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Post by blanks on Jul 14, 2017 21:54:02 GMT
This game feels so far off that I am not interested yet. That said, what worries me about this game is that the key features are not the type of things I look for in BioWare games.
World exploration? Hasn't really been good in a BioWare game since BG2. DA:I came close in certain zones, but overall the experience fell off. Assets get recycled, the areas don't have interesting content to find, enemies respawn as soon as you step 10 feet over, the in game map is kind of shit so you're not sequence of connected pipes you'll have to take to get to that objective that's just an inch away.
Satisfying combat, I know people love ME:A's combat but for me it was way too sponge-y at launch. I feel this way about most recent BioWare games, trash mobs take too much health to make encounters feel fun and boss encounters just feel like I'm nursing cool downs and managing health/positioning while some insufferable health pool gets chipped away at.
The loot aspect... BioWare games, their item design is not my favorite. This kind of ties into the weapons usually not feeling punchy enough and the combat encounters with trash enemies dragging on 10-15 seconds longer than they need to.
Acquiring loot, fighting enemies, exploring the world. These are the core gameplay features they are selling Anthem on and these are all, consistently, my least favorite parts of BioWare games. Again, this is 100% a taste thing and I am sure there are posters here who love these things in BioWare games. For me, I look at those things and I think 'na, I'm good with some other game.'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 7:43:46 GMT
Pretty much this. Several Anthem websites, twitter feeds, podcasts and so on have sprung up, and even they are struggling to continue to discuss the same short trailer and 3 screenshots. To be fair, this is BSN. A short trailer and three screenshots is more than enough to carry on about javelin gender identity options for the better part of a year. I nearly pissed my pants.
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Post by eamon696 on Jul 24, 2017 19:57:43 GMT
Im just largely indifferent. Usually Bioware teasers of new games get me rev'ed up and excited. But I just don't have any strong feelings about Anthem, other than disappointment. It looks remarkable and I'm sure it will have fun gameplay elements. But I'm not a fan of the setting or the premise of the narrative, and I am quite disappointed with the focus on social gaming. That's not why anyone plays Bioware titles, so I'm just puzzled why they would focus on that area for their next big thing.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Jul 24, 2017 23:42:11 GMT
Need to see more to really care.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 25, 2017 1:00:38 GMT
Im just largely indifferent. Usually Bioware teasers of new games get me rev'ed up and excited. But I just don't have any strong feelings about Anthem, other than disappointment. It looks remarkable and I'm sure it will have fun gameplay elements. But I'm not a fan of the setting or the premise of the narrative, and I am quite disappointed with the focus on social gaming. That's not why anyone plays Bioware titles, so I'm just puzzled why they would focus on that area for their next big thing. I'd say they're just wanting to try something different(they're 20 years old at this point, I imagine it gets boring only making specific games). People may love them for what they do, but they're not obligated to only make specific RPGs that they're known for.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 25, 2017 16:44:18 GMT
We could make a poll about that... My poll expired a while back during the reveal. It was just a way to gauge the forums interests because this would likely be my place to recruit friend to play over Discord. My pen and paper group is mostly anti-EA and by default, BioWare. A session doesn't go by with someone saying BioWare is EAware. Five years ago, this was unheard of.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 25, 2017 22:12:53 GMT
Honestly the more I hear about Anthem the more I think that no one at EA/BioWare knows about what the fuck it's supposed to be.
First EA/BioWare say: It's a basically 4 Player co-op MMO FPS with no SP.
Then they say: No, it's action-RPG with a SP mode and maybe you can switch between first person mode to third person mode.
Then they say: It's a game for you and your friends like Destiny 2, Titanfall 2, Star Wars: Battlefront 2, and Overwatch just with a better SP mode and that you can beat the game in SP mode and you don't have play in MP mode.
To be blunt: I was extremely underwhelmed with by the E3 trailers, they were bland and generic looking the worlds looked like the same ones I played in DA:I and ME:A and all the U4K super photo-realistic graphics don't impress me anymore since every damn AAA game trailer has them it's kind of hard for me to give a shit about how cool a publisher thinks that their game looks. When a game like Life is Strange: Before the Storm that doesn't have those U4K super photo-realistic graphics really impressed the hell out of me with it's characters that should tell you something.
