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Post by sil on Jun 5, 2017 16:28:43 GMT
If anyone was ever interested in what other races might exist in the Milky Way galaxy then look no further! Mass Effect Galaxy reveals a whole bunch of them on a planet called Tortuga. Bear in mind that none of these can be Kirik, Virtual Aliens or Raloi, as at this stage of the setting none of these three have been discovered or part of the galactic community. So these are entirely new alien races. I wonder who they are
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 5, 2017 21:48:24 GMT
Good question but none of them seem to have embassies so they're some serious client races with very little to offer.
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Post by Dr. Vanity on Jun 5, 2017 22:42:33 GMT
Mass Effect has dropped hints at other races numerous times, one of the books mentions the Terminus Systems being home to "species not welcome in Council Space," which I doubt is just Vorcha and Batarians. Darn shame we didn't see this developed more, its a big galaxy with the opportunity for a lot more races to be running about.
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Post by sil on Jun 5, 2017 22:54:01 GMT
I think I can link a couple of them up to more detailed concept art from the art books. What I find interesting is that there are quite a few new races there on top of the 4 that we know of but don't know the appearance of (Lystheni, Kirik, Raloi, Virtual Aliens). There are also hints in other places, such as the turian Hierarchy having auxiliary units formed from their client races, one of which is the Volus, and the races from the Terminus Systems that Dr. Vanity mentioned above. The modder in me wonders what can be done about them, could a model of one or two of them be snuck into the background somewhere on the Citadel, just as a hint towards how vast the number of races are. When it comes to embassies.. do we really know that they don't have any? I mean, we've only ever seen a small part of the Citadel, it could be that they have their embassies elsewhere on the Presidium. I really wish Bioware would create a lore tome like the Chronicle volumes, so we can get vastly detailed lore on the Milky Way galaxy. Edit: This guy could be the one begging on the floor, they've got a similar leg and arm structure.
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Post by Dr. Vanity on Jun 5, 2017 23:03:36 GMT
I think I can link a couple of them up to more detailed concept art from the art books. What I find interesting is that there are quite a few new races there on top of the 4 that we know of but don't know the appearance of (Lystheni, Kirik, Raloi, Virtual Aliens). There are also hints in other places, such as the turian Hierarchy having auxiliary units formed from their client races, one of which is the Volus, and the races from the Terminus Systems that Dr. Vanity mentioned above. The modder in me wonders what can be done about them, could a model of one or two of them be snuck into the background somewhere on the Citadel, just as a hint towards how vast the number of races are. When it comes to embassies.. do we really know that they don't have any? I mean, we've only ever seen a small part of the Citadel, it could be that they have their embassies elsewhere on the Presidium. I really wish Bioware would create a lore tome like the Chronicle volumes, so we can get vastly detailed lore on the Milky Way galaxy. From what I understand based on ME1 and ME: Revelations, having an embassy is actually a pretty big freaking deal since only the most influential races in the galaxy get to have a seat at the Council's table. Hence why so many species thought humans were uppity since they got an embassy two-to-three decades after joining the rest of the galaxy whereas races like the Volus and Batarians (they did indeed have an embassy at one point) had to fight tooth and nail to get such representation. We do see that Quarians lack an embassy (mainly due to the Morning War and Geth) and neither do the Drell (who are clients of the Hanar). The Elcor share their embassy space, which I believe was meant to show that the Presidium is smaller than we think. Raloi were just touring and experiencing the Citadel when the Reaper War began (shame they didnt appear in game, that could have been INTERESTING).
