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Post by aoibhealfae on Aug 31, 2016 7:29:54 GMT
More Kaidan? Also found the inspiration for I'm Lost Without You "I would be lost without you." "Then you'll never be lost." "No matter what happens, you have worked your way into my heart." "You've shown me that I have one." "I love you..." "I love you too." - Farscape
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Post by NRieh on Aug 31, 2016 8:43:41 GMT
It's just Ashley had obvious favoritism throughout the trilogy. Kaidan deserved better... Oh, but Kaidan did have 'better'. As funny as it is, the whole 'Virmire Survivor' (I hate the 'title'!) plot makes the most sense with Kaidan. 1. The promotion. Kaidan was Staff Commander on Horizon. It's 2 ranks higher than he'd been 2 years ago on SR1 (and 1 rank above Lt.Cmdr. Shepard ) at this point, and within 6 months he gets another promotion and becomes the Major reason to replay ME3 a Major. Very likely it had something to do with his assignment to the biotic division. Ashley's a Gunnery Chief in ME1 (and struggles with her 'no-promotions-for-Williams' dramma), in ME2 she's addressed as 'Operation chief' and then, 6 months later she's....tadam!..a Lt.Commander (of a sudden, becoming equal with Shepard). 2. The reskin. To be honest, ME1 Kaidan model is my favourite one. I can't help it. The eyes, the sublte facial animations, the complexion. They had also screwed the arms&hands badly in ME3. But with all the 'tweaks' Kaidan had got (like lack of shaving and slightly overpumped body type), Ashley had it much-much worse. They had literally destroyed the character visuals, those heels and a battle skirt look horrible. The Ashley I remember would've died for the second time if she knew what was coming. That mirandaesque catwoman suit, that make-up? Give me a break.. 3. 2nd human Spectre. It comes with 1. but it's worth mentioning. For Kaidan it's a biotic Alliance officer with the long list of commendations trusted enough already to lead the whole division, in Ashley's case it's basically a ground-stomping marine. 4. Character development and conversations. I can only judge Ashley's scenes via youtube, but I have a strong feeling that some of her scenes are deeply OOC (like getting drunk aboard the Normandy, really?). Kaidan does not have much, but he's consistent. His Vancouver origin adds some flavours too. So, while Kaidan is doomed to use the shared animation and had only used his biotics in a cut-scene once (Citadel DLC), I would not say that I envy the Ashmancers. , the ME1 trailer had her die at Virmire. But male Shep. Which leaves whom as the 'trailer-canon LI?..' Right, it leaves Liara . And FemShep has Ashley alive in ME3 cinematic trailer, which also leaves... Liara. What is the ship name for him and Fshep called? Shenko? It's Shenko in general (sometimes specified as mShenko for mShep). And the word is 'kaidanite'.
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Post by straykat on Aug 31, 2016 9:15:56 GMT
It's just Ashley had obvious favoritism throughout the trilogy. Kaidan deserved better... Oh, but Kaidan did have 'better'. As funny as it is, the whole 'Virmire Survivor' (I hate the 'title'!) plot makes the most sense with Kaidan. 1. The promotion. Kaidan was Staff Commander on Horizon. It's 2 ranks higher than he'd been 2 years ago on SR1 (and 1 rank above Lt.Cmdr. Shepard ) at this point, and within 6 months he gets another promotion and becomes the Major reason to replay ME3 a Major. Very likely it had something to do with his assignment to the biotic division. Ashley's a Gunnery Chief in ME1 (and struggles with her 'no-promotions-for-Williams' dramma), in ME2 she's addressed as 'Operation chief' and then, 6 months later she's....tadam!..a Lt.Commander (of a sudden, becoming equal with Shepard). 2. The reskin. To be honest, ME1 Kaidan model is my favourite one. I can't help it. The eyes, the sublte facial animations, the complexion. They had also screwed the arms&hands badly in ME3. But with all the 'tweaks' Kaidan had got (like lack of shaving and slightly overpumped body type), Ashley had it much-much worse. They had literally destroyed the character visuals, those heels and a battle skirt look horrible. The Ashley I remember would've died for the second time if she knew what was coming. That mirandaesque catwoman suit, that make-up? Give me a break.. 3. 