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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:47:02 GMT
I disagree, BioWare was behind the times when it came to both combat and vehicles in Mass Effect 1, the inputs into the game were awkward at best most of the time so the excuse of being 10 years ago doesn't matter when the controls felt like they were even older then that. I am not sure what is special about Vigil since he was an exposition dump for the Protheans very much like Tali for the Quarians and not sure what Sovereign did to give the series its acclaim for he basically said "you don't understand" a lot and frankly it never paid off either for I understood just fine. What gave the series its acclaim was its uniqueness to shaping Shepard (including conversations with our crew) the way we did everything else was pretty standard fare for the time. Here I have to disagree because ME1 was allready critically acclaimed before the sequels were released. I allready pointed out how this was incredible feat considering it was a game set in a new universe and was made in an engine the devs were unfamilar with. If you don't think ME1 had any merit in of itself you must probably question the judgements of those critics and fans who consistently gave ME1 favourable ratings, often in no small part due to the game's story elements.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 13, 2017 11:23:52 GMT
I disagree, BioWare was behind the times when it came to both combat and vehicles in Mass Effect 1, the inputs into the game were awkward at best most of the time so the excuse of being 10 years ago doesn't matter when the controls felt like they were even older then that. I am not sure what is special about Vigil since he was an exposition dump for the Protheans very much like Tali for the Quarians and not sure what Sovereign did to give the series its acclaim for he basically said "you don't understand" a lot and frankly it never paid off either for I understood just fine. What gave the series its acclaim was its uniqueness to shaping Shepard (including conversations with our crew) the way we did everything else was pretty standard fare for the time. Here I have to disagree because ME1 was allready critically acclaimed before the sequels were released. I allready pointed out how this was incredible feat considering it was a game set in a new universe and was made in an engine the devs were unfamilar with. If you don't think ME1 had any merit in of itself you must probably question the judgements of those critics and fans who consistently gave ME1 favourable ratings, often in no small part due to the game's story elements. I don't see how the critical acclaim of the way you can shape Shepard required the sequels? Just in the game alone with the Paragon/Renegade system you shaped how NPCs reacted to you or how you could choose a different path in the game. If anything Mass Effect 2 ruined that illusion a little with how little choices carried forward for some people. I never said it had didn't have merit, I was pointing out that just saying that expecting more out of Andromeda because it is 10 years later doesn't mean that Mass Effect 1 was being state of the art either for it wasn't taking advantage of what was modern gaming 10 years ago either.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 12:56:28 GMT
Its funny. Wrex was my favorite Character in Mass Effect 1 and because of Virmire it disappointed me that was the only time he was really in my squad aside from his appearance in The Citadel DLC. Now with Mass Effect: Andromeda Drack is my favorite and I just hope if there is a direct sequel or with some ties to Andromeda he continues in the game. Drack is also one of the few really well written characters in my opinion. Maybe the only one, come to think of it. He's got a real story arc of when he reveals what about himself. You really have to earn his trust to get to the bottom of his life story. I never got the same feeling with any of the other characters.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 13, 2017 14:55:28 GMT
The creepy way femshep walks up to Kaidan in ME1 is enough to put you off talking to him. It isn't just femshep....