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Post by sil on Jun 5, 2017 23:09:39 GMT
From what I understand based on ME1 and ME: Revelations, having an embassy is actually a pretty big freaking deal since only the most influential races in the galaxy get to have a seat at the Council's table. Hence why so many species thought humans were uppity since they got an embassy two-to-three decades after joining the rest of the galaxy whereas races like the Volus and Batarians (they did indeed have an embassy at one point) had to fight tooth and nail to get such representation. We do see that Quarians lack an embassy (mainly due to the Morning War and Geth) and neither do the Drell (who are clients of the Hanar). The Elcor share their embassy space, which I believe was meant to show that the Presidium is smaller than we think. Raloi were just touring and experiencing the Citadel when the Reaper War began (shame they didnt appear in game, that could have been INTERESTING). To be fair, the quarians lost their embassy. I get the feeling that client species don't often get embassies or at least, they don't get embassies that directly deal with the Council but may have smaller embassies that instead deal primarily with the races that they are clients to. So some of these species could be clients of the Turians, so they may end up dealing with the turian embassy, before their issues go further up the chain to the Citadel. Sadly we didn't get to see more of the embassies, I'd have liked to have seen the Hanar one. And the Raloi, I really wanted to see them, and the Virtual Aliens. Such a missed opportunity.
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Post by Dr. Vanity on Jun 5, 2017 23:12:41 GMT
From what I understand based on ME1 and ME: Revelations, having an embassy is actually a pretty big freaking deal since only the most influential races in the galaxy get to have a seat at the Council's table. Hence why so many species thought humans were uppity since they got an embassy two-to-three decades after joining the rest of the galaxy whereas races like the Volus and Batarians (they did indeed have an embassy at one point) had to fight tooth and nail to get such representation. We do see that Quarians lack an embassy (mainly due to the Morning War and Geth) and neither do the Drell (who are clients of the Hanar). The Elcor share their embassy space, which I believe was meant to show that the Presidium is smaller than we think. Raloi were just touring and experiencing the Citadel when the Reaper War began (shame they didnt appear in game, that could have been INTERESTING). To be fair, the quarians lost their embassy. I get the feeling that client species don't often get embassies or at least, they don't get embassies that directly deal with the Council but may have smaller embassies that instead deal primarily with the races that they are clients to. So some of these species could be clients of the Turians, so they may end up dealing with the turian embassy, before their issues go further up the chain to the Citadel. Sadly we didn't get to see more of the embassies, I'd have liked to have seen the Hanar one. And the Raloi, I really wanted to see them, and the Virtual Aliens. Such a missed opportunity. I would imagine smaller/client races have consulates of some sort we just don't see in game, similar to how IRL groups of certain nations may have consulates abroad (Like the Kurdish Regional Government's consulate in Washington DC despite being technically part of Iraq). Assuming there are additional client races of the Turians, I would imagine their interests are represented directly through the Turian Councilor or potentially the Volus, assuming the Hierarchy is receptive to the interests of many of its client races. I remember a few Cerberus Daily News articles detailing an insurgency in Turian space so they could have diplomatic issues...
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Post by sil on Jun 5, 2017 23:20:27 GMT
I would imagine smaller/client races have consulates of some sort we just don't see in game, similar to how IRL groups of certain nations may have consulates abroad (Like the Kurdish Regional Government's consulate in Washington DC despite being technically part of Iraq). Assuming there are additional client races of the Turians, I would imagine their interests are represented directly through the Turian Councilor or potentially the Volus, assuming the Hierarchy is receptive to the interests of many of its client races. I remember a few Cerberus Daily News articles detailing an insurgency in Turian space so they could have diplomatic issues... That was the War on Taetrus, really interesting Cerberus Daily News storyline. I've done a lot of research on those news stories for my mod, heh. I think you're right about consulate, and I'm pretty sure there are more client races than just the volus. I remember reading that part of why the Relay 314 incident was kept so quiet by the turians was that they were attempting to turn humans into another client race by annihilating the military. Really need to find more info on it, maybe the novels have some?