2nd human Spectre. It comes with 1. but it's worth mentioning. For Kaidan it's a biotic Alliance officer with the long list of commendations trusted enough already to lead the whole division, in Ashley's case it's basically a ground-stomping marine. 4. Character development and conversations. I can only judge Ashley's scenes via youtube, but I have a strong feeling that some of her scenes are deeply OOC (like getting drunk aboard the Normandy, really?). Kaidan does not have much, but he's consistent. His Vancouver origin adds some flavours too. So, while Kaidan is doomed to use the shared animation and had only used his biotics in a cut-scene once (Citadel DLC), I would not say that I envy the Ashmancers. , the ME1 trailer had her die at Virmire. But male Shep. Which leaves whom as the 'trailer-canon LI?..' Right, it leaves Liara . And FemShep has Ashley alive in ME3 cinematic trailer, which also leaves... Liara. What is the ship name for him and Fshep called? Shenko? It's Shenko in general (sometimes specified as mShenko for mShep). And the word is 'kaidanite'. Not Liara.. the trailer is unique. They play fully romanced scenes, as if it came before Virmire. In this version, I just see Liara feeling bad for Shep especially after he died. Just heartbreak and then his own death. Sorry for quoting the whole block btw... I'm finding it difficult to slim down the quotes on this board.
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Post by NRieh on Aug 31, 2016 9:48:14 GMT
They had added partial quotes mod recently, but it's not intuitive and it only works for non-mobile (as far as I can see). To make a quote one has to select the text, press the gear icon in the upper-right corner of the post and pick 'quote selection' - ok. It can be done several times, then head to 'more reply options' button, and all the. quotes appear in 'quotes' tab. As for Liara being an omnipresent LI - 'That was a joke'(c) EDI.
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Post by straykat on Aug 31, 2016 9:51:00 GMT
They had added partial quotes mod recently, but it's not intuitive and it only works for non-mobile (as far as I can see). To make a quote one has to select the text, press the gear icon in the upper-right corner of the post and pick 'quote selection' - ok. It can be done several times, then head to 'more reply options' button, and all the. quotes appear in 'quotes' tab. As for Liara being an omnipresent LI - 'That was a joke'(c) EDI. Doh.. sorry for not getting it then Thanks for the advice on quotes..
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 31, 2016 10:02:16 GMT
Always more Kaidan. And Kaidan looks great with that scruffy beard... Oh, but Kaidan did have 'better'. As funny as it is, the whole 'Virmire Survivor' (I hate the 'title'!) plot makes the most sense with Kaidan. 1. The promotion. Kaidan was Staff Commander on Horizon. It's 2 ranks higher than he'd been 2 years ago on SR1 (and 1 rank above Lt.Cmdr. Shepard ) at this point, and within 6 months he gets another promotion and becomes the Major reason to replay ME3 a Major. Very likely it had something to do with his assignment to the biotic division. Ashley's a Gunnery Chief in ME1 (and struggles with her 'no-promotions-for-Williams' dramma), in ME2 she's addressed as 'Operation chief' and then, 6 months later she's....tadam!..a Lt.Commander (of a sudden, becoming equal with Shepard). 2. The reskin. To be honest, ME1 Kaidan model is my favourite one. I can't help it. The eyes, the sublte facial animations, the complexion. They had also screwed the arms&hands badly in ME3. But with all the 'tweaks' Kaidan had got (like lack of shaving and slightly overpumped body type), Ashley had it much-much worse. They had literally destroyed the character visuals, those heels and a battle skirt look horrible. The Ashley I remember would've died for the second time if she knew what was coming. That mirandaesque catwoman suit, that make-up? Give me a break.. 3. 2nd human Spectre. It comes with 1. but it's worth mentioning. For Kaidan it's a biotic Alliance officer with the long list of commendations trusted enough already to lead the whole division, in Ashley's case it's basically a ground-stomping marine. 