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 13, 2017 15:05:41 GMT
I think people sell ME1 Kaidan a little short. While he is kind of bland personality wise (though I think Ashley is also), his L2 problems and his story about killing the guy to protect his friend were more than we got from most characters in the game. I mean, if you think about it, it's pretty crazy to have accidentally killed someone as a teenager and be as stable as this guy seemingly was. Kaidan was certainly above the Quarian information kiosk VI that was installed in the engineering room, but the telling of his backstory didn't really take away from the distinct lack of enthusiasm I got out of his character. I felt like I was just supposed to feel sorry for his biotic headaches or something. Garrus isn't that much better, but at least has a companion mission where his cop-on-the-edge persona can peer through a little bit. I'm replaying the trilogy and I agree with you on Kaiden. I never considered him a love interest, but I chose him over Ashley once (in Virmire) and I regretted it. I liked his character even less in ME3 because of his dialogue about our friendship. I was like, "Dude... you were with me since Eden Prime and you're bit**in' out now because Liara and Cerberus brought me back? Really?" At least with Ashley, we banged. I'll give her the next morning awkward glance and put up with hers because that's how things go. By the way, my current and last run in LIs are: Liara, Liara (through DLC) and Tali and then Ashley since she's really available. Jack and Kelly are too young to be spoiled by the likes of my Shepard, Paragon or not.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 15:11:21 GMT
I'm replaying the trilogy and I agree with you on Kaiden. I never considered him a love interest, but I chose him over Ashley once (in Virmire) and I regretted it. I liked his character even less in ME3 because of his dialogue about our friendship. I was like, "Dude... you were with me since Eden Prime and you're bit**in' out now because Liara and Cerberus brought me back? Really?" At least with Ashley, we banged. I'll give her the next morning awkward glance and put up with hers because that's how things go. By the way, my current and last run in LIs are: Liara, Liara (through DLC) and Tali and then Ashley since she's really available. Jack and Kelly are too young to be spoiled by the likes of my Shepard, Paragon or not. I used the gibbed save editors to try both options. In the case of Kaidan just to rub it into his face that I had Thane or Garrus while he was away.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 15:20:34 GMT
I always notice that whenever a new patch comes out, and things get hyped, Kotaku steps in again with another "horror" story to upset fans. Not to mention why is it only Kotaku that always has this news? Can't wait for the next big MEA thing and the next Kotaku article that pops up right after it lol Unlike outlets like IGN and Gamespot, Kotaku does a lot of investigative journalism. It is their niche. Remember, it was Kotaku that reported a lot on GamerGate and a whole slew of other issues that no other outlet wanted to take on. Besides, why does it matter to you what Kotaku says about MEA and Bioware? If you enjoy the game, then thats all that matters. Of course! But they need to work on their timing if they ever want me to take them seriously. All I see is a guy trying to make sure MEA sinks. Until he proves me wrong, that's the impression I get. I believe the logic of the articles, but I prefer honesty without the added feeling of intent to stir shit.
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Post by bshep on Jun 13, 2017 15:26:31 GMT
Unlike outlets like IGN and Gamespot, Kotaku does a lot of investigative journalism. It is their niche. Remember, it was Kotaku that reported a lot on GamerGate and a whole slew of other issues that no other outlet wanted to take on. Besides, why does it matter to you what Kotaku says about MEA and Bioware? If you enjoy the game, then thats all that matters. Of course! But they need to work on their timing if they ever want me to take them seriously. All I see is a guy trying to make sure MEA sinks. Until he proves me wrong, that's the impression I get. I believe the logic of the articles, but the hint to cause harm seems to be there too. I prefer honesty without the added feeling of intent to stir shit. Talking shit always brings more clicks. And it's easy to just slap some "hidden source" and call a piece of click bait "investigative journalism" on the internet.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 15:27:43 GMT
Of course! But they need to work on their timing if they ever want me to take them seriously. All I see is a guy trying to make sure MEA sinks. Until he proves me wrong, that's the impression I get. I believe the logic of the articles, but I prefer honesty without the added feeling of intent to stir shit. So take it or leave it. They guy tells a comprehensive story. I'm saying that as a journalist. I don't see any agenda, only a report on what went wrong. There's certainly no agenda involved with any journalist unless some Bioware employee came over to kick their puppy on the lawn. Mind you, I'm talking about journalists, not some random youtubers having a field day to post memes in order for some direly needed ad clicks.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 13, 2017 15:28:08 GMT
The creepy way femshep walks up to Kaidan in ME1 is enough to put you off talking to him. It isn't just femshep.... I concur.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 15:31:06 GMT
Talking shit always brings more clicks. And it's easy to just slap some "hidden source" and call a piece of click bait "investigative journalism" on the internet. Very simple question here. If you are working for a company, would you go public and being named when spilling the beans? Journalism is based on quoting and being protected in using anonymous sources. Otherwise you wouldn't get any story.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 13, 2017 15:35:06 GMT
Unlike outlets like IGN and Gamespot, Kotaku does a lot of investigative journalism. It is their niche. Remember, it was Kotaku that reported a lot on GamerGate and a whole slew of other issues that no other outlet wanted to take on. Besides, why does it matter to you what Kotaku says about MEA and Bioware? If you enjoy the game, then thats all that matters. Of course! But they need to work on their timing if they ever want me to take them seriously. All I see is a guy trying to make sure MEA sinks. Until he proves me wrong, that's the impression I get. I believe the logic of the articles, but I prefer honesty without the added feeling of intent to stir shit. Hmmm, Kotaku's job is not to impress you or I but to reveal information. As to the timing, well that may or may not be coincidental. Again, what I am seeing from not just you but many others here is a reaction to the articles based on emotion. In an alternative universe where MEA recieved high praise and has a 95% average review score and broke all kinds of launch records.....if Kotaku kept publishing a series of positive articles about how MEA is the best thing since sliced bread and hyping up their upcoming DLC and saying that they have inside information telling them that the upcoming MEA DLC would eclipse that of Trespasser and Citadel in terms of story quality. I am willing to bet you the same people dismissing Kotaku now would be the same people pointing towards Kotaku as soft proof regarding the potential of getting mind blowing MEA DLCs. Its all variable emotion. Same thing with politics. Republicans are taking a lukewarm approach to Trump but if Hillary was elected and under similar Russian investigations, those same Republicans saying that it is too early to talk about Trump impeachment will be the same people who would be calling for the immediate impeachment of Hillary Clinton. Kotaku is the bad guy now cause it is seemingly going against MEA. However if the tables were turned and Kotaku was defending Bioware and MEA and pointing to inside evidence and unnamed sources that MEA DLC is indeed on the way, my judgment tells me Kotaku would be taken by their word.
