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Post by derrame on May 21, 2017 13:54:47 GMT
hi there pathfinders
i don't remember if this inf is anywhere in the game does anybody know why did de Jaardan create the Angara?
this reminds me of the movie "Prometheus" that the "enginers" cerated the humans
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Post by Psychedelic on May 21, 2017 15:12:59 GMT
hi there pathfinders i don't remember if this inf is anywhere in the game does anybody know why did de Jaardan create the Angara? this reminds me of the movie "Prometheus" that the "enginers" cerated the humans As far as I can tell there was no explanation in the game. The whole "who are the Jardaan, where are they now and what the heck were they thinking"- storyline was left open, I hope to be continued in another game/DLC and not as eternal mystery. There have already been some speculations about the purpose of the Angara scattered over several threads, just a summary what I remember: - the Jardaan are an AI and
- built them to be their slaves
- intended to/already did download their consciousness into organic bodies
(the Angaran genetic memory thing, though what you would want with a decaying organic body when you are technically immortal is beyond me) - killed their creators in some sort of morning war, regretted it at some
point and "rebuilt" them, along with whole ecosystems they probably destroyed during that conflict as well (hence the vaults and terraforming)
- as some sort of experiment for a research project
- because they could. Duh.
The thing that worries me is Jaal's reaction to the revelation his people were engineered. When you talk to him back on the Tempest he isn't upset or shocked (not much, anyway). He is excited about the whole thing and eager to find out what their purpose is and how to fulfill this purpose as best they can. His reaction could be part of their "programming", Jall himself said something to that effect. If the Jardaan ever return I bet we will have lots of fun with our Angaran "allies".
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Post by duskwanderer on May 21, 2017 20:00:58 GMT
Given that the Jaardan appear to be extinct, I don't care what the why is.
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Post by Sairys on May 21, 2017 20:24:00 GMT
Perhaps it was the Leviathans. They were able to travel dark space. They needed the races in Milky Way to be their hands to build things, controlling people with the artifacts. If some of the Leviathans escaped the Reapers through Dark Space then they would need to have sentient slaves to control and those slaves would need habitable worlds.
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Post by wickedtruth on May 21, 2017 21:31:21 GMT
and now for some reason i cant help but ponder is there a biological version of the reapers out there in Andromeda who go around every 50,000 years purging AI cause they build biological intelligence and the biological intelligence will always rebel against their AI creators?
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 21, 2017 22:53:22 GMT
They wanted sex slaves obviously.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 23:02:16 GMT
People need to understand that you cannot "create" life, you maybe able to speed up the evolution proccess somehow but thats it. As for why, I don't know. Wouldn't humans do something similar to other primates if we had the technology
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2017 0:22:25 GMT
People need to understand that you cannot "create" life, you maybe able to speed up the evolution proccess somehow but thats it. As for why, I don't know. Wouldn't humans do something similar to other primates if we had the technology Not sure that's true. You can mix the chemicals up in a lab to create life. I mean, that's essentially what happened in real life and it evolved into what we are today. I see no reason why the Jardaan couldn't do the same.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 0:36:06 GMT
People need to understand that you cannot "create" life, you maybe able to speed up the evolution proccess somehow but thats it. As for why, I don't know. Wouldn't humans do something similar to other primates if we had the technology Not sure that's true. You can mix the chemicals up in a lab to create life. I mean, that's essentially what happened in real life and it evolved into what we are today. I see no reason why the Jardaan couldn't do the same. The term creation means making something out of nowhere and it doesn't match with the laws of physics. But I think I get what you're saying (people growing lambs in lab) that proccess does not create new lifeforms however, it grows an existing one without the need for a mother to carry it
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2017 0:51:20 GMT
