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Post by vanelsa on Jun 16, 2017 18:19:25 GMT
I'm compelled to share my build and a couple of gameplay videos for the Asari Huntress after reading numerous posts about how she's the most useless kit in the game. I see her as a Jack/Jill of all trades. A master of none, yes, but oftentimes better than a master of one. I wrote in an earlier post about how she's a team force multiplier, but she's also a great detonator and ranged (or close combat) knockdown specialist. Here's how I'm speccing her currently: - Throw: 4B (Radius) 5A (Duration) 6A (Double Throw)
- Stealth Grid: n/a
- Lance: 4B (Radius) 5A (Focused Blast) 6A Knockdown
- Offensive Biotics: 4B (Power Efficiency) 5B (Combo Detonation) 6A (Biotic Expert)
- Barrier: 4A (Unyielding Barrier) 5A (Biotic Alacrity) 6B (Saving Barrier)
I have been playing her on this week's APEX Gold Kett with -25% Maximum Health and Shields. Armed with Shadow X and Eagle V and equipped with Incendiary Ammo I and Power Capacity Mod II. You can see the results of the match in these two videos. Do note, I'm on Xbox One, and was capturing to a laptop while playing the game using Xbox One's streaming to another computer (so there's a little lag in the controls). I have Aim Assist turned off (wonder if that will help my Lance aiming). First game had a Krogan Engineer, Angara Exemplar, and a Krogan Vanguard: Check out this section at the 10:35 mark. Within a one minute period, I Killed a Fiend pretty much by myself with fire explosions detonated with Lance and Throw and saved a teammate from being sync killed by an Ascendant. Second game had an Asari Adept, Human Male Infiltrator, and a Human Engineer: Didn't even use the Eagle at all in this match. Other good sidearms to use include Hurricane, Rozerad, and Hornet. My basic gameplay is to strip shields, rag-doll with Throw or Knockdown with Lance. Shadow is great at priming for combo detonations and stripping shields from multiple enemies. Radius and Duration on Throw rag-doll multiple enemies and for a considerable time, reducing enemy DPS to zero. I am not sure how effective Radius is on Lance, but I've seen the 1.5m Knockdown radius affect three enemies ( see 9:35 mark here) I might re-spec her to Biotic Warrior for close-range knockdown abilities if combo detonations are enough to kill defensless enemies. That will give her three methods to rag doll non-armored enemies: Throw, Lance, and Melee. Stealth Grid, as much as I like her specced with Evasive Grid, one point provides enough utility for the team. To me, the Asari Huntress is a great character. One of the best in the game. She might not be the best infiltrator, crowd control, or DPS monster, but she does all things well and is worthy of her Rare card status. ==== Update: Some gameplay video with the Sandstorm X and Avenger X on Gold Kett Magma. See post for more details.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 16, 2017 18:44:37 GMT
The important questions are:
- Is she the most affected by lag?
- Have you confirmed this with the mythic BioWare DPS Formula?
- Do you Thunderdome?
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 18:46:19 GMT
TC & Shadow ?!
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Post by vanelsa on Jun 16, 2017 18:51:58 GMT
TC & Shadow ?! If you watch the video, I actually rarely cloak when using the Shadow. I could easily switch up with the Naladen for area of effect damage or the PAW for shield stripping and priming.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 16, 2017 18:55:06 GMT
Most rational people don't say she's useless though. They say she's pointless. A Kineticist with a Shadow for instance would do a much better job of camping Killer Lane on Zero.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 18:56:29 GMT
If you watch the video, I actually rarely cloak when using the Shadow. I could easily switch up with the Naladen for area of effect damage or the PAW for shield stripping and priming. I am sure you did well. It`s just that people here are really hard to impress if you post anything about Zero/ Gold / Camping... even if it is Apex mission. Just saying... you know...
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Post by vanelsa on Jun 16, 2017 18:57:17 GMT
The important questions are: - Is she the most affected by lag? - Have you confirmed this with the mythic BioWare DPS Formula? - Do you Thunderdome? Regarding Thunderdome, I'm not interested in competing heads up to find out which kit and person can top score. While I will admit I enjoy getting first place on the scoreboard, I'm happier seeing the entire team extract and my contributions to the team via lots of gold medals for assists and support.
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Post by vanelsa on Jun 16, 2017 18:59:40 GMT
If you watch the video, I actually rarely cloak when using the Shadow. I could easily switch up with the Naladen for area of effect damage or the PAW for shield stripping and priming. I am sure you did well. It`s just that people here are really hard to impress if you post anything about Zero/ Gold / Camping... even if it is Apex mission. Just saying... you know... We start out in the camping area and move around the map. Same with any other map. Watch the Wave 6 objective round if you want to see coordinated chaos.