Those mech suits looked like rejected concepts from the ending to Iron Man 3 and all of the above mentioned backpedaling and downright pandering isn't make me want to play this game not just because it looks generic and bland, but it feels like a game that no one at EA and BioWare knows what the fuck it is supposed to be.
Also I personally HATE first person perspective and starting the second E3 trailer in that stupid perspective was a major turn-off to me, but that is a personal thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 12:07:31 GMT
Honestly the more I hear about Anthem the more I think that no one at EA/BioWare knows about what the fuck it's supposed to be. First EA/BioWare say: It's a basically 4 Player co-op MMO FPS with no SP. Then they say: No, it's action-RPG with a SP mode and maybe you can switch between first person mode to third person mode. Then they say: It's a game for you and your friends like Destiny 2, Titanfall 2, Star Wars: Battlefront 2, and Overwatch just with a better SP mode and that you can beat the game in SP mode and you don't have play in MP mode. Wait, they said we can "maybe switch between 1st and 3rd person" - it would be great, I can't play 1st person games - ? because I'm pretty sure I read the contrary on the Twitter thread so time ago.... did I miss something ?
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Post by naughtynomad on Jul 28, 2017 2:51:11 GMT
This will be the first BioWare game I will not be purchasing in 20 years. Multiplayer just is not something interesting to me. I am an adult with a family and career. I play video games in my free-time as a hobby, so my play time is sporadic. Some weekends I play upwards of 7 hours a day, but most days I might get 1-2 hours in. I simply don't have time to meet friends online, schedule when we both can play together, and gear grind.
One good thing about Anthem is that it will take all the multiplayer developer's attention away from the RPG games. Let them spend their development time on making good stories.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 12:58:34 GMT
I was under the impression it was FP in convos, and 3rd person when doing stuff. If it's always FP, I am out. It's just too much to handle.
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Post by aznricepuff on Jul 28, 2017 15:00:31 GMT
I was under the impression it was FP in convos, and 3rd person when doing stuff. If it's always FP, I am out. It's just too much to handle. I believe what the devs said was that it was 3rd person in the open world, combat, etc. and first person inside the hubs. I took that to mean that it's always FP inside hub areas, whether or not you are in a conversation. I don't believe the devs said anything about there being a global FP/TP toggle (or even that they're looking to implement one), unless I missed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 15:05:54 GMT
I was under the impression it was FP in convos, and 3rd person when doing stuff. If it's always FP, I am out. It's just too much to handle. I believe what the devs said was that it was 3rd person in the open world, combat, etc. and first person inside the hubs. I took that to mean that it's always FP inside hub areas, whether or not you are in a conversation. I don't believe the devs said anything about there being a global FP/TP toggle (or even that they're looking to implement one), unless I missed it. Well, as long as FP is non-combat, I am okay. Unless it's motion sickness inducing in convos.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 6, 2017 14:36:03 GMT
I believe what the devs said was that it was 3rd person in the open world, combat, etc. and first person inside the hubs. I took that to mean that it's always FP inside hub areas, whether or not you are in a conversation. I don't believe the devs said anything about there being a global FP/TP toggle (or even that they're looking to implement one), unless I missed it. Well, as long as FP is non-combat, I am okay. Unless it's motion sickness inducing in convos. That is one of the things that I like about Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, and Fallout 4 is that I switch between the third and first perspectives for any reason and at any time and for as long as I want.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 16:08:46 GMT
Well, as long as FP is non-combat, I am okay. Unless it's motion sickness inducing in convos. That is one of the things that I like about Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, and Fallout 4 is that I switch between the third and first perspectives for any reason and at any time and for as long as I want. as long as BioWare works on non-motion sickness interface and/or puts all those offending settings in the game settings where you can easily disable them, & allows TP fighting, I am happy. I am okay with not seeing my avatar during the conversations, except when there is some deep emotional stuff going on (or never, though never is harder to swallow).
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Post by grallon on Aug 8, 2017 3:19:15 GMT
Bioware used to be into story driven RPGs - and now they're into 'shared world shooters', at EA's instigation no doubt.
In short: no f*king interest whatsoever.