Not sure that's true. You can mix the chemicals up in a lab to create life. I mean, that's essentially what happened in real life and it evolved into what we are today. I see no reason why the Jardaan couldn't do the same.'m ta The term creation means making something out of nowhere and it doesn't match with the laws of physics. But I think I get what you're saying (people growing lambs in lab) that proccess does not create new lifeforms however, it grows an existing one without the need for a mother to carry it No, I'm not suggesting "creating" raw materials. I'm talking abiogenesis, taking non-life and turning it into life. To me, that's creating life. So we've got this mix of chemicals (amino acids on Earth), mix in some other chemicals (early days of Earth the atmosphere was toxic) and then add electricity. Get that going, make it all metabolize and it might just evolve into something. In this case, that something is the angara. Just because we can't yet do it on Earth in no way means that it's impossible to create life. I suspect it's going to happen. It's just as possible the angara are a product of genetic engineering (altering what already exists) but I wouldn't call that "creation". Chart below suggests how life could be created in a lab. Spoilers for size reasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 7:51:19 GMT
The term creation means making something out of nowhere and it doesn't match with the laws of physics. But I think I get what you're saying (people growing lambs in lab) that proccess does not create new lifeforms however, it grows an existing one without the need for a mother to carry it No, I'm not suggesting "creating" raw materials. I'm talking abiogenesis, taking non-life and turning it into life. To me, that's creating life. So we've got this mix of chemicals (amino acids on Earth), mix in some other chemicals (early days of Earth the atmosphere was toxic) and then add electricity. Get that going, make it all metabolize and it might just evolve into something. In this case, that something is the angara. Just because we can't yet do it on Earth in no way means that it's impossible to create life. I suspect it's going to happen. It's just as possible the angara are a product of genetic engineering (altering what already exists) but I wouldn't call that "creation". Chart below suggests how life could be created in a lab. Spoilers for size reasons. Ah the core of evolution, sorry for misunderstanding. Yeah I know it but the reason I didn't consider it in the first place is because it is still a theory, but since this is sci-fi I should've been taken it under consideration. It can also explain why Jardaan's work was seen unethical by some other races and why Scorage was sent in the first place. But considering the Angara and how they're are in a very good shaped to live in their home planet Havarl it is safe to assume that they might be an already half developed race in that planet and that Jardaan saw their potantial just like the Protheans seeing Asaris potantial. If Jardaan really created them in a lab, they wouldn't have needed them to be adapted to a harsh environment. They could've put them somewhere like Kadara and it would've been easier
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Post by colfoley on May 22, 2017 8:07:11 GMT
Funny I was going to reference Prometheus since I just saw it...for the first time.
Anyways I think it was clear they were guardians, keepers, caretakers, maintainers of the vaults and all the tech. Just think about sentient Keepers I guess.
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Post by Psychevore on May 22, 2017 20:30:21 GMT
Remorse.
Assuming here the Jardaan are AI that wiped organic life from the cluster, or possibly even the galaxy.
And this galaxy had no Catalyst to protect it. *giggle*
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Post by Psychevore on May 22, 2017 20:33:31 GMT
People need to understand that you cannot "create" life, you maybe able to speed up the evolution proccess somehow but thats it. As for why, I don't know. Wouldn't humans do something similar to other primates if we had the technology I'd suggest you stop reading 'creation science' websites. They're all bogus, filled with lies and gross misrepresentation of data and facts.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 21:04:57 GMT
People need to understand that you cannot "create" life, you maybe able to speed up the evolution proccess somehow but thats it. As for why, I don't know. Wouldn't humans do something similar to other primates if we had the technology I'd suggest you stop reading 'creation science' websites. They're all bogus, filled with lies and gross misrepresentation of data and facts. I haven't been in a creation science website before. What's it like?
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Post by LogicGunn on May 22, 2017 21:33:08 GMT
I have a feeling the Jardaan's motives are going to have a big reveal in the third Andromeda game, much like... STARCHILD! Dun dun dunnnnn!
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Post by capn233 on May 23, 2017 23:02:33 GMT
I have a feeling the Jardaan's motives are going to have a big reveal in the third Andromeda game, much like... STARCHILD! Dun dun dunnnnn! But first in MEA2 "My god, the Jardaan didn't vanish! They're just working for the Kett now!"
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Post by themikefest on May 25, 2017 0:45:45 GMT
I have a feeling the Jardaan's motives are going to have a big reveal in the third Andromeda game, much like... STARCHILD! Dun dun dunnnnn! But first in MEA2 "My god, the Jardaan didn't vanish! They're just working for the Kett now!" ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
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