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Post by bshep on Jun 13, 2017 15:37:12 GMT
Talking shit always brings more clicks. And it's easy to just slap some "hidden source" and call a piece of click bait "investigative journalism" on the internet. Very simple question here. If you are working for a company, would you go public and being named when spilling the beans? Journalism is based on quoting and being protected in using anonymous sources. Otherwise you wouldn't get any story. So why should i believe that is true and not just a fancy story created by the article writter when he can't come up with any kind of proof that what he is saying is the truth. You Don't need to reveal your sources but bring evidence that what they are saying is real, that is true journalism. Anything else is just either slander or a clickbait.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 15:37:41 GMT
Of course! But they need to work on their timing if they ever want me to take them seriously. All I see is a guy trying to make sure MEA sinks. Until he proves me wrong, that's the impression I get. I believe the logic of the articles, but the hint to cause harm seems to be there too. I prefer honesty without the added feeling of intent to stir shit. Talking shit always brings more clicks. And it's easy to just slap some "hidden source" and call a piece of click bait "investigative journalism" on the internet. Exactly! I strongly believe some of the stuff because it makes sense how they game turned out, but with all the patches and focus on the fans needs, this game turned out amazingly well, and they won't be stopping anytime soon, but they also can't just focus on one game like so many expect. Anthem, while done by other teams is still BW and now EA wants them to create hype and get people wanting to pre-order it, so that's what they have to focus on now since they are bringing out games back-to-back. MEA is not abandoned or put on ice, it's just not the main focus now because marketing says it's time to move the focus elsewhere. When the DLC comes out, then the focus will return, then once MEA is done for good, it will be all about Anthem. It's pointless to use logic with certain people, so I won't even reply to those who want MEA to fail anymore, or who support that crap article stuff because they have shown in many previous posts just how much they want ME gone. I just see the username and "Oh them again?" lol
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 15:40:45 GMT
So why should i believe that is true and not just a fancy story created by the article writter when he can't come up with any kind of proof that what he is saying is the truth. You Don't need to reveal your sources but bring evidence that what they are saying is real, that is true journalism. Anything else is just either slander or a clickbait. Because you obviously don't know the press laws. Slandering is an offense and not protected by the freedom of the press. So if this article was untrue, not only would they have released their PR department all guns blazing. There would also be a law suit by now.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jun 13, 2017 15:43:53 GMT
Of course! But they need to work on their timing if they ever want me to take them seriously. All I see is a guy trying to make sure MEA sinks. Until he proves me wrong, that's the impression I get. I believe the logic of the articles, but the hint to cause harm seems to be there too. I prefer honesty without the added feeling of intent to stir shit. Talking shit always brings more clicks. And it's easy to just slap some "hidden source" and call a piece of click bait "investigative journalism" on the internet. The opposite is also true. And sources don't even always impress people, lest we forget "FAKE NEWS."
