysed the multiplier, which was the result. The XP gain formula in 1.07 is the following: Total XP = Base XP * (1 + booster bonus/100) * (1 + (APEX bonus + Difficulty bonus)/100)where Base XP is the sum of all player's score and Difficulty bonus is 0 for Bronze, 25 for Silver, 50 for Gold and 100 for Platinum. Here are the tests I've done, including my thought process. I did different factions because I suspected Kett might be bugged as they always gave over 200k, but that's not the case. My team just got more base score against Kett and the multiplicative bonus made the differences between factions even more noticeable.
Game 1: Kett Gold, level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 216905
Sum of player's score: 82631
XP multiplier: 216905 / 82631 = 2,625
Game 2: Outlaw Gold, level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 189106
Sum of player's score: 72041
XP multiplier: 189106 / 72041 = 2,625 (again)
2,625 couldn't be possible if the bonuses stacked additively. I know that Gold has a 50% bonus and the level 3 XP booster has a 75% bonus. We can get 2,625 by multiplying 1,5 with 1,75. Conclusion: the booster and difficulty bonuses stack multiplicatively.
After this I was curious how the APEX bonus would fit into the equation, so I quickly did the Gold APEX with pugs.
Game 3: Remnant APEX Gold (15% bonus from Weakened Assault Team), level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 191504
Sum of player's score: 66322
XP multiplier: 191504 / 66322 = 2,8875
We have the following bonuses: 15% (APEX), 50% (Difficulty), 75% (booster)
The only way we can get 2,8875 is the following: (1+0,15+0,5) (APEX and Difficulty additive) * 1,75 (booster) = 2,8875
I did the Silver APEX too just to be sure:
Game 4: Remnant APEX Silver (15% from Empty Resupply), level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 164031
Sum of player's score: 66952
XP multiplier: 164031 / 66952 = 2,45
Bonuses we have: 15% (APEX), 25% (Difficulty), 75% (booster)
We can only get 2,45 if the APEX and Difficulty bonuses are additive and the booster is multiplicative: (1+0,15+0,25) * 1,75 = 2,45 TL;DR: Difficulty XP bonus and APEX XP bonus are still additive, but XP boosters are now multiplicative! This makes XP boosters noticeably more effective on Gold than before.
Tips for leveling up quickly:1. The most reliable way to level up is to play Gold against Kett with XP boosters, as 1.06 made them rather squishy while they retained their aggresive behaviour. Kett give noticeably more XP than the other factions on Gold difficulty. 2. 11 wave Gold missions are very rare, but they are a good source of XP. With a level 4 XP booster you will get about 700K experience per match. 3. If you have 3 friends that don't mind you playing a low level kit on Platinum, that is also a good way to level up. Just don't forget the XP boosters. Oh, and don't do this in public lobbies please. Thread updated on 19 Aug 2017 (patch 1.10) |
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Post by someN7orother on May 20, 2017 14:41:52 GMT
If true, it's great news. But I have to ask... why? Why would they not publish this change, considering how often people complain that leveling takes too long? Were they not aware of this change yesterday during the stream? What the actual fuck.
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Post by lennybusker on May 20, 2017 15:41:30 GMT
Jesus christ why would they not say this. I was just bemoaning last night how stupid it was that a L3 XP booster costs 15 points but only gives you an extra like 60K (under the old regime).
Fucking patch notes biower, how they work?
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Post by Evil on May 20, 2017 16:07:29 GMT
Jesus christ why would they not say this. I was just bemoaning last night how stupid it was that a L3 XP booster costs 15 points but only gives you an extra like 60K (under the old regime). Fucking patch notes biower, how they work? I had a similar experience with the stealth fix to shotgun smart chokes. I'd have continued to avoid using them thinking they didn't work if not for a stray comment made on these forums that I was lucky enough to see. Biower pls. |
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Post by toast on May 20, 2017 16:50:21 GMT
It just shows the dis junction between moderators and developers within the Bioware ranks; along with the lack of transparency and communication with the community. It's frustrating, and it just furthers the dissension that we (as consumers), have against Bioware.
