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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 31, 2017 6:40:52 GMT
I was just wondering... we made so many discussions in here about MEA and ME overall - in some many different topics people are pointing things they love and they hate, things they missed and things they would like to see... and sometimes I got the feeling Kickstarter could be the right place for ME. It's a fair deal - you pay and you get what you would like to see. Star Citizen, Pillars, Torment for example... and ME community is so much bigger! It shouldn't be a problem to earn enough money to fund MEA2 or whatever we would like to see. C'mon, it's EA - so it's all about money, about making profits. So many of us are putting a lot of money on deluxe editions, special editions, dlc's, appearance pack's etc. - it will be not better to put that money in the project, on which we have influence ?
I will definitely support it. Just imagine... dat ass ?
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Post by Sanunes on May 31, 2017 6:57:34 GMT
Nope, no way, it will never happen.
EA owns Mass Effect, it would be the same as the people from Black Isle trying to make a Fallout game via crowdfunding. They don't have any legal right to use anything Mass Effect related to make a game outside of making it for EA. You would have zero influence in the game, they don't make polls trying to judge what you want to see and I have seen people withdraw huge backer amounts because near the end the studio announced they are doing something people don't like. Besides we have a lot of influence over BioWare already, otherwise I doubt they would have made Andromeda an open world game.
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If a publisher like EA goes to the crowdfunded well for money it would not go over well because frankly crowd funding is about getting money to developers that cannot get funding any other way. Its not "well we want more money so give it to us".
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Post by isaidlunch on May 31, 2017 7:01:19 GMT
Torment was a financial failure
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Post by foxhole on May 31, 2017 8:34:43 GMT
What are you, twelve?
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Post by guanxi on May 31, 2017 10:49:24 GMT
Torment was a financial failure Tim Schaffer & the Wasteland guys seem to do okay. Might be the only option to create a spiritual successor if EA shelve the series. What would a spiritual successor to ME look like? Well I guess a bunch of devs could re-create the premise of Andromeda but not bring along any of the established races and just have humans and new species but very similar (i.e. re-named/tweaked) gameplay mechanics and guns.
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Post by clips7 on May 31, 2017 10:50:10 GMT
For the type of production values this franchise needs, kickstarter is not the way to go. I think you would see a drop in overall quality from the high production values we are used to.
Yes Andromeda has a drop in quality compared to the OT in terms of character animations and such (that have been addressed) but looking at the complete package of Andromeda and you can see the game has high production values. The Issues with Mass Effect at the moment are fixaxble...the next game just needs a better thought-out streamlined story and more interesting characters and development.
Some here may be critical of Andromeda, but the game is not going to tank the series by a long shot.
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Post by guanxi on May 31, 2017 10:57:03 GMT
For the type of production values this franchise needs, kickstarter is not the way to go. I think you would see a drop in overall quality from the high production values we are used to. Yes Andromeda has a drop in quality compared to the OT in terms of character animations and such (that have been addressed) but looking at the complete package of Andromeda and you can see the game has high production values. The Issues with Mass Effect at the moment are fixaxble...the next game just needs a better thought-out streamlined story and more interesting characters and development. Some here may be critical of Andromeda, but the game is not going to tank the series by a long shot. Maybe the first kick-starter could be just free-to-play multiplayer horde-mode which would provide on-going financial support. Once the gameplay is rock solid and they have a base to work with they could attract a third party publisher like Namco Bandai to bank-roll a single-player campaign with AAA production values.
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Post by Sanunes on May 31, 2017 11:44:18 GMT
I don't think the Mass Effect franchise is in as much trouble as the internet proclaims it to be. Even with that said if the game was a multi-million dollar loss if you include advertising, I still don't think EA would even come to the table to allow anyone else to use the IP they own. Now if they did how could someone afford the cost of the license and making the game. I would like to know how people would get around that snag.
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Post by guanxi on May 31, 2017 11:49:45 GMT
I don't think the Mass Effect franchise is in as much trouble as the internet proclaims it to be. Even with that said if the game was a multi-million dollar loss if you include advertising, I still don't think EA would even come to the table to allow anyone else to use the IP they own. Now if they did how could someone afford the cost of the license and making the game. I would like to know how people would get around that snag. They wouldn't and couldn't. It would be the BioShock to Mass Effect's System Shock 2. They could even call it Andromeda 2 or Andromeda: Origins and probably get away with it.
