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Post by Sanunes on Jun 14, 2017 8:14:22 GMT
Another soft reboot though? I'm a strong believer that they should just pick a canon ending. It's not like this hasn't happened. The best ME2 ending isn't canon either and nobody seemed to flip out about that. I think they should be able to railroad the endings. Destroy -> The Reapers are gone and the Milky Way civilizations work together to rebuild the Citadel and the relays. Control -> The Reapers rebuild the Citadel and relays, then Shepard steers them all into a sun. Synthesis -> The Reapers are in dark space believing their work to be complete. Since synthesis can't be forced, all bodies reject the transformation after some time and everyone becomes normal. Refusal -> No import. The end. For me at least even if they do that I still don't want to play Shepard, for Shepard has a lot of baggage that people would want to see included and that hurt Mass Effect 3 a lot for me. To me Shepard is nothing without their prior crew and now they can all die at some point in the first three games. Shepard would be a lot less of an interesting character without at least some of those characters returning, but the same time watering down characters so they could fit the narrative of their possible death hurt a lot of character returns in Mass Effect 3 again for me at least.
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Post by bizantura on Jun 14, 2017 8:23:24 GMT
I think we get all the reboots we want when making an RPG is not stepping into a social horns nest, which it is today. When the dust settles and the (new, whatever they may be) rules of engagement are more or less fixed and not in flux like today, maybe one can make an RPG again without stepping on someone's toes and profusely has to apologize + spend money to fix that problem pronto + getting flac anyway afterwards by some other group feeling left out etc.....
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Jun 14, 2017 8:26:20 GMT
I think they should be able to railroad the endings. Destroy -> The Reapers are gone and the Milky Way civilizations work together to rebuild the Citadel and the relays. Control -> The Reapers rebuild the Citadel and relays, then Shepard steers them all into a sun. Synthesis -> The Reapers are in dark space believing their work to be complete. Since synthesis can't be forced, all bodies reject the transformation after some time and everyone becomes normal. Refusal -> No import. The end. For me at least even if they do that I still don't want to play Shepard, for Shepard has a lot of baggage that people would want to see included and that hurt Mass Effect 3 a lot for me. To me Shepard is nothing without their prior crew and now they can all die at some point in the first three games. Shepard would be a lot less of an interesting character without at least some of those characters returning, but the same time watering down characters so they could fit the narrative of their possible death hurt a lot of character returns in Mass Effect 3 again for me at least. Main reason I didn't like the Arrival dlc.
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Post by guanxi on Jun 14, 2017 8:41:42 GMT
It does need rebooting but this would be equally possible in Andromeda 600 years later. The problem with (Helios) Andromeda is that it has no history, no politics, nothing worth visiting or exploring. 600 years from now all of the old species will have arrived and colonised new homeworlds, re-established the council, and rebuilt mass relays throughout Andromeda and encountered much more of the unknown Andromedean species. There'd be no need to recycle the Reapers as millions of years without them could lead to graver threats in Andromeda.
No need for shepard because we already have the first human spectre lined up, you. The Nexus will have been developed into a new Citadel, they could even call the new Ship the Normandy SR3. Recycling ideas and themes is just as possible, but it's just as possible to elevate the series beyond recycling the old trilogy. There's much more potential to soft-reboot the series in Andromeda with an original story and crew that are worthy of the original source material in the right hands.
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Post by clips7 on Jun 14, 2017 8:53:50 GMT
Shepard's story has been told....Andromeda's issues are not with it's animation, CC, or certain game glitches, all of which are cosmetic problems and have been/are being addressed with patches. Andromeda's issues lie soley with it's story and character development.
Even with ME2 & 3 flaws, they still successfully tell an invigorating and interesting story with interesting characters that implements a sense of urgency and dread fighting against impossible odds....I understand it was a tall order for Andromeda to go up against the Reaper storyline, but the story told in Andromeda felt very watered-down and safe. The go-happy dialogue from certain squad members didn't help it much either.