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 5, 2017 23:43:32 GMT
I would imagine smaller/client races have consulates of some sort we just don't see in game, similar to how IRL groups of certain nations may have consulates abroad (Like the Kurdish Regional Government's consulate in Washington DC despite being technically part of Iraq). Assuming there are additional client races of the Turians, I would imagine their interests are represented directly through the Turian Councilor or potentially the Volus, assuming the Hierarchy is receptive to the interests of many of its client races. I remember a few Cerberus Daily News articles detailing an insurgency in Turian space so they could have diplomatic issues... That was the War on Taetrus, really interesting Cerberus Daily News storyline. I've done a lot of research on those news stories for my mod, heh. I think you're right about consulate, and I'm pretty sure there are more client races than just the volus. I remember reading that part of why the Relay 314 incident was kept so quiet by the turians was that they were attempting to turn humans into another client race by annihilating the military. Really need to find more info on it, maybe the novels have some? It's not in Revelation, which is the earliest of any of the ME novels. I'm reading Ascension right now but I have my doubts that they'll cover that territory.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jun 6, 2017 4:19:35 GMT
That was the War on Taetrus, really interesting Cerberus Daily News storyline. I've done a lot of research on those news stories for my mod, heh. I think you're right about consulate, and I'm pretty sure there are more client races than just the volus. I remember reading that part of why the Relay 314 incident was kept so quiet by the turians was that they were attempting to turn humans into another client race by annihilating the military. Really need to find more info on it, maybe the novels have some? It's not in Revelation, which is the earliest of any of the ME novels. I'm reading Ascension right now but I have my doubts that they'll cover that territory. The vorcha have no embassy but there is a sub-group that look to the Asari who guided them into more gentle ways than the main group on the home planet Heshtok. This group's interest is represented by the Asari. The Raloi withdrew from any interaction with the rest of the galaxy after learning of the Reaper threat, destroying their own technologies to prevent their own demise / invasion of their homeworld. I think they should not be counted as part of the advanced races since they chose to isolate themselves, kicking themselves back into the stone age.
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Post by Serza on Jun 6, 2017 7:20:09 GMT
Well, it was probably the Raloi who led the next cycle in the Refuse ending.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 6, 2017 13:59:50 GMT
Well, it was probably the Raloi who led the next cycle in the Refuse ending. Or the yahg. It was specifically pointed out that their homeworld was untouched by the Reapers.
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Post by sil on Jun 6, 2017 15:09:09 GMT
I would have thought that neither would run the next cycle. There is evidence of Reapers wiping out bronze age civilisations to cover up evidence of the Reapings, so they wouldn't allow two races that have interacted with the Citadel to survive, especially at their technological levels.
The race I'd expect to lead it are the Kirik, they're sentient bugs but aren't yet intelligent enough to have formed a proper civilisation. In 50,000 years? It could be they've evolved and matured a great deal as a species and formed a full culture and civilisation. But again, they've been met, so they could've been wiped out too.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 6, 2017 16:58:46 GMT
The yahg didn't really interact with the Citadel. They were confined to their homeworld for killing the Council first contact team. Sure, there were those ones the salarian were trying to uplift, but I think it's clear the planet itself remained pre-spaceflight. And, like I said, we know for a fact that the Reapers were ignoring the yahg homeworld. Also, we know the protheans had contact with the asari during their cycle, even genetically altering them. Also had contact with humans, hanar, turians and salarians. Yet, they were all left alone.
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Post by sil on Jun 6, 2017 17:41:12 GMT
We know for a fact that they were ignoring the yahg homeworld, that's true, but ME3 takes place in only a short period of time and we know that the Reapers will spend centuries cleansing the galaxy. I'd be extremely surprised if they ignored the Yahg.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 6, 2017 18:49:03 GMT
I thought it was always clear that there are way more races in the ME universe then we are shown. The ones we deal with are just the moost powerful ones around.
But even in the first Mass Effect it's mentioned a couple of times that e.g. "dozens of races" live on the Citadel (I think it's Barla Von who mentions it).
Also, remember that only 1% of the galaxy is explored and there are many unopened relays out there. Hell, for all we know, there might be an entire second interstellar community out there (although, I will admit, the apparent focus of the reapers on us during ME3 and the fact that we can at least chart systems with very powerful telescopes makes this highly unlikely).