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Post by Nyx on Aug 8, 2017 4:38:02 GMT
Bioware used to be into story driven RPGs - and now they're into 'shared world shooters', at EA's instigation no doubt. In short: no f*king interest whatsoever. Same. This game looks so generic and boring it hurts me.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 8, 2017 14:12:23 GMT
Bioware used to be into story driven RPGs - and now they're into 'shared world shooters', at EA's instigation no doubt. In short: no f*king interest whatsoever. Where does this conclusion come from? So Anthem does go this route, there's still the other franchises that aren't co-op driven. It's like everyone is out to blame Anthem for ruining everything else 😑
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Post by grallon on Aug 8, 2017 15:14:32 GMT
Where does this conclusion come from? So Anthem does go this route, there's still the other franchises that aren't co-op driven. It's like everyone is out to blame Anthem for ruining everything else 😑 The OP's question was if we are interested or not in this game. I'm not - it's simple. It's not a question of blaming - maybe Anthem will be great for what it is - my point is it's not a Bioware staple. Besides, after fucking up the ME franchise with the ending of 3 and that abortion that is Andromeda - my faith in EAWare is threadbare.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 8, 2017 15:38:15 GMT
Where does this conclusion come from? So Anthem does go this route, there's still the other franchises that aren't co-op driven. It's like everyone is out to blame Anthem for ruining everything else 😑 The OP's question was if we are interested or not in this game. I'm not - it's simple. It's not a question of blaming - maybe Anthem will be great for what it is - my point is it's not a Bioware staple. Besides, after fucking up the ME franchise with the ending of 3 and that abortion that is Andromeda - my faith in EAWare is threadbare. My reply was aimed at you claiming bioware is no longer interested in RPGS and more so with shared world shooters when they're only doing one so far. There's still the ME and DA franchises that are closer to RPGs than shared world shooters, they're watered down RPGs to me, but still RPGs nonetheless. I think it makes more sense to say bioware is more focused on "action" over anything else. i will say I personally have no problem with Bioware exploring another genre, they're not obligated to only make RPGs that they're known for (and to me they lost that when ME2 and DA2 were a thing) plus I imagine it gets tiring doing the same thing for a decade plus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 16:41:14 GMT
The OP's question was if we are interested or not in this game. I'm not - it's simple. It's not a question of blaming - maybe Anthem will be great for what it is - my point is it's not a Bioware staple. Besides, after fucking up the ME franchise with the ending of 3 and that abortion that is Andromeda - my faith in EAWare is threadbare. My reply was aimed at you claiming bioware is no longer interested in RPGS and more so with shared world shooters when they're only doing one so far. There's still the ME and DA franchises that are closer to RPGs than shared world shooters, they're watered down RPGs to me, but still RPGs nonetheless. I think it makes more sense to say bioware is more focused on "action" over anything else. i will say I personally have no problem with Bioware exploring another genre, they're not obligated to only make RPGs that they're known for (and to me they lost that when ME2 and DA2 were a thing) plus I imagine it gets tiring doing the same thing for a decade plus. This. Plus, for me personally, the most successful games Bio made were the hybrids, JE, SWTOR, DA2 and all of ME (including Andromeda).
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Post by Iakus on Aug 12, 2017 1:06:17 GMT
The OP's question was if we are interested or not in this game. I'm not - it's simple. It's not a question of blaming - maybe Anthem will be great for what it is - my point is it's not a Bioware staple. Besides, after fucking up the ME franchise with the ending of 3 and that abortion that is Andromeda - my faith in EAWare is threadbare. My reply was aimed at you claiming bioware is no longer interested in RPGS and more so with shared world shooters when they're only doing one so far. There's still the ME and DA franchises that are closer to RPGs than shared world shooters, they're watered down RPGs to me, but still RPGs nonetheless. I think it makes more sense to say bioware is more focused on "action" over anything else. i will say I personally have no problem with Bioware exploring another genre, they're not obligated to only make RPGs that they're known for (and to me they lost that when ME2 and DA2 were a thing) plus I imagine it gets tiring doing the same thing for a decade plus. They've been watering down their RPGs for years, and now their Next Big Thing isn't even an rpg at all. Do we not see the trend here?