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Post by Transcended One on May 20, 2017 16:56:32 GMT
I was wondering how my Human Engineer is already level 18 even though I started with him yesterday, and played only like 10 matches with him or so...
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Post by vomder on May 20, 2017 17:01:04 GMT
That good news, though with how they operate it very well could be a 'bug' that they 'fix'
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Post by gethadept on May 21, 2017 15:06:08 GMT
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Post by bacon4breakfast on May 21, 2017 15:55:56 GMT
Jesus christ why would they not say this. I was just bemoaning last night how stupid it was that a L3 XP booster costs 15 points but only gives you an extra like 60K (under the old regime). Fucking patch notes biower, how they work? They have more important things to tell us about.  |
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Post by Terminator Force on May 21, 2017 18:20:42 GMT
Now the other challenge is finding Kett preset lobbies outside of APEX.
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Post by killabkilledb on May 22, 2017 3:57:44 GMT
One week ago due to many people complaining about XP boosters not working correctly, I did some tests with how the different XP bonuses stacked and posted my results here. The conclusion was that all the bonuses were additive. After 1.07 came out I have noticed that I would always get over 200k XP when playing against Kett and using a level 3 XP booster, which almost never happened before. I took screenshots of the end game screens and did the same calculations as with my previous tests on 1.06. I have divided the received XP with the sum of the player's total score and analysed the multiplier, which was the result. The XP gain formula in 1.07 is the following: Total XP = Base XP * (1 + booster bonus/100) * (1 + (APEX bonus + Difficulty bonus)/100)where Base XP is the sum of all player's score and Difficulty bonus is 0 for Bronze, 25 for Silver and 50 for Gold. Here are the tests I've done, including my thought process. I did different factions because I suspected Kett might be bugged as they always gave over 200k, but that's not the case. My team just got more base score against Kett and the multiplicative bonus made the differences between factions even more noticeable.
Game 1: Kett Gold, level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 216905
Sum of player's score: 82631
XP multiplier: 216905 / 82631 = 2,625
Game 2: Outlaw Gold, level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 189106
Sum of player's score: 72041
XP multiplier: 189106 / 72041 = 2,625 (again)
2,625 couldn't be possible if the bonuses stacked additively. I know that Gold has a 50% bonus and the level 3 XP booster has a 75% bonus. We can get 2,625 by multiplying 1,5 with 1,75. Conclusion: the booster and difficulty bonuses stack multiplicatively.
After this I was curious how the APEX bonus would fit into the equation, so I quickly did the Gold APEX with pugs.
Game 3: Remnant APEX Gold (15% bonus from Weakened Assault Team), level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 191504
Sum of player's score: 66322
XP multiplier: 191504 / 66322 = 2,8875
We have the following bonuses: 15% (APEX), 50% (Difficulty), 75% (booster)
The only way we can get 2,8875 is the following: (1+0,15+0,5) (APEX and Difficulty additive) * 1,75 (booster) = 2,8875
I did the Silver APEX too just to be sure:
Game 4: Remnant APEX Silver (15% from Empty Resupply), level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 164031
Sum of player's score: 66952
XP multiplier: 164031 / 66952 = 2,45
Bonuses we have: 15% (APEX), 25% (Difficulty), 75% (booster)
We can only get 2,45 if the APEX and Difficulty bonuses are additive and the booster is multiplicative: (1+0,15+0,25) * 1,75 = 2,45 TL;DR: Difficulty XP bonus and APEX XP bonus are still additive, but XP boosters are now multiplicative! This makes XP boosters noticeably more effective on Gold than before. Personal experience: If you want to level up quickly, I advise that you play Gold against Kett with XP boosters, as 1.06 made them rather squishy while they retained their aggresive behaviour. I have been getting more XP from Kett games than from the other factions. If you spot a Gold APEX mission vs. Kett that gives XP bonus, that will be the best way to farm XP without exploiting bugs. Maybe they were broken all along and they don't want to admit it because then I would want the 100 of them I used back... |
