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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 13:56:19 GMT
I started wondering about this as I walked through the vault on EOS the first time. I thought back to the reapers and how they built these marvels and we all thought they were built by previous races. Then I thought how the Reapers had a purpose that was to preserve life but they did it in a different way with a logic error or sorts. What if the Jardaan have the same purpose or their purpose is to create life as well as preserve it. Or they were preserving the lives of their creators or rather the legacy of them.
The vaults are massive and would require an extensive undertaking. I don't think any mortal beings would be capable of that at least not on so many planets. It would be a massive undertaking on an extraordinary level. But if it were AI driven they could work much more efficiently and quickly. Also, given the planets are only truly inhabitable because of the vaults how would any race be able to build what makes them inhabitable unless they were synthetic AI? It would have to be beings that could function in harsh conditions for very long periods. Suits can only get one so far. The technology also seems rather advanced but could have been created by another non AI race, however to build and implement it under such extreme conditions on so many planets? I think it had to be AI. And that might explain why they were attacked and why the scourge targets all remnant tech.
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Post by decafhigh on May 22, 2017 14:04:10 GMT
My guess? Mac is using MEA as an opportunity to explore his synthesis ending. Remember returning the helmet to Avela? She says the Scourge targets remnant technology and thus targeted the Rem Tech in the pilot's helmet. Ryder makes the suggestion the Rem Tech might be in the pilot. My guess is the Jardaan are an organic/synthetic hybrid race.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 14:18:18 GMT
My guess? Mac is using MEA as an opportunity to explore his synthesis ending. Remember returning the helmet to Avela? She says the Scourge targets remnant technology and thus targeted the Rem Tech in the pilot's helmet. Ryder makes the suggestion the Rem Tech might be in the pilot. My guess is the Jardaan are an organic/synthetic hybrid race. I have to admit that I really liked the idea of going in this direction because it is new and interesting. We were at war with synthetics all MET and they tried to destroy us (while trying to save us). Seeing it from a different perspective where they try to save or create and they aren't inherently harmful would be a fresh approach. SAM is the biggest hint that we are headed in that direction. Also, it sort of brings up the argument that it is man that is inherently the problem or rather organic life because organic life programmed/created the reapers. Geth were only violent to save themselves until some then sided with the old machines due to a logic error. And they have already begun with this theme of man being the problem (hinted at if not outright stated) in MEA with the Nexus uprising and then on Kadara. There is a quest on Aya where a angaran doesn't understand why our people would behave like that. You point out that some of theirs do too and he's still angry and doesn't want to bother with us. It really looks like they are headed in that direction.
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Post by Serza on May 22, 2017 14:31:58 GMT
There's a reason I went Destroy...
Synthesis is making a choice for trillions of people who might potentially disagree and to alter the genetic makeup of countless species. You're playing God, and nobody should be playing God.
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Post by Psychedelic on May 22, 2017 15:45:21 GMT
There's a reason I went Destroy... Synthesis is making a choice for trillions of people who might potentially disagree and to alter the genetic makeup of countless species. You're playing God, and nobody should be playing God. Bioware literally fled to another galaxy to avoid dealing with the endings of ME3. I don't think the posters above meant "synthesis" as in the green ending, just the general concept. Conflict between organics and AIs has always been a big part of the ME universe. It wouldn't surprise me if the Jardaan were an AI. What's strange is that the only other AI shown in the game, except the SAMs, looks so very different than any RemTech. It is pre-Scourge, could be ancient Angaran, but she also hates the Angara with a passion. Weren't the Jardaan still around before the Scourge and why should they let the Angara build their own AI, assuming they really were it's creators in the first place? That all sounds to me there something was going on inolving the Angara, the Jardaan and AIs, possibly the Jardaan being the AI. The Voeld-AI might have been built to deal with an AI opponent, either for defense or as a weapon. Hard to tell with this nut job, but I doubt that she was built to monitor the energy grid, as she claims. Whatever the case, I doubt the writers will let go on the whole organics/AI topic in the future.
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Post by kino on May 22, 2017 15:50:56 GMT
Could be. There wasn't much evidence regarding the Jaardan and who, or what, they are, or were. I was kind of wondering about that statue found on Havarl that's given to Avela, though. Something she said stuck out to me.
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Post by lynx7386 on May 22, 2017 15:58:05 GMT
Why would AI need to terraform planets?
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Post by KaiserShep on May 22, 2017 16:10:36 GMT
Why would AI need to terraform planets? I guess if they were programmed to created organic life to populate the cluster, like some kind of automated overseer.
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Post by Exile Isan on May 22, 2017 16:13:55 GMT
My pet "jardaan are AI" theory is: that the Jardaan were this galaxy/clusters version of the Geth. Their creators (the original angara) tried to kill them, they fought back, but instead of fleeing like the quarians did, the jardaan's creators fought to the death. Some of the Jardaan have an "Oh, crap! What did we do?" moment and try to recreate their creators. While others, the opposition, try to stop them and release the Scourge as a counter measure. The only problem with this theory is that why would the opposition create and release something that would destroy them too? My guess? Mac is using MEA as an opportunity to explore his synthesis ending. Remember returning the helmet to Avela? She says the Scourge targets remnant technology and thus targeted the Rem Tech in the pilot's helmet. Ryder makes the suggestion the Rem Tech might be in the pilot. My guess is the Jardaan are an organic/synthetic hybrid race. Possibly, but I would say SAM/Ryder already fits that bill. And to be honest SAM/Ryder and/or the jardaan being organic/synthetic hybrid race is/would be a lot more palatable than a magic green beam, IMO. I personally think it's the eezo in all the remnant tech that the Scourge is attracted to. You find eezo deposits at every site on Eos that is being attacked by the scourge. And PeeBee mentions in the Eos vault that all remnant tech is threaded with eezo.