4. Character development and conversations. I can only judge Ashley's scenes via youtube, but I have a strong feeling that some of her scenes are deeply OOC (like getting drunk aboard the Normandy, really?). Kaidan does not have much, but he's consistent. His Vancouver origin adds some flavours too. So, while Kaidan is doomed to use the shared animation and had only used his biotics in a cut-scene once (Citadel DLC), I would not say that I envy the Ashmancers. I meant it more in the promotional aspect. I agree with what you wrote; Kaidan did get a way better deal throughout the trilogy, but he was kinda snubbed by BioWare. ...And much of the community. There are many who will never give him a fair chance. (Still don't understand why he's "whiny." I really, really don't.) The funny thing for me is that I like the idea of the Virmire Situation ( ), but I'd still love to have both of them in 3. It would've been interesting. Especially since I was disappointed with Ashley in 3. It didn't feel like she had any growth at all, and I wasn't crazy about her to start with in ME1. I think "officially" speaking Ashley is probably more a "favored" character and Liara is the favored LI. She's obviously popular (because asari, I'd wager) and she has that magical plot armor that makes her seem "designated." Not Liara.. the trailer is unique. They play fully romanced scenes, as if it came before Virmire. In this version, I just see Liara feeling bad for Shep especially after he died. Just heartbreak and then his own death. Sorry for quoting the whole block btw... I'm finding it difficult to slim down the quotes on this board. Yeah, I didn't either. You can go into the BBCode and remove the extra from-- [ quote timestamp username ] to [ / quote ] (just be careful of what you're removing) --then switch back to preview. It's really a bad explanation but I hope that helps. Edit: ninja'd? I'm slow. Still, hope it helps for trimming extra quotes within quotes.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Aug 31, 2016 12:01:29 GMT
Did you guys mean this ME1 trailer? Romance and excessive nuclear mushroom... Loads of emotional bribery with a specific audience in mind. I don't want her to be just the token female that need saving. She's a soldier who know the risks. By leaving her on Virmire to defend the bomb from the geth and destroying the breeding facility, she was no longer the survivor who ran away from the geth when the rest of her unit was slaughtered on Eden Prime. She redeemed her family's name, her death was honored by the Salarians and Turians despite her xenophobia. Wrex also sympathise her demise even if it meant destroying the cure and the chance of her pulling the trigger on him. But yes, it does seem that Kaidan is the designated Virmire Sacrifice. Ashley's surviving Virmire is pretty much embedded in Arrival DLC as she's in the Object Rho visions even if you choose Kaidan. But this is before ME3 come out. Hardly anyone expected that Ashley was being written as second-rated Miranda (same writer) and that Kaidan fit the story better. Vancouver-raised, decorated senior military officer. An Earthborn Spectre who would do anything to help Shepard save Earth and his mother. BTW, do you think Kaidan's dad still alive by the end of reaper war? He's merely listed as Missing in Action.
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Post by straykat on Aug 31, 2016 12:08:47 GMT
Did you guys mean this ME1 trailer? Romance and excessive nuclear mushroom... Loads of emotional bribery with a specific audience in mind. I don't want her to be just the token female that need saving. She's a soldier who know the risks. By leaving her on Virmire to defend the bomb from the geth and destroying the breeding facility, she was no longer the survivor who ran away from the geth when the rest of her unit was slaughtered on Eden Prime. She redeemed her family's name, her death was honored by the Salarians and Turians despite her xenophobia. Wrex also sympathise her demise even if it meant destroying the cure and the chance of her pulling the trigger on him. But yes, it does seem that Kaidan is the designated Virmire Sacrifice. Ashley's surviving Virmire is pretty much embedded in Arrival DLC as she's in the Object Rho visions even if you choose Kaidan. But this is before ME3 come out. Hardly anyone expected that Ashley was being written as second-rated Miranda (same writer) and that Kaidan fit the story better. Vancouver-raised, decorated senior military officer. An Earthborn Spectre who would do anything to help Shepard save Earth and his mother. BTW, do you think Kaidan's dad still alive by the end of reaper war? He's merely listed as Missing in Action. She never ran away from her squad. They got wasted. Only Renegade Shep wants to be a dick about it. The comics present what happened. I was always curious about the Object Rho thing. That sucks.. Ugh they can be lazy sometimes.