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Post by Kenny Bania on May 22, 2017 5:34:30 GMT
One week ago due to many people complaining about XP boosters not working correctly, I did some tests with how the different XP bonuses stacked and posted my results here. The conclusion was that all the bonuses were additive. After 1.07 came out I have noticed that I would always get over 200k XP when playing against Kett and using a level 3 XP booster, which almost never happened before. I took screenshots of the end game screens and did the same calculations as with my previous tests on 1.06. I have divided the received XP with the sum of the player's total score and analysed the multiplier, which was the result. The XP gain formula in 1.07 is the following: Total XP = Base XP * (1 + booster bonus/100) * (1 + (APEX bonus + Difficulty bonus)/100)where Base XP is the sum of all player's score and Difficulty bonus is 0 for Bronze, 25 for Silver and 50 for Gold. Here are the tests I've done, including my thought process. I did different factions because I suspected Kett might be bugged as they always gave over 200k, but that's not the case. My team just got more base score against Kett and the multiplicative bonus made the differences between factions even more noticeable.
Game 1: Kett Gold, level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 216905
Sum of player's score: 82631
XP multiplier: 216905 / 82631 = 2,625
Game 2: Outlaw Gold, level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 189106
Sum of player's score: 72041
XP multiplier: 189106 / 72041 = 2,625 (again)
2,625 couldn't be possible if the bonuses stacked additively. I know that Gold has a 50% bonus and the level 3 XP booster has a 75% bonus. We can get 2,625 by multiplying 1,5 with 1,75. Conclusion: the booster and difficulty bonuses stack multiplicatively.
After this I was curious how the APEX bonus would fit into the equation, so I quickly did the Gold APEX with pugs.
Game 3: Remnant APEX Gold (15% bonus from Weakened Assault Team), level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 191504
Sum of player's score: 66322
XP multiplier: 191504 / 66322 = 2,8875
We have the following bonuses: 15% (APEX), 50% (Difficulty), 75% (booster)
The only way we can get 2,8875 is the following: (1+0,15+0,5) (APEX and Difficulty additive) * 1,75 (booster) = 2,8875
I did the Silver APEX too just to be sure:
Game 4: Remnant APEX Silver (15% from Empty Resupply), level 3 booster
Total XP gained: 164031
Sum of player's score: 66952
XP multiplier: 164031 / 66952 = 2,45
Bonuses we have: 15% (APEX), 25% (Difficulty), 75% (booster)
We can only get 2,45 if the APEX and Difficulty bonuses are additive and the booster is multiplicative: (1+0,15+0,25) * 1,75 = 2,45 TL;DR: Difficulty XP bonus and APEX XP bonus are still additive, but XP boosters are now multiplicative! This makes XP boosters noticeably more effective on Gold than before. Personal experience: If you want to level up quickly, I advise that you play Gold against Kett with XP boosters, as 1.06 made them rather squishy while they retained their aggresive behaviour. I have been getting more XP from Kett games than from the other factions. If you spot a Gold APEX mission vs. Kett that gives XP bonus, that will be the best way to farm XP without exploiting bugs. Maybe they were broken all along and they don't want to admit it because then I would want the 100 of them I used back... I pretty much assumed this was the case. |
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Post by Xan on Aug 19, 2017 16:14:42 GMT
Got off my lazy ass and updated the thread with Platinum info. DragonRacer I'd like to offer this research for the resource library, if you think it's worthy! |
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Aug 19, 2017 16:20:53 GMT
Wow... I thought everyone knew this. (Never understood why people thought leveling took a long time) 1 game level 8 next game level 10 next 12 ect ect....
Were people NOT using boosters to level?
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