I never felt a sense of dread or urgency so i wasn't involved with the story or characters as much,.....if the narrative took this entire journey light-heartedly or as a joke, why should i care about it? The franchise doesn't need a reboot, i think the series is aging well (some might say ME1 isn't aging well)...but i think because of how you can still enjoy both ME2 & 3 and both still hold up very well visually, i don't think we need to reboot the series.
Just work on making a better story and characters for Andromeda 2 AND have the folks that worked on the original trilogy, (the folks working on Anthem...which in that early gameplay trailer...looks amazing) work on Andromeda 2 and maybe we can get a traditional ME game.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 14, 2017 8:56:29 GMT
Shepard's story has been told....Andromeda's issues are not with it's animation, CC, or certain game glitches, all of which are cosmetic problems and have been/are being addressed with patches. Andromeda's issues lie soley with it's story and character development. Even with ME2 & 3 flaws, they still successfully tell an invigorating and interesting story with interesting characters that implements a sense of urgency and dread fighting against impossible odds....I understand it was a tall order for Andromeda to go up against the Reaper storyline, but the story told in Andromeda felt very watered-down and safe. The go-happy dialogue from certain squad members didn't help it much either. I never felt a sense of dread or urgency so i wasn't involved with the story or characters as much,.....if the narrative took this entire journey light-heartedly or as a joke, why should i care about it? The franchise doesn't need a reboot, i think the series is aging well (some might say ME1 isn't aging well)...but i think because of how you can still enjoy both ME2 & 3 and both still hold up very well visually, i don't think we need to reboot the series. Just work on making a better story and characters for Andromeda 2 AND have the folks that worked on the original trilogy, (the folks working on Anthem...which in that early gameplay trailer...looks amazing) work on Andromeda 2 and maybe we can get a traditional ME game. Yep, tired face didn't kill MEA, it was very average story and quite uninteresting companions.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 14, 2017 11:43:30 GMT
I wouldn't complain if they remake the trilogy. Have Samantha and Steve on the Normandy for the whole trilogy. Make Conrad a romance for femshep and Gianna a romance for maleshep. Lots of things they can do.
They might remaster the trilogy.
Of course there wasn't a trilogy. hahaha. Since ME3 is the best spot to start playing, that means they still have to make two more games. hahahaha.
Or just remake ME3. Put in all the cut content that would have been in the game if it had more time. Thessia mission happens before the coup. Javik is part of the main game.
Or choose destroy. Bring Shepard back for one more game.
EA brings in another team to work on an ME game in the Milky Way while the team that made MEA continues in Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 11:57:15 GMT
Nah... wouldn't buy it now... I'm very tired of people demanding it by trashing everything else that Bioware has done just because they actually didn't like this and that specific thing about the original trilogy. I'm all for just allowing this group of developers to move on to different things... whatever spurs their creativity.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 14, 2017 12:18:30 GMT
Even with ME2 & 3 flaws, they still successfully tell an invigorating and interesting story with interesting characters that implements a sense of urgency and dread fighting against impossible odds....I understand it was a tall order for Andromeda to go up against the Reaper storyline, but the story told in Andromeda felt very watered-down and safe. The go-happy dialogue from certain squad members didn't help it much either. I never felt a sense of dread or urgency so i wasn't involved with the story or characters as much,.....if the narrative took this entire journey light-heartedly or as a joke, why should i care about it? The franchise doesn't need a reboot, i think the series is aging well (some might say ME1 isn't aging well)...but i think because of how you can still enjoy both ME2 & 3 and both still hold up very well visually, i don't think we need to reboot the series. I agree with this. As I said before, MEA wad to light hearted and safe. Not saying MEA had to be a dark game but it should have had more dread and seclusion to it. DAI had the same problem, too safe of a story. The ME trilogy all had dread and a sense of urgency. DAO definitely had this. Even DA2 had this to an extent. This is why EA will let the ME brand rest. It had a good 3 game run and MEA just spits on the face of the original trilogy.