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Post by NRieh on Aug 31, 2016 12:38:44 GMT
Ashley's surviving Virmire is pretty much embedded in Arrival DLC as she's in the Object Rho visions Those visions are basically an easter-egg, something no one would ever see. That timer is reeeeally slow, even on my first PT I've had plenty of the count-down left. I've heard that people who had posted the vids on the YT had to idle the whole thing. No wonder BW had never bothered to make a special 'Kaidan' version of it. do you think Kaidan's dad still alive by the end of reaper war? He's merely listed as Missing in Action. I think he's not. It would take some time to sort it all out and count the total casualties, but eventually it's going to be 'killed in action'. I think his Mother survives, though.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Aug 31, 2016 13:58:08 GMT
She never ran away from her squad. They got wasted. Only Renegade Shep wants to be a dick about it. The comics present what happened. I was always curious about the Object Rho thing. That sucks.. Ugh they can be lazy sometimes. Didn't realize she was with Kaidan in this panel. Its a story she told to a stranger. She was dealing with the aftermath and still trying to convince herself that she did what she could. But it didn't explain her persistent guilt over her unit in ME3 and how her aggression can be be a defensive reaction. And the first few pages of the comic itself show that her squad members were separated from her and the fighting is still ongoing while one of them ran away, later caught and interrogated by the Illusive Man. Headcanon or not, a lot of things in the series are ambiguous as f.... Those visions are basically an easter-egg, something no one would ever see. That timer is reeeeally slow, even on my first PT I've had plenty of the count-down left. I've heard that people who had posted the vids on the YT had to idle the whole thing. No wonder BW had never bothered to make a special 'Kaidan' version of it. I think he's not. It would take some time to sort it all out and count the total casualties, but eventually it's going to be 'killed in action'. I think his Mother survives, though. There's a slight silhouette of Ash in the initial vision. Reaper objects letting Shepard seeing the actual future.... I wouldn't be surprise if reapers themselves break space time continuum and the Andromeda crew entered at alternate realm instead. A thought occurred to me recently when I was thinking about Vega's Paragon Lost movie and Horizon. The reapers knew about Kaidan/Ashley's relationship to Shepard that it targeted Horizon because of that. If Kaidan's dad is also an Alenko, there's a chance he was taken alive and interrogated about his son and Shepard or had to go underground and lost contact to the Alliance command or something. Also I want a happy ending for the Papa and Mama Alenko. Hmm... fanfic fodder.
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Post by straykat on Aug 31, 2016 22:48:56 GMT
I think the guilt is the same as maybe default Shep. It's just her origin story, like Sole Survivor (although to be fair, Shep keeps having more tragedy stacked on, like we see in the ME3 nightmares). I think she works either way, as someone who goes out on Virmire or not. Like I said earlier, I'm still torn on what to do with these two, even years later
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Post by mechalynx on Sept 2, 2016 17:41:09 GMT
I believe Shenko is the general term for either Shep paring. It's been 4 years. I thought I put it all behind me. I had even forgotten what this ship was called. And then I came here and
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Post by neonmoth on Sept 2, 2016 20:40:07 GMT
*snip* That being said, I always like that I learn more about Shepard through him. More specifically, the one who was afraid to love and need more TLC than others. This is pretty much one of the main reasons why I adore his character. His interactions make me often rethink how I perceive my own Shepard, how she develops through the course of the trilogy. Even when she's angry and upset and does some dubious things, he's still at the back of her mind. He's such a great foil to my renegon, I can truly believe he's the only thing that keeps her alive and sane... okay alive-ish and sane-ish.