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Post by setokaiba on May 31, 2017 12:11:04 GMT
No, a lot of the hate people give this game is them jumping on the bandwagon and they never touched the game themselves. This game has its problems but not kill off the series bad. They just need better writers to be honest.
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Post by guanxi on May 31, 2017 12:16:17 GMT
No, a lot of the hate people give this game is them jumping on the bandwagon and they never touched the game themselves. This game has its problems but not kill off the series bad. They just need better writers to be honest. People said the same thing about Dead Space. EA killed Medal of Honor which was way more popular than Mass Effect - the list is endless, it's happened before it'll happen again. It's nice to know that it needn't be the end of the road as unlikely as it may seem right now. Who knows 10 years later Casey might pop up a gain with a familiar premise that gains kick starter momentum.
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Post by Sanunes on May 31, 2017 12:38:27 GMT
I don't think the Mass Effect franchise is in as much trouble as the internet proclaims it to be. Even with that said if the game was a multi-million dollar loss if you include advertising, I still don't think EA would even come to the table to allow anyone else to use the IP they own. Now if they did how could someone afford the cost of the license and making the game. I would like to know how people would get around that snag. They wouldn't and couldn't. It would be the BioShock to Mass Effect's System Shock 2. They could even call it Andromeda 2 or Andromeda: Origins and probably get away with it. In my opinion to make the games different enough from one another so much would need to be changed that they might as well create a new IP of their own and not risk EA shutting them down.
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Post by guanxi on May 31, 2017 12:42:45 GMT
They wouldn't and couldn't. It would be the BioShock to Mass Effect's System Shock 2. They could even call it Andromeda 2 or Andromeda: Origins and probably get away with it. In my opinion to make the games different enough from one another so much would need to be changed that they might as well create a new IP of their own and not risk EA shutting them down. No no no EA you've got it all wrong... these aren't biotics these are penicillins. These aren't turians these are the birdmen from the planet paladin. It'd have a funny endearing charm in a wink and a nod sort of way. I'd dig it.
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Post by Sanunes on May 31, 2017 13:03:33 GMT
No, a lot of the hate people give this game is them jumping on the bandwagon and they never touched the game themselves. This game has its problems but not kill off the series bad. They just need better writers to be honest. People said the same thing about Dead Space. EA killed Medal of Honor which was way more popular than Mass Effect - the list is endless, it's happened before it'll happen again. It's nice to know that it needn't be the end of the road as unlikely as it may seem right now. Who knows 10 years later Casey might pop up a gain with a familiar premise that gains kick starter momentum. I get what you are saying about the past track record of EA, but they have new leadership that seems to have a different approach right now as well. I think there is a real chance that Andromeda sold the numbers EA was looking for or at least was very close to, but at the same time they are going to look for ways to prevent what happened with Andromeda from happening again prior to really starting to get into development where the systems might not be properly implemented because development is already underway. Of course the opposite is true and they are letting the franchise sit for a few years too.
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Post by Ahriman on May 31, 2017 13:34:11 GMT
OP, are you feeling alright? I'm worried.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 13:43:49 GMT
God, I hope never, never, never... Crowd funding for even more widespread fans offering direct (and often conflicting) input on a franchise that needs solid singular direction and better oversight. Disaster.
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Post by kino on May 31, 2017 15:20:50 GMT
Kickstarting Mass Effect would require EA to give up the license to the ME universe. That'd include the books, products, characters...and that'll never happen. Even if EA were to shelve the games they'd not give up the property and product licensing.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jun 1, 2017 10:52:57 GMT
As long as they don't sell the license to inXile I could also back that project Torment was a financial failure $4.5 million raised just to deliver.... that :smh:
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Post by derrame on Jun 1, 2017 13:19:00 GMT
no, a game like this neeeds a lot of money, kickstarter would never reach that amount
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Post by What Else You Need To Know? on Jun 1, 2017 14:48:56 GMT
My experiences with Kickstarter may not be like yours or anyone else's, but after having devoted effort and money to it in the past I will not ever be doing that again. Complete waste.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 2, 2017 5:57:16 GMT
Torment was a financial failure I never saw numbers on that. Can anyone point me at some?
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 2, 2017 6:13:27 GMT
Torment was a financial failure I never saw numbers on that. Can anyone point me at some? No numbers except for the owner count on steamspy that's barely moved since launch, although there was this interview on everyone's favorite website.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 2, 2017 15:15:47 GMT
Thanks. 120K and change, plus the Kickstarter money, against dev costs...
Depending on the Steam revenue split, it looks like the majority of their money came from Kickstarter.
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