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Post by abaris on Jun 14, 2017 12:59:00 GMT
ME is dead, EA killed MEA for Anthem so you better enjoy it, it's probably the only sci-fi game we gonna get now from BW, expect "Anthem 2" in 2021-2023. At best we might get ME trilogy remaster in 5-10 years to cash on the old fanbase. Get real. They killed an investment of 40 million dollars and countless hours of manpower for another game that isn't even out yet. Yup, that will be the real story for sure.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Jun 14, 2017 13:00:34 GMT
I wouldn't complain if they remake the trilogy. Have Samantha and Steve on the Normandy for the whole trilogy. Make Conrad a romance for femshep and Gianna a romance for maleshep. Lots of things they can do. They might remaster the trilogy. Of course there wasn't a trilogy. hahaha. Since ME3 is the best spot to start playing, that means they still have to make two more games. hahahaha. Or just remake ME3. Put in all the cut content that would have been in the game if it had more time. Thessia mission happens before the coup. Javik is part of the main game. Or choose destroy. Bring Shepard back for one more game. EA brings in another team to work on an ME game in the Milky Way while the team that made MEA continues in Andromeda. 2018 Anthem. 2019 DA4. 2020 MEA2. 2021/22 ME4 I would love to see ME3 in its original vision.
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Post by kumazan on Jun 14, 2017 13:05:52 GMT
ME:A is the franchise reboot. If BioWare decides not to follow from there, it's over for Mass Effect.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 14, 2017 13:06:37 GMT
Does the series need a reboot? Nah, they just need better writers and a bigger budget,
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Post by commandercryptarch on Jun 14, 2017 13:27:04 GMT
Actually, this is a very very solid idea. Nice post. I don't now if I 'd be ever on board for an actua reboot.I was more on the lines of remaster the trilogy as it is even if I hated the ending,stealthily add the Initiative to the lorr by adding datapads entries,news broadcasts,posters on the Citadel,Codex entries etc,add all DLC ,put a nice N7 bow on it and sell sell sell...But I like this idea.Like, a lot. It is actually brilliant. You basically don't just kill 2 birds with 1 stone.You take down a whole damn flock.
First and foremost, the canon is not exactly changed of ruined.Stories when told by word of mouth ,always details are changed so any potential minor or major story change can just be attributed to how much the story has changed over time.Meaning your canon Shepard still did the things he or she did.Then, get to make the Andromeda Initiative a proper part of the lore, not just a shoehorned piece that doesn't make sense. Also, this would benefit the franchise by making it easier to continue and it wold benefit the Andromeda saga.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Jun 14, 2017 13:32:11 GMT
Oh and before someone tells the OP or anyome supporting this reboot idea to let it go...I think the OPs point is more about saving the ME franchise as a ehole,especially Andromeda.Not about particularly getting Shepard back.Aheoard is there for me to play forever and ever if I want to. What I am saying is the point of the OP isn't "bohoo I wantz muh Shepurd"...It is anout saving the franchise and reviving it.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Jun 14, 2017 13:49:10 GMT
Sorry for the spam .I know I could just edit my post and add new text but I am on my phone and it is acting up.
To the naysayers, think of it like this. the OT is a fantastic experience but it belongs to the previous generation and we 're already at the point where current gen is being pushed forward and before we know it the OT will be 2 console generations ago. There are younger gamers who will never even touch a PS3 or Xbox360 or bother to play older games on their PCs.Especially a game like ME1 that remains clunky to this day,even though it is an amazing game. For example, I have missed many older games that were masterpieces because I was too young when they were released and now either the mechanics,interface,controls and visuals are too outdated for me to even start trying to enjoy. I 'm trying to say that the younger generations might miss out on ME.So it would be nice if BW revitalized the series in the future or if another studio just picked it up . I wouldn't mind seeing another studio making a Mass Effect game as long as it is good.If BW doesn't feel like making ME games anymore,only bad results will come out by being forced to.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 14, 2017 13:55:22 GMT
No. Just a really hard no from me. Why would you want a re-imagining of the Original Trilogy? "Hey! It's the Mass Effect game you loved, but with changes that make it not that thing anymore!" I mean, how close do you stay to the original content and how much do you change? You would have to change quite a bit to make it a reboot and not just a remaster. So, no. I would much rather prefer a Mass Effect Andromeda sequel with the resources that apparently went into Anthem. If they must go back to the OT, make it something off to the side. Set right before Shep or during ME1 and ME2 that doesn't really involve the Reapers, but something on a smaller scale. Or something to do with the Reapers, but not involved in Shep's events. But not a reboot of the series. I'd be ok with making one of the 3 endings canon, but set far enough in the future that the only person that could still be alive is Liara, since I think it's basically canon that she lives anyway. The plot armor is strong with that one.