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Post by bohemiadrinker on May 22, 2017 16:37:04 GMT
My take on the Jaardan is that they are basically ancient Angara. Trying to colonize the galaxy without the advantage of Mass Relays, their solution was to automate the process, creating the Remnant A.I.s; those would be responsible for terraforming the planets, introducing the Jardaan clones into the biosphere and later educate them; however, the whole scourge thing fucked the whole proccess up, in a way that the Angara were left without the later part of the process and then evolved a society and culture on their own.
Now, the responsible for the Scourge might be ancient Khet, another race, or a Jaardan faction against such colonization efforts.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 16:49:18 GMT
My guess? Mac is using MEA as an opportunity to explore his synthesis ending. Remember returning the helmet to Avela? She says the Scourge targets remnant technology and thus targeted the Rem Tech in the pilot's helmet. Ryder makes the suggestion the Rem Tech might be in the pilot. My guess is the Jardaan are an organic/synthetic hybrid race. I have to admit that I really liked the idea of going in this direction because it is new and interesting. We were at war with synthetics all MET and they tried to destroy us (while trying to save us). Seeing it from a different perspective where they try to save or create and they aren't inherently harmful would be a fresh approach. SAM is the biggest hint that we are headed in that direction. I hate the synthesis ending but both your ideas actually sound pretty cool to me. Approaching AI from a different angle would be great as I never liked the way they told it in ME3.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 17:24:18 GMT
My guess? Mac is using MEA as an opportunity to explore his synthesis ending. Mac didn't write anything in Andromeda. He was the creative director for this game.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 18:04:14 GMT
There's a reason I went Destroy... Synthesis is making a choice for trillions of people who might potentially disagree and to alter the genetic makeup of countless species. You're playing God, and nobody should be playing God. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with synthesis really. I'm just looking at it as the jardaan possibly being AI and that their task is to create and preserve life in a different way than the reapers did. The Angara are from my perspective likely some kind of clones. My guess is there might have been some reason why they needed to create them and they might have been created from genetic material from a previous Angaran civilization that was not going to survive some kind of event. Perhaps an extinction level even. Perhaps they already had AI as part of their culture and the tasked the AI with helping to save them. I'm not talking synthesis but perhaps cloning or using genetic material to recreate them though there are synthesis or synthetic hybrid theories about the angara. The thing about synthesis as it was in ME3 was that it did come off rather revolting. Never mind the whole story that led to it and how that decision in that context felt kind of awful but also because you are forcing it on everyone and it feels like it turns the reapers into this all knowing good guy when they had committed countless cycles of genocide previously and were in the process of doing it again. That felt very wrong and icky especially from the stance of morally and intellectually superior AI playing god and believing it is a kind of god. But, if it for example the angara were going to die due to some event and they used AI to transfer their memories into another version of them that could be be a bit more like synthesis due to how they are created and that AI goes to another cluster and makes it livable for them that doesn't seem revolting. If it were done in a way like that, it wouldn't be revolting. If the Jardaan are AI and they are creating races, there's a reason why. I doubt it's because they want to make synthesis a thing which is what the Reapers wanted ultimately it seems. And in that case it was horrific. Here, it feels less so. It feels more like creating life than genocide but we don't know the full story yet. Could be genocide instigated it or was involved in it on some level.
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Post by Iakus on May 22, 2017 18:17:36 GMT
My guess? Mac is using MEA as an opportunity to explore his synthesis ending. Mac didn't write anything in Andromeda. He was the creative director for this game. He also shared Lead Writer credit
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 2:34:05 GMT
Mac didn't write anything in Andromeda. He was the creative director for this game. He also shared Lead Writer credit Not for Andromeda.
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Post by decafhigh on May 23, 2017 2:38:48 GMT
My guess? Mac is using MEA as an opportunity to explore his synthesis ending. Mac didn't write anything in Andromeda. He was the creative director for this game. And? Not sure what you are getting at. Are you saying the Lead Creative Director (and former lead writer at that) doesn't get a say in the themes and plot of the writing for the series? I would have assumed he actually is the final say on the matter.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 3:35:35 GMT
Mac didn't write anything in Andromeda. He was the creative director for this game. And? Not sure what you are getting at. Are you saying the Lead Creative Director (and former lead writer at that) doesn't get a say in the themes and plot of the writing for the series? I would have assumed he actually is the final say on the matter. I personally believe some have been holding a grudge against the poor guy since ME3 happened. They will pretty much use anything to fuel that.
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Post by derrame on May 23, 2017 4:37:55 GMT
why would an ai create organic life?
they are supposed to destroy organic life
seriously, an ai does not need organics, if they already existed, they can keep on exiting
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Post by gplayer on May 23, 2017 5:19:47 GMT
So your suggesting some sort of weird time loop where some of the AI arrived in Andromeda in the distant past and then made all the vaults for the AI from our timeline to find an activate? Sounds more appropriate for Dr. Who, not ME
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Post by clips7 on May 23, 2017 5:46:47 GMT
I know we are talking about the Jaardan, but what if the Geth noticed something? It was their telescope that was pointed towards Andromeda correct? Reaching here, but what if they became somewhat aware of another superior AI in the Jaardan?
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Post by Warrior DM on May 23, 2017 6:16:03 GMT
The Jaardan are already a nice foil to the Reaper, creating organic life rather than harvesting. It would be interesting if they were AI, but I think I've seen enough hyper intelligent mechanical threats.
The Remnant work because they are more like custodians than actively hostile.
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