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Post by vanelsa on Jun 16, 2017 19:03:47 GMT
Most rational people don't say she's useless though. They say she's pointless. A Kineticist with a Shadow for instance would do a much better job of camping Killer Lane on Zero. Pointless until you get devices or retrieval. Pointless until the Kineticist breaks out of Ascension mode and gets ripped to shreds or scurries into cover to regain shields. And this is coming from someone who enjoys playing the Kineticist.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 16, 2017 19:06:45 GMT
TC & Shadow ?! If you watch the video, I actually rarely cloak when using the Shadow. I could easily switch up with the Naladen for area of effect damage or the PAW for shield stripping and priming. The point he's making is that you're using options that'd be good on any kit with practically any build - Shadow melts faces on anything, Stealth Grid or no - so it isn't terribly persuasive. The character you're trying to convince us is good simply isn't doing any of the work. Saying in response to that criticism that it could also work with URs instead of one of the best rares isn't gaining you any ground. To be clear, I don't dislike the Huntress even though I use her extremely infrequently. You're just not hitting her selling points.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 16, 2017 19:07:53 GMT
Most rational people don't say she's useless though. They say she's pointless. A Kineticist with a Shadow for instance would do a much better job of camping Killer Lane on Zero. Pointless until you get devices or retrieval. Pointless until the Kineticist breaks out of Ascension mode and gets ripped to shreds or scurries into cover to regain shields. And this is coming from someone who enjoys playing the Kineticist. Don't feed me that lame "objectives" rebuttal. Objectives are completed with teams without stealth grid all the damn time. Weaksauce.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 16, 2017 19:09:06 GMT
Most rational people don't say she's useless though. They say she's pointless. A Kineticist with a Shadow for instance would do a much better job of camping Killer Lane on Zero. Ewww. I liked this post based on the first two sentences. Then I read the third and felt dirty. I don't want my likes associated with filthy campers.
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Post by vanelsa on Jun 16, 2017 19:19:21 GMT
Pointless until you get devices or retrieval. Pointless until the Kineticist breaks out of Ascension mode and gets ripped to shreds or scurries into cover to regain shields. And this is coming from someone who enjoys playing the Kineticist. Don't feed me that lame "objectives" rebuttal. Objectives are completed with teams without stealth grid all the damn time. Weaksauce. Of course, but she and any other infiltrator make those two objectives easier. Just like the Kineticist and the Exemplar make rapid-fire combo detonations easier. The Huntress has both of these skills in one kit. Like I wrote, Jack/Jill of all Trades. She might not the best kit to do one particular thing, but she's versatile enough to do all of them.
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Post by modusmoriendi on Jun 16, 2017 19:30:10 GMT
Defending her ... what!? Sorry, I'm sure your guide is great and all, but I kinda fell out of it after reading this part.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 16, 2017 19:30:12 GMT
Don't feed me that lame "objectives" rebuttal. Objectives are completed with teams without stealth grid all the damn time. Weaksauce. Of course, but she and any other infiltrator make those two objectives easier. Just like the Kineticist and the Exemplar make rapid-fire combo detonations easier. The Huntress has both of these skills in one kit. Like I wrote, Jack/Jill of all Trades. She might not the best kit to do one particular thing, but she's versatile enough to do all of them. You make it sound like devices and retrieval objectives are difficult. Every, and I mean everybody else can complete those objectives without issue, so that isn't a USP. That's why she's pointless.
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Post by Sentinel2010 on Jun 16, 2017 19:39:01 GMT
Before Angara Avenger comes the Huntress had a point in her Stealth Grid.
Now… she only has a skill point in it.