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Post by straykat on Sept 2, 2016 20:58:33 GMT
Does he generally work better with a Renegade or Renegon? I mean, I know anything works, but just kind of curious if this is somewhat better.
Like I think Garrus and Jack might work better slightly more Paragon or middle of the road (but even that isn't entirely true. They're complicated lol).
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Post by neonmoth on Sept 2, 2016 22:21:07 GMT
Does he generally work better with a Renegade or Renegon? I mean, I know anything works, but just kind of curious if this is somewhat better. Like I think Garrus and Jack might work better slightly more Paragon or middle of the road (but even that isn't entirely true. They're complicated lol). It's as you say, whatever works for an individual. In my case it's my renegon, who is rough around the edges, quite pragmatic, with some unresolved anger issues under the surface that strike every now and again, but generally a reasonable human being. Kaidan being a paragon, thoughtful, more stable one of the two really keeps her grounded. I like to think that he sees how difficult it is to make decisions, especially in a heat of a moment as Shepard often does, and that in those circumstances she's bound to make mistakes or choose less than optimal solutions. He admires her in spite of those mistakes or possibly because of them, since she keeps on going. He's more reflective, she's more reactive. They compliment each other. She values his counsel, he accepts that sometimes she needs to get her hands dirty. For some reason I really like this dynamic. I've never played a purely aligned character. Not that I haven't tried :] I know that paragon pt pretty much gives you a smooth sailing throughout the games but I often ignore my meta-knowledge. I usually like playing more nuanced characters anyway. To this day I don't think I have ever saved the rachni queen (and it's the most heart wrenching decision) or killed the colonists (the game practically forces you to use the grenades). Edit: Indeed, I like Garrus and Jack with more paragon oriented Sheps
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 4, 2016 16:26:21 GMT
I love it when sometimes she would look to him across her shoulder and he would look at her as if they're having a silent communication and "I've got you back" thingy. Of course, the requirement is bringing him everywhere.. While Kaidan do joke around in ME1 but he is serious, calculating and intuitive. Shepard did call him the brain of the team while Ash is the heart. He would speak up and offer his advice about the situation at hand which is a particular trait of a trusted confidante than a follower. He's very accommodating to a Renegade Shepard but he would speak up if he disapproves. You can make him renegade but I don't think its necessary. I prefer his Renegade Romance better than the Paragon which is too vanilla for me. The experience varies on how you play Shepard. I like playing mine as a Neutral Renegade who is an alpha bitch but she doesn't do things out of spite and Kaidan is the voice of reason by her side. He is the stabilizing element in her life and her anchor. When he's not around, she became much more colder and distant (which explain all the explosions in ME2). I like how ME3 Shepard starts to get nightmares whenever there's something major happening between the two of them. You just have to be more careful about choosing the renegade lines in ME1 ( this'll help).
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Sept 7, 2016 17:58:09 GMT
I always love seeing aoibhealfae post her pictures of Kaidan! And I love his beard mod.......that I still haven't even looked into I have no play throughs where Ashley made it through Virmire so I've not seen what happened to her in ME3 personally. But I do remember my son not being happy with it From what I've heard, Kaidan got the much better handling. And for that, I'm glad I just wish the same could have been done for Ashley and her fans.