No reboot. MEA2 sequel.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 14, 2017 13:59:15 GMT
Sorry for the spam .I know I could just esitnmy post and add new text but I am on my phone and it is acting up. To the naysayers, think of it like this. the OT is a fantastic experience but it belongs to the previous generation and we 're already at the point where current gen is being pushed forward and before we know it the OT will be 2 console generations ago. There are younger gamers who will never even touch a PS3 or Xbox360 or bother to play older games on their PCs.Especially a game like ME1 that remains clunky to this day,even though it is an amazing game. For example, I have missed many older games that were masterpieces because I was too young when they were released and now either the mechanics,interface,controls and visuals are too outdated for me to even start trying to enjoy. I 'm trying to say that the younger generations might miss out on ME.So it would be nice if BW revitalized the series in the future or if another studio just picked it up . I wouldn't mind seeing another studio making a Mass Effect game as long as it is good.If BW doesn't feel like making ME games anymore,only vad results will come out by being forced to. If the "younger generation" needs to play the old games buy them a PC. Going back to remake those games without a really good reason will make a game just as bad if not worse then Andromeda in the public's perception. BioWare isn't Bethesda or Rockstar and people are not going accept something that could be considered a cash grab. Look at what happened with Bulletstorm when there was a new version released people were upset that they weren't getting the upgrade to the new version for free. Now that was only on the PC, but I would fully expect people to completely go bananas if EA would try that on any platform.
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Post by brandoftime on Jun 14, 2017 14:01:38 GMT
It would be kind of like 're mastering' the original Star Wars trilogy with all new actors, sets and cgi. Utterly not wanted by most fans of the original. Newer movie goers would just like a new story, probably and I'm guessing that in ME it would be the same. Plus, the voice actors for ME would be very hard to recast.
Who else could do Garrus? C'Mon!
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 14, 2017 14:26:22 GMT
It would be kind of like 're mastering' the original Star Wars trilogy with all new actors, sets and cgi. Utterly not wanted by most fans of the original. Newer movie goers would just like a new story, probably and I'm guessing that in ME it would be the same. Plus, the voice actors for ME would be very hard to recast. Who else could do Garrus? C'Mon! And Zaeed would no longer exist, since his VA is dead. Who could even replace that guy? I know there's a bunch of talented voice actors out there, but it's a hard pill to swallow and I know I'd probably be able to tell the difference.
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Post by kino on Jun 14, 2017 14:44:24 GMT
Reboot a 10 yr old trilogy of games? Games that would have to be completely re-done because of Frostbite, no less?
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 14, 2017 15:03:59 GMT
Reboot a 10 yr old trilogy of games? Games that would have to be completely re-done because of Frostbite, no less? hah. The thing that bugs me is that BioWare gets criticized for pushing out stuff that are considered cash grabs, then here and there some suggestions crop up that are even more blatant cash grabs :smh: . I'd argue that this would be as much so as any multiplayer thing they ever make, since they're retreading the old territory for no particularly good reason. However, I would be curious to see how much people complain when they think that the new version of Shepard & Co are somehow hollow shells of their former selves. I mean, if they were to reproduce the thing, they're probably not going to recycle the old dialogue and voice acting.