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 12, 2017 1:16:07 GMT
My reply was aimed at you claiming bioware is no longer interested in RPGS and more so with shared world shooters when they're only doing one so far. There's still the ME and DA franchises that are closer to RPGs than shared world shooters, they're watered down RPGs to me, but still RPGs nonetheless. I think it makes more sense to say bioware is more focused on "action" over anything else. i will say I personally have no problem with Bioware exploring another genre, they're not obligated to only make RPGs that they're known for (and to me they lost that when ME2 and DA2 were a thing) plus I imagine it gets tiring doing the same thing for a decade plus. They've been watering down their RPGs for years, and now their Next Big Thing isn't even an rpg at all. Do we not see the trend here? Oh I'm aware of them watering down RPGs and going more action focused. I've more less accepted RPGs won't be made the same and that bioware no longer does classic RPGs like they used to though.
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Post by JokeDealer on Aug 12, 2017 23:20:21 GMT
They've been watering down their RPGs for years, and now their Next Big Thing isn't even an rpg at all. Do we not see the trend here? This keeps bothering me. Why do people saying that Anthem isn't an RPG at all? What are you all basing that on? Anthem is supposed to be a Shared-World Action-RPG. In fact, that's what the devs have been calling it. If it's an issue of Bioware not showing enough evidence of RPG elements in Anthem, then I would say we should wait until we see more before we definitively declare that it's not an RPG. On the other hand, if you're basing this on the progressive watering down you mentioned, that does not guarantee that Anthem won't be an RPG either. Regardless, both arguments are based in logical fallacies (No True Scotsman, Texas Sharpshooter, Slippery Slope). I'm not saying that they're inherently wrong because of it, but I've seen several people claiming that Anthem isn't an RPG based solely on opinion, instead of fact.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 13, 2017 0:10:19 GMT
This keeps bothering me. Why do people saying that Anthem isn't an RPG at all? What are you all basing that on? Anthem is supposed to be a Shared-World Action-RPG. In fact, that's what the devs have been calling it. If it's an issue of Bioware not showing enough evidence of RPG elements in Anthem, then I would say we should wait until we see more before we definitively declare that it's not an RPG. On the other hand, if you're basing this on the progressive watering down you mentioned, that does not guarantee that Anthem won't be an RPG either. Regardless, both arguments are based in logical fallacies (No True Scotsman, Texas Sharpshooter, Slippery Slope). I'm not saying that they're inherently wrong because of it, but I've seen several people claiming that Anthem isn't an RPG based solely on opinion, instead of fact. They are basing it off nothing other than pure speculation, like most threads in BSN. Ever since the Anthem demo was shown at E3, many on here immediately assumed Anthem was a "Destiny clone MMO looter shooter." Of course, all of that is completely preposterous, as we simply don't know enough about the game to make any judgments. But, that's the internet for you. What we know from BioWare is that Anthem is supposed to be a service-based online action RPG. BioWare has never claimed Anthem is an MMO. They've never claimed Anthem is not an RPG. They certainly never claimed Anthem will not have a story or companions. These are all assumptions many have created out of thin air with zero factual basis. As far as the "progressive watering down" argument. That has literally been used against every AAA RPG developer in the industry. The truth of the matter is, when these games become huge and have a growing audience, the game is built to accommodate as many people as possible. That doesn't make it less of an RPG, as the very core elements of the RPG are still intact. Developers like to call it "streamlining," but cynics and pessimists claim it's destroying the RPG genre. Once BioWare unveils more about what Anthem actually is, a lot of these naysayers and doomsday theorists will fade into obscurity after their arguments have fallen to pieces.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 13, 2017 2:38:58 GMT
This keeps bothering me. Why do people saying that Anthem isn't an RPG at all? What are you all basing that on? Anthem is supposed to be a Shared-World Action-RPG. In fact, that's what the devs have been calling it. If it's an issue of Bioware not showing enough evidence of RPG elements in Anthem, then I would say we should wait until we see more before we definitively declare that it's not an RPG. On the other hand, if you're basing this on the progressive watering down you mentioned, that does not guarantee that Anthem won't be an RPG either. Regardless, both arguments are based in logical fallacies (No True Scotsman, Texas Sharpshooter, Slippery Slope). I'm not saying that they're inherently wrong because of it, but I've seen several people claiming that Anthem isn't an RPG based solely on opinion, instead of fact. They are basing it off nothing other than pure speculation, .... It pretty much looks like a MMO open-world shooter. Apart from the bit of NPC convo there was nothing RPG like shown. So there is that.
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