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Post by neonmoth on Sept 7, 2016 21:57:26 GMT
I always love seeing aoibhealfae post her pictures of Kaidan! And I love his beard mod.......that I still haven't even looked into I have no play throughs where Ashley made it through Virmire so I've not seen what happened to her in ME3 personally. But I do remember my son not being happy with it From what I've heard, Kaidan got the much better handling. And for that, I'm glad I just wish the same could have been done for Ashley and her fans. Ditto about aoibhealfae pics! I love Ash so much so I had to make one pt with her alive. It was very painful to leave Kaidan behind (especially that I left him with the bomb, so I basically watched him die) :/ What I missed the most with Ash in me3, and it's probably very subjective, but the relationship with her lack the same level of intimacy as the one with Kaidan, she generally feels quite detached through big chunks of the game. It's possible that it's down to how the content was distributed. Still, some scenes with her were lovely, particularly the one before cerberus hq was very beautiful, sensual, a great call back to the beginnings.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Sept 7, 2016 22:10:46 GMT
I always love seeing aoibhealfae post her pictures of Kaidan! And I love his beard mod.......that I still haven't even looked into I have no play throughs where Ashley made it through Virmire so I've not seen what happened to her in ME3 personally. But I do remember my son not being happy with it From what I've heard, Kaidan got the much better handling. And for that, I'm glad I just wish the same could have been done for Ashley and her fans. Ditto about aoibhealfae pics! I love Ash so much so I had to make one pt with her alive. It was very painful to leave Kaidan behind (especially that I left him with the bomb, so I basically watched him die) :/ What I missed the most with Ash in me3, and it's probably very subjective, but the relationship with her lack the same level of intimacy as the one with Kaidan, she generally feels quite detached through big chunks of the game. It's possible that it's down to how the content was distributed. Still, some scenes with her were lovely, particularly the one before cerberus hq was very beautiful, sensual, a great call back to the beginnings. I have a baby mShep in ME1. Maybe I will have him romance Ashley instead of Liara and leave (gulp) Kaidan behind *criesallovertheplace*
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Post by neonmoth on Sept 7, 2016 22:24:50 GMT
Ditto about aoibhealfae pics! I love Ash so much so I had to make one pt with her alive. It was very painful to leave Kaidan behind (especially that I left him with the bomb, so I basically watched him die) :/ What I missed the most with Ash in me3, and it's probably very subjective, but the relationship with her lack the same level of intimacy as the one with Kaidan, she generally feels quite detached through big chunks of the game. It's possible that it's down to how the content was distributed. Still, some scenes with her were lovely, particularly the one before cerberus hq was very beautiful, sensual, a great call back to the beginnings. I have a baby mShep in ME1. Maybe I will have him romance Ashley instead of Liara and leave (gulp) Kaidan behind *criesallovertheplace* It's hard to even say if it's worth it. I really like that Shep, which made it so much more bearable. And I still liked Ash in me3, but I wish she had more content. Funnily enough I thought she'd have a very similar final scene (pre cerberus hq) to Kaidan, but they were quite different.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 8, 2016 0:38:34 GMT
The idea of having Ash being the VS is a difficult one for me. The best I've been able to do is make a new ME3 where Ashley survived. Even then, I at some point used a mod to make Kaidan also be alive. That's damn quirky but I felt better seeing his face.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 2:32:32 GMT
I'm on ps3, so I didn't get to experience ME 1 till much later on. I enjoyed Ashley's content in 3 a couple times, but in mass effect 1 I only saved her once, Kaidan is my Mass Effect one true romance, and it's just too painful to leave him behind.
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Post by legbamel on Sept 8, 2016 2:48:21 GMT
I made Kaidan renegade once, and it was awful. He turned full xenophobe and it was so OOC and wrong I felt like I broke him. My husband got a good laugh at me apologizing to the screen. It was the first time I ever got that invested in a PC! (Then I played DA:O and there was Alistair...) For me, the best part of most BioWare games is the room for speculation and headcannon that games with a set protagonist don't give me. I feel like each Shep is a different person and I have enough leeway to make her (and her relationship to her crew) different within the framework. Granted, I always end up with Kaidan, even the few that fall and grieve for Thane. DA does the same and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that ME:A keeps that variety intact.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Sept 8, 2016 2:53:58 GMT
Left Kaidan once. With the bomb. I wanted to have Ashley in at least one playthrough, but I won't leave him again. Doesn't feel right without Kaidan around. Just. The game was missing something. It felt incomplete for me. (Like I lost a limb ) This was made worse when he's mentioned by others. Please don't remind me of that, squadies. Just don't.
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