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Jun 14, 2017 15:17:56 GMT
Well... When I talked about a reboot, I didn't mean throw away everything and create a new story. I meant they should retold Shepard's story with new details and enough differences that the experience feels refreshing without doing away with what we know and love. Of course there would be Liara, Tali, Garrus, Jack and Miranda along with the many crazy shenanigans that went down over all the games and DLC. My proposal to remove Jacob was half-joking but given how irrelevant he was to the story to the point his death seldom affected his ME3 mission, the devs would have no problem replacing him with an entire new character who doesn't scream "I am here to fill the squad spot until you unlock someone else". In regards to modifying other existing characters, changing VAs would be stupid except maybe for Zaeed (dead) and Tali (can't voice bixesuals). In my opinion, a reboot could be great if: -They allow us to Shepard's military background in the prologue (fending off the Skyllian Blitz, surviving a nest of thresher maws or butchering Torfan); -We are given the option to save both Kaidan and Ashley on Virmire; -Abandoned plots such as biotic discrimination, humanity's dominance on the Council and dark energy killing stars were explored and given closure; -The order of recruitment in the part covering ME2 got flexibilized (the writing and dialogue was even already done before being cut from the game); -Zaeed and Kasumi had their roles and interactions expanded; -In the part covering ME3 they allowed characters with no good excuses (Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi and Miranda) to rejoin Shepard as squadmates once their primary issues were solved. -Include a subplot properly retconning the existence of the Andromeda Initiative into the main story and having Shepard interact with Alec and Jien.All those points could give an entire new Mass Effect experience without defacing the storyline of the trilogy. I have more personal changes I'd like to see but which I don't consider necessary to make a reboot great: -Let fem!Shep romance Tali and Jack; -Let bro!Shep romance Tane; -Make Kazumi a romance option for bro!Shep; -Make Javik a full romance option for fem!Shep; -Replace Jacob with Maya Brooks and have her betrayal plot with a clone unfold during the events of ME2; -Change the ending so that we have an epic boss battle with the Catalyst and establish destroying the reapers as the only possible outcome. All in all, a reboot would not be difficult to pull off even with an inexperienced team because the original writers already left a decent story but with enough unused content and plot holes that could be used to expand and even improve Shepard's journey. Gameplay wise the replay value is also immense considering that mechanics changed a lot since ME1 and it would certainly be fun going through some familiar scenarios with abilities we didn't have back when the original games were launched. EDIT: Also, let's remember that Mass Effect Andromeda tried to sail a new story with the hype of a previous one. The reboot in question would not only renew interest in the franchise as a whole but specifically it would remind people that MEA exists and give it enough hype so that EA greenlights a sequel to it.
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Post by kino on Jun 14, 2017 15:24:36 GMT
Reboot a 10 yr old trilogy of games? Games that would have to be completely re-done because of Frostbite, no less? hah. The thing that bugs me is that BioWare gets criticized for pushing out stuff that are considered cash grabs, then here and there some suggestions crop up that are even more blatant cash grabs :smh: . I'd argue that this would be as much so as any multiplayer thing they ever make, since they're retreading the old territory for no particularly good reason. However, I would be curious to see how much people complain when they think that the new version of Shepard & Co are somehow hollow shells of their former selves. I mean, if they were to reproduce the thing, they're probably not going to recycle the old dialogue and voice acting. Well, I've often thought that some of the controversy over MEA came from a subset of the fans who are still upset about the ending of ME3. Hence, the calls to rewrite and re-do the OT. It's not going to happen, of course. It'd cost a goddamn fortune to redo the OT in Frostbite, not to mention all of the other things that would have to happen.
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Post by Wulfram on Jun 14, 2017 15:31:27 GMT
A reboot would be lame and unnecessary. None of the game look all that ugly
What they need to do is grasp the nettle and write an actual sequel to the trilogy. Even if that means picking an ending as "canon".
I like Mass Effect Andromeda, but it suffers from running away from the next story about Mass Effect that needs to be told, which is the story about putting the galaxy back together after the Reaper War.
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