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Post by vanelsa on Jun 16, 2017 19:42:33 GMT
Of course, but she and any other infiltrator make those two objectives easier. Just like the Kineticist and the Exemplar make rapid-fire combo detonations easier. The Huntress has both of these skills in one kit. Like I wrote, Jack/Jill of all Trades. She might not the best kit to do one particular thing, but she's versatile enough to do all of them. You make it sound like devices and retrieval objectives are difficult. Every, and I mean everybody else can complete those objectives without issue, so that isn't a USP. That's why she's pointless. You are reading incorrectly into what I wrote. Question for you. Say during a match there's an infiltrator or stealth grid character (not you). When devices or retrieval comes up, and the objective isn't next or close by to you, do you: 1) See if the infiltrator does it? 2) Rage if the infiltrator doesn't do it? 3) Are glad when the infiltrator does it so you can continue to kill enemies? 4) Rush and do the objective yourself? I'm happy to play her the way I do. Team support when necessary for revives and objectives. Crowd control with throw and lance (melee too if specced as such), and team cloak in the rush to extraction.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 16, 2017 19:44:23 GMT
Don't feed me that lame "objectives" rebuttal. Objectives are completed with teams without stealth grid all the damn time. Weaksauce. Of course, but she and any other infiltrator make those two objectives easier. Just like the Kineticist and the Exemplar make rapid-fire combo detonations easier. The Huntress has both of these skills in one kit. Like I wrote, Jack/Jill of all Trades. She might not the best kit to do one particular thing, but she's versatile enough to do all of them. If you're still trying to convince people that she's not bad, you're missing the point: nobody thinks she is. She's just boring. Most of your arguments seem to boil down to "she's underwhelming, but not bad at any one thing." With few exceptions, that's true of most of the characters we have. I personally find the limitations of the diversity of our options less irritating that most, but let's me honest: there's no drellguard or Juggernaut in the MEA roster. You're generally not gonna tank the hot side of an upload with a Keneticist or snipe with a kroguard, but *most* kits can fulfil *most* roles passably. I've never had devices or pizzas and thought "shit, if only I had Stealth Grid." If I want to use Stealth Grid because I'm readying up with a clearly-going-to-be-terribad PUG group, I'm going to use the Avenger. Avenger Strike and Stickies are more entertaining than (blech) Lance and Throw by leaps and bounds.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 16, 2017 19:46:20 GMT
You make it sound like devices and retrieval objectives are difficult. Every, and I mean everybody else can complete those objectives without issue, so that isn't a USP. That's why she's pointless. You are reading incorrectly into what I wrote. Question for you. Say during a match there's an infiltrator or stealth grid character (not you). When devices or retrieval comes up, and the objective isn't next or close by to you, do you: 1) See if the infiltrator does it? 2) Rage if the infiltrator doesn't do it? 3) Are glad when the infiltrator does it so you can continue to kill enemies? 4) Rush and do the objective yourself? I'm happy to play her the way I do. Team support when necessary for revives and objectives. Crowd control with throw and lance (melee too if specced as such), and team cloak in the rush to extraction. I make a beeline for every device and pizza. I don't need an infiltrator to do it. Why the hell would I?
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 16, 2017 19:52:13 GMT
You make it sound like devices and retrieval objectives are difficult. Every, and I mean everybody else can complete those objectives without issue, so that isn't a USP. That's why she's pointless. You are reading incorrectly into what I wrote. Question for you. Say during a match there's an infiltrator or stealth grid character (not you). When devices or retrieval comes up, and the objective isn't next or close by to you, do you: 1) See if the infiltrator does it? 2) Rage if the infiltrator doesn't do it? 3) Are glad when the infiltrator does it so you can continue to kill enemies? 4) Rush and do the objective yourself? I'm happy to play her the way I do. Team support when necessary for revives and objectives. Crowd control with throw and lance (melee too if specced as such), and team cloak in the rush to extraction. Doesn't matter one godsdamn iota what anyone else is using; I race every motherfucker to every objective every time. The only times teammates' class choices even vaguely become a point of consideration are: 1) wave 6 uploads, because aggro management; and 2) hacks, because I know ~30% of vanguards are going to run off and die like idiots, probably dragging at least one other person away to save them.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Jun 16, 2017 20:03:56 GMT
Turian Havoc is best kit for pizza delivery, & who doesn't want their pizza arrive by air?
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Post by killabkilledb on Jun 16, 2017 20:16:27 GMT
I think she is good for average players. Not implying this about you in any way. Only saying that in a a team of typical casuals being able to use incendiary ammo to prime and detonate fire combos with a hard hitting lance and disappear at any time to avoid dying or revive teammates with stealth grid is useful. Also can do hacks and devices/delivery easily...
A paw, incendiary ammo and lance with stealth grid may be very useful on platinum. But for me, I'd just use the kinetics for combos with paw.
And I would have saved those two rockets for wave 6 just in case and finished it short 1 hand...I would have shot one to be nice but not the second.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 16, 2017 20:23:29 GMT
I think she is good for average players. Not implying this about you in any way. Translation: OP you stupid AF. Say what you mean, brotato. You say the same thing as me you just sugar coat it like a pansy redditor.
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Post by vanelsa on Jun 16, 2017 20:32:07 GMT
Just finished an APEX Gold mission with Asari Huntress armed with a Sandstorm, Avenger, Incendiary Ammo I (didn't prime that much), and Power Capacity Mod I. Full extraction. imgur.com/a/gH2G4Didn't have my capture video set up. Will try to do one later this week.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 20:34:01 GMT
Honestly I don`t find Infiltrators particularly better for pizza & device missions.
...but boy... do I find infiltrator overwhelmingly convenient for assassination objective...
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