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Post by RageUnderFire on Jun 7, 2017 1:02:32 GMT
I'll start.
Dropping Aroane.
The casual disregard for a defenseless enemy's life. Drack's laughter after murdering him punctuates the Renegade.
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Post by kino on Jun 7, 2017 1:12:53 GMT
I'll start. Dropping Aroane. The casual disregard for a defenseless enemy's life. Drack's laughter after murdering him punctuates the Renegade. Dammit...that's the one I would've gone with. Very renegade-ish. Alright, letting Sloane get shot. Not really a cruel moment, but very cold and calculating.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Jun 7, 2017 1:17:42 GMT
Drack's attitude after you chose his Krogan scouts over the alternative.
Zero fucks given that it costed the lives of "allies". It's borderline gloating.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 1:18:38 GMT
Shooting Kalinda in the back after PeeBee says she wants to save her.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Jun 7, 2017 1:20:34 GMT
Shooting Kalinda in the back after PeeBee says she wants to save her. I always go with this. That remnant piece looks like it'd be valuable in a future game
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 1:22:47 GMT
Shooting Kalinda in the back after PeeBee says she wants to save her. I always go with this. That remnant piece looks like it'd be valuable in a future game I might try it eventually lol
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Post by warrior on Jun 7, 2017 1:27:17 GMT
I always go with this. That remnant piece looks like it'd be valuable in a future game I might try it eventually lol Every time. She almost killed us all and she's super abusive. Girl bye
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Post by warrior on Jun 7, 2017 1:27:31 GMT
I always go with this. That remnant piece looks like it'd be valuable in a future game I might try it eventually lol Every time. She almost killed us all and she's super abusive. Girl bye.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Jun 7, 2017 1:38:33 GMT
It's harder to be Renegade in this game.
Ryder is naturally more sympathetic than Shepard
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Post by xassantex on Jun 7, 2017 1:38:55 GMT
Shooting Kalinda in the back after PeeBee says she wants to save her. i did in my last run and will keep it from now on. Kalinda just tried to have you killed again and again , so, fuck her. the other main Ranagade options have already been mentioned, the remaining ones are minor choices, like demoting Serissa as Pathfinder for example.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 1:40:25 GMT
Shooting Kalinda in the back after PeeBee says she wants to save her. i did in my last run and will keep it from now on. Kalinda just tried to have you killed again and again , so, fuck her. the other main Ranagade options have already been mentioned, the remaining ones are minor choices, like demoting Serissa as Pathfinder for example. I don't feel she was really in the wrong, so I never do it. She made a tough call. Shepard did worse. Cora just needs to deal with it.
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Post by zan on Jun 7, 2017 2:51:01 GMT
Besides ones mentioned, I'd say blowing up facility on Voeld. One of those "sacrifice a few for the bigger cause" ones would have to be renegade.
EDIT: I think demoting Sarissa would actually be a paragon choice - tell the truth and promote a newbie over experienced fighter. Remember, in ME, pragmatic = renegade most of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 3:23:12 GMT
Besides ones mentioned, I'd say blowing up facility on Voeld. One of those "sacrifice a few for the bigger cause" ones would have to be renegade. EDIT: I think demoting Sarissa would actually be a paragon choice - tell the truth and promote a newbie over experienced fighter. Remember, in ME, pragmatic = renegade most of the time. Definitely a renegade choice. I always choose it too. My god I am nearly pure renegade from these choices. I drop arone. I let Sloane get shot. I kill Kalinda. I blow up the facility on voeld. My Ryder is hardcore pragmatist who sees no point in letting problems continue to exist if he can end them there. I don't really see him as renegade. I just see him as having a ruthless efficiency. Interestingly I never chose the Ruthless background in ME, but this Ryder would definitely have that. I imagine Alec secretly telling him stories about his N7 days where he had to make difficult choices, 'cause you know, that's how you get to be an N7. And of course it rubbed of on little Ryder.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 7, 2017 3:29:23 GMT
Most renegade moment? Was there one?
Shooting the stowaway's girlfriend wasn't renegade. Blowing up the kett facility wasn't renegade.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Jun 7, 2017 3:30:55 GMT
So plotwise
If you blow up the facility, do those 3 Angara who come in with you die too?