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 13, 2017 15:46:39 GMT
Talking shit always brings more clicks. And it's easy to just slap some "hidden source" and call a piece of click bait "investigative journalism" on the internet. MEA is not abandoned or put on ice, it's just not the main focus now because marketing says it's time to move the focus elsewhere. When the DLC comes out, then the focus will return, then one MEA is done for good, it will be all about Anthem. It's pointless and I won't even reply to those who want MEA to fail anymore, or who support that crap article stuff because they have shown in many previous posts just how much they want ME gone. I just see the username and "Oh them again?" lol That makes absolutely no sense. MEA is not even 4 months old and it is not the main focus? This is Mass Effect we are talking about, not some no name IP. Anthem most likely will come out late 2018 with DA4 coming out in late 2019. The rest of the year should still belong to MEA in some way if this game was truely a financial success. A $$$ focused company like EA just does not stop pumping out content for products thag sell well. If MEA really is a financial success, EA would not just simply say MEA isnt a focus. No, they will ride the success of MEA all the way to the bank and milk it with DLCs and make it pubically known early on that MEA has a strong life after launch. What you suggest just is not within the character of EA.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 13, 2017 15:48:24 GMT
So why should i believe that is true and not just a fancy story created by the article writter when he can't come up with any kind of proof that what he is saying is the truth. You Don't need to reveal your sources but bring evidence that what they are saying is real, that is true journalism. Anything else is just either slander or a clickbait. Because you obviously don't know the press laws. Slandering is an offense and not protected by the freedom of the press. So if this article was untrue, not only would they have released their PR department all guns blazing. There would also be a law suit by now. abaris, just stop! You are bringing logic into a debate that is surrounded by emotion and denial. Just stop or I will report you to the mods! /s
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Post by bshep on Jun 13, 2017 15:48:50 GMT
So why should i believe that is true and not just a fancy story created by the article writter when he can't come up with any kind of proof that what he is saying is the truth. You Don't need to reveal your sources but bring evidence that what they are saying is real, that is true journalism. Anything else is just either slander or a clickbait. Because you obviously don't know the press laws. Slandering is an offense and not protected by the freedom of the press. So if this article was untrue, not only would they have released their PR department all guns blazing. There would also be a law suit by now. Because Bioware always had a habit of answering every single bad thing it's written about then...Or wait they don't! Maybe because that would generate even more clickbaits.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 15:50:41 GMT
Because Bioware always had a habit of answering every single bad thing it's written about then...Or wait they don't! Maybe because that would generate even more clickbaits. Yeah, sure. I give up on trying to insert a professional view into makebelief.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 13, 2017 15:52:43 GMT
Very simple question here. If you are working for a company, would you go public and being named when spilling the beans? Journalism is based on quoting and being protected in using anonymous sources. Otherwise you wouldn't get any story. So why should i believe that is true and not just a fancy story created by the article writter when he can't come up with any kind of proof that what he is saying is the truth. You Don't need to reveal your sources but bring evidence that what they are saying is real, that is true journalism. Anything else is just either slander or a clickbait. Well, not really commenting on this particular article but more generally. One major reason for serious career journalists not to just make stuff up and then cite "anonymous sources" is that their reputation is on the line as well. If later they are indeed proven wrong, it's a hit on their reputation as well. So while sure, there are journalists who do make stuff up and lie, just because sources are anonymous doesn't automatically make everything a lie. That's generally speaking (and especially when looking at articles by rather well known journalists in the press). I don't know/never heard of the person who wrote that Kotaku article about ME:A's development, so no clues there. However, I do believe the article because it fits perfectly with everything that we have heard about BW and ME:A over the years of its development and it also fits with the strengths and weaknesses of the game they finally shipped. So either the author did a pretty good job of fitting a lie to all those indications and made up some source on top or they really do have sources. The latter seems more likely because if the former was the case, why not just write a more speculative article about the same thing? You could basically write the exact same article with the same "clickbait" headline but without the danger of being exposed as a liar later. As for evidence, what kind of evidence to you expect, other than what we've got? All the personal changes we've seen mesh with this, so do the contradictory statements (like the stuff about 100s of planet,etc.) and the game itself does too? If they can hardly get people to comment, let alone to name their own names, how do you expect them to get their hands on actual "hard evidence"?
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Post by bshep on Jun 13, 2017 15:54:33 GMT
Because Bioware always had a habit of answering every single bad thing it's written about then...Or wait they don't! Maybe because that would generate even more clickbaits. Yeah, sure. I give up on trying to insert a professional view into makebelief. So questioning the lack of sources on said article is now makebelief?
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 16:04:32 GMT
So questioning the lack of sources on said article is now makebelief? Yes, it is. Since it's not the lack of sources but the lack of named sources. Every intern working in journalism would know the difference and why there are numerous laws protecting sources from being named. That's makebelief as opposed to knowing how things are done when it comes to company or political secrets.
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Post by vonuber on Jun 13, 2017 16:05:30 GMT
It isn't just femshep.... I concur. I wouldn't know to be honest, never played as a man in ME. ME to me has always been female protag.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 13, 2017 16:06:53 GMT
I wouldn't know to be honest, never played as a man in ME. ME to me has always been female protag. femshep for the win
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