There would still be so much to discover in the Milky Way. Gian Garson was crazy spending all those resources on going to Andromeda.
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Post by Serza on Jun 6, 2017 19:57:35 GMT
I thought it was always clear that there are way more races in the ME universe then we are shown. The ones we deal with are just the moost powerful ones around. But even in the first Mass Effect it's mentioned a couple of times that e.g. "dozens of races" live on the Citadel (I think it's Barla Von who mentions it). Also, remember that only 1% of the galaxy is explored and there are many unopened relays out there. Hell, for all we know, there might be an entire second interstellar community out there (although, I will admit, the apparent focus of the reapers on us during ME3 and the fact that we can at least chart systems with very powerful telescopes makes this highly unlikely). There would still be so much to discover in the Milky Way. Gian Garson was crazy spending all those resources on going to Andromeda. Crazy as fuck, but the crazy paid off. That's the hilarious part.
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Post by sil on Jun 6, 2017 22:50:06 GMT
Crazy as fuck, but the crazy paid off. That's the hilarious part. True! Okay, I've been making a mod for awhile and after some careful consideration, I've decided to add two war assets to the game using the picture in the opening post; one will represent the unknown races that have a place (however small) on the Citadel, and the other will represent the those alien factions we haven't seen that exist in the Terminus Systems. In this way, I'll eventually have represented every single race in Mass Effect 3 by the time I'm finished. But I have a problem, although I will find it easy to write their war asset description, I have the serious issue of what to name the two war assets. Naming things has always been my greatest weakness with creative writing, so I was hoping that someone out there could help throw some suggestions my way. My thought is that the assets will represent the militaries of these unknown lesser races, all lumped together into a single war asset.
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Post by Serza on Jun 7, 2017 6:42:37 GMT
"Minor Citadel Races" and "Terminus Races"?
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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 9:27:02 GMT
Cheers for the suggestions! My only issue is that they feel like they're just describing that there are races out there, rather than an actual asset they're bringing to the war. Even so, more ideas I get then the better the chosen name will be.
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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 11:02:01 GMT
I've been asking around, these are the suggestions I've been given so far:
Minor Citadel Races Terminus Races Allied Regiment of Consuls Citadel Consulate Forces Allied Consulate Regiments Minor Citadel Forces Minor Citadel Fleet
Though some aren't bad, none are really grabbing me yet. Any other ideas?
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 7, 2017 12:40:00 GMT
But that was the naming convention. Like, after the Ex-Cerberus Scientists mission you get a war asset titled "Jacob Taylor". We also have "Shadow Broker Support Team", "Quarian Heavy Fleet", "Krogan Clans", etc. The names aren't flashy. It's more the description of the asset that would requirement the work.
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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 16:10:15 GMT
The description side of things isn't too difficult, its finding a name for the asset itself that is harder. Minor Citadel Forces could work, but the name feels more like it is saying that they are minor forces from the Citadel, rather than forces from the other aliens aligned with Council space. Minor Citadel Races gets across that its the less powerful races, but doesn't really say what the asset is. So I'm not sure where to go just yet with it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 7, 2017 20:36:24 GMT
The description side of things isn't too difficult, its finding a name for the asset itself that is harder. Minor Citadel Forces could work, but the name feels more like it is saying that they are minor forces from the Citadel, rather than forces from the other aliens aligned with Council space. Minor Citadel Races gets across that its the less powerful races, but doesn't really say what the asset is. So I'm not sure where to go just yet with it. Just keeping it in line with other things..."Kasumi Goto" also doesn't say what the asset is. It's exactly the same as "Minor Citadel Races". In both cases, a description provides more information.
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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 20:58:56 GMT
Thing is, with characters like Kasumi, you already know the character through playing the game, so there's no need for any additional label.
As this one is in the Citadel category, I could just name it Minor Race Forces, or Minor Race Fleet. It'd work for a temporary name until I find something that I feel works better.
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