That's the reason why I go with Jaal's idea
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Post by Kelwing on Jun 7, 2017 3:36:04 GMT
So plotwise If you blow up the facility, do those 3 Angara who come in with you die too? That's the reason why I go with Jaal's idea I think they do get out. Least that is how I took it. It's just that pretty much none of the other captured Angara are saved.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 3:36:41 GMT
If you don't blow it up, they help you in the final fight. I know that much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 3:37:22 GMT
Shooting Kalinda in the back after PeeBee says she wants to save her. i did in my last run and will keep it from now on. Kalinda just tried to have you killed again and again , so, fuck her. the other main Ranagade options have already been mentioned, the remaining ones are minor choices, like demoting Serissa as Pathfinder for example. I'm not sure demoting Sarissa really is a renegade option. That one is hard to tell. I think that one could be pure perspective. Both ways could be viewed as either paragon or renegade. Keeping her could be seen as renegade more like ruthless because you know she can do the job. Or it could be paragon because you don't have the heart to demote her and see her as just doing her job best she could trying to keep hope alive and not upset them. Likewise, demoting her could be paragon because you see her as a danger, that she takes too many risks and lies to people and thinks all her years of her experience mean she doesn't have to own up to things which would make her more of a renegade herself. Or it could be renegade because you just don't like her choice and want her to pay the price and humiliate her or be ruthless in your actions of how you handle it. I think that one is more intent based. Only the player would know their intent when doing it and how they viewed it. A few times I stuck it to Sarissa because I didn't like that she lied and felt that would be a wake up call for Cora who I needed to have a wake up call. Very renegade to be part of that just to get cora's head out of her ass. But other times I demoted her because I felt she was a genuine threat to the safety of the ark and would be dangerous as a pathfinder. Rationale was the lying and reckless tactics that nearly destroyed the ark. That felt paragon. Exposing the lie and forcing truth and change felt very paragon actually.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 3:43:55 GMT
Most renegade moment? Was there one? Shooting the stowaway's girlfriend wasn't renegade. Blowing up the kett facility wasn't renegade. To us they are not, but to many they are appalling choices. I can see how saving the angaran lives is paragon thereby making destroying the facility renegade. Pragmatic choices in this game tend to be viewed as renegade by other players. In threads where they are discussed you can see how that choice that we consider pragmatic is considered 'bad'. Like letting the angara die or shooting someone in the back. But that's sort of the short sighted view and not taking the whole situation into consideration.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 4:19:14 GMT
I wouldn't call it hardcore Renegade, but leaving the female Angara to freeze and starve, while trying to torture the Kett felt more like that, and shooting him felt more Paragon.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Jun 7, 2017 4:28:18 GMT
I wouldn't call it hardcore Renegade, but leaving the female Angara to freeze and starve, while trying to torture the Kett felt more like that, and shooting him felt more Paragon. Yea I busted a cap in that Kett's AZZ. Crazy Angara female would be more useful with her unit than inside that makeshift torture chamber
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Post by xassantex on Jun 7, 2017 5:59:00 GMT
i did in my last run and will keep it from now on. Kalinda just tried to have you killed again and again , so, fuck her. the other main Ranagade options have already been mentioned, the remaining ones are minor choices, like demoting Serissa as Pathfinder for example. I don't feel she was really in the wrong, so I never do it. She made a tough call. Shepard did worse. Cora just needs to deal with it. it 's a bit of a cornelian dilemma . Either choices kind of feel wrong, while both seem also valid. so i guess those choices aren't real renegade/paragon where according to your playstyle a choice would feel completely right , no second thoughts. ( although you can see Shepard feeling like shit after killing Mordin in ME3 )
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 6:01:32 GMT
I might try it eventually lol Every time. She almost killed us all and she's super abusive. Girl bye Yep right there with you. That bitch just sent waves of mercs, mechs, and those dog things after us. Plus she is just super stuck up. She never leaves there alive.
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 7, 2017 6:18:00 GMT
I always go with this. That remnant piece looks like it'd be valuable in a future game I might try it eventually lol I might too on my next playthrough, but I don't like the way the choice was set up. Shooting someone so another person won't be distracted and save them... I know Kalinda probably deserved it (and she was annoying), but I couldn't do it. Another classic "renegade interrupt" would be shooting the Cardinal in the back. Just the way Ryder says "don't count on it". Ha, I loved it I always do this- letting Ruth Bekker die so the Roekaar bioterrorist doesn't get away. Renegade isn't "evil" imo; it was a matter of cold calculus, as Garrus would say.
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Post by vonuber on Jun 7, 2017 7:21:07 GMT
Too many people (and it's largely biowares's fault) equate renegade actions with summary execution.
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