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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 21:35:20 GMT
In ME2, only 8 squadmates are required to get through the Omega - 4 relay. Depending on which 8, all can survive. So who would you remove from the roster?
1) Mordin - I would keep him in the game as part of the crew, but not as a squadmate. He would have a loyalty mission, but will be escorted by Shepard and 2 squadmates where he encounters Maleon. The scene plays out the same as currently seen in ME2.
2) Jack - She doesn't care about the mission to stop the collectors. Very undisiplined that can cause problems.
3) Jacob - He really has no use.
4) Thane - The moment is says he's dying, I wanted to say "sorry for wasting your time, but you're not what I need for my mission". I don't need to have someone with health problems that might jeopardize the mission
I'm sure some might choose Kasumi and Zaeed because both are dlc characters. That's fine. If I were to add them, I would keep Jack and Jacob on the roster
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Jun 23, 2017 0:42:28 GMT
Didn't we have a similar poll on this site? Or am I remembering a poll on the old BSN forums? Because I feel like I have answered this before, and I cannot remember which four I chose.
I think I may have chosen Grunt (because he is typical Krogan and is extremely useless in every way) and Thane (new species, but adds almost nothing), and then either Kasumi and Legion, Kasumi and Jack, or Legion and Jack. (And I like Jack as a character, but I agree with the mikefest that she is a poor choice considering the stakes of the mission).
But I am going to hold off on voting until I can recall who I chose last time around.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Jun 23, 2017 0:49:05 GMT
Found it: If you had to cut 3 squadmates from ME2 by ArcadiaGrey In that poll, I chose: Legion, Grunt, and Thane. - I prefer Geth as antagonists throughout the series. Removing Legion would have left a little more room for Geth in ME2 as an enemy faction. He is pretty much Tali except with a worse bonus power. The Widow is decent on him, but... eh.
- Grunt because I think he is the most useless squadmate in the game, and I do not want a 'typical Krogan' on the team. Tali and Legion are niche, and Grunt is not even good enough to be niche. He even sucks at his own loyalty mission.
- Thane because we did not need the Drell in Mass Effect. I think the Drell history is interesting, but we only meet Thane and his son in ME2 (and ME3 only if Thane survives ME2) and no other Drell ever again in the trilogy campaign. I would miss his Warp with Pull/Slam/Singularity, but I would maybe put it on Jack instead because Shockwave is terrible.
So now all I need to do is choose a fourth squadmate to cut from the game. I am thinking Kasumi, since she is probably the worst fit story-wise in the game (why do we need a thief?), but that would leave me with 1 tech specialist and two tech specialists (Jack and Samara/Morinth). Jack would likely be my other choice since she is not a good fit story-wise either, since we don't need a lone-wolf convict. Samara may be a lone wolf, but she did used to be a mercenary so she has had experience with group combat dynamics in the past.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 23, 2017 1:40:32 GMT
I overlooked that thread. Well then. Lock the thread moderator.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 23, 2017 1:43:15 GMT
This is a tough one. I have to ignore how their lack affects ME3. OK, as much as it pains me to say it, since this is Shepard with Cerberus, I'd remove the two squadmates Shepard trusts - Garrus and Tali. We have Thane and Kasumi to fill their roles so they're kind of unnecessary. Also, in context of the novels, Tali makes very little sense. Being there should have made Tali suspect as a traitor. I love her, and Garrus, but let's make way for the new cast.
That leaves two squadmates that are exclusive to ME2. I feel like Miranda is too integral to the storyline. In a way, Jacob is, too. That is, it would make sense for TIM to have at least a couple people loyal to Cerberus present. For that reason, I'd keep both of them. I've already decided to keep Thane and Kasumi because they fill the same roles as Garrus and Tali. Mordin is central to the plot. I think in terms of what they bring to the table, we really have a lot of biotics. Jacob and Miranda are staying so do we really need to have it at four? Jack I find to be interesting. She's not any more or less likely to be wanted by TIM (both are unlikely - a cop who kills anyone she perceives as bad or a Cerberus hater; either would would TIM dead). That means I get rid of Samara, even though I really like her.
Now I've got to look at the non-biotics, which is everyone else. I think Legion. Not for any special reason but her works much better in connection with Tali and since she's gone there's no reason for him. I do find it hard to believe that anyone would bother to bring Legion on board the Normandy. Too dangerous to consider when you've watched geth put humans on spikes and turn them into monsters. Tbh, my first thought would be that Legion is some kind of geth plot to take control of the Normandy. I do like Legion, but I'd get rid of him for this reason.
Everything I wrote was my thought process as it came to me. I tried to keep my feelings toward characters out of it and go with what makes sense in the game. If I were going by who I like, I'd have a harder time cutting four.
So, that's my cut selection: Garrus, Tali, Samara and Legion.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 23, 2017 1:46:05 GMT
I overlooked that thread. Well then. Lock the thread moderator. I'm actually glad you made this thread. It helped me stretch and think of story reasons for keeping people versus personal feelings. Also, having to cut four rather than three is a lot more work. I definitely eliminated characters I liked this time whereas in the other thread I went with how I felt about them. Also, the last post in that thread was October 2016 so I think you can be forgiven for overlooking it.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 23, 2017 11:13:27 GMT
We should be able to vote Jacob 4 times
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 13:07:04 GMT
From the non-DLC characters: Jacob and Miranda (Cerberus), Grunt and Samara/Mornith (really out of the blue stories that have nothing to do with the core of the game and are only there to have another Asari and another Krogan)
If DLC is included, then Zaeed, Kasumi (DLC) & Jacob and Miranda (Cerberus)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 14:37:43 GMT
I wouldn't remove any of them per se. I would just make it so you don't actually have to recruit Garrus, Jack, or Mordin. Similar to ME1, you could do the recruitment mission for Garrus and just send him packing. Ditto with Jack. Since Mordin's tech is critical, I would just have an option where you could leave Mordin to work on it the project from Omega. I would also add in an option to kick Jacob and/or Miranda off the project if you have recruited 8 of the others. That way, you could really vary the team you take through the relay... and combo from 8 to 12 would be possible.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 23, 2017 15:54:31 GMT
If you exclude Cerberus squadmates you really have a different game. You may as well have some other way that Shepard is resurrected. Serious tangent. Idea: The Collectors get their hands on Shepard and resurrect him for the purposes of leading their forces against the Council races. Shepard escapes from them in the ship that was the image of the one they had destroyed. Shepard goes immediately to the Council but they distrust him because they think he might be a plant for the Collectors/Reapers. He goes on a recruiting spree to find allies who will work with him. That's why it's such a ragtag bunch. Jack makes more sense in this context. Samara could potentially mind-meld with Shepard to learn that he isn't indoctrinated and that a control chip wasn't present - or, if Legion is recruited, Legion finds that chip and disables it based on knowledge of how the Reapers do things. (This would require undoing the heretic scenario and having Legion be a true rogue trying to alter the path of its fellows.) Of course, how they finance the mission is questionable. I guess side missions would do that.
As far as the ability to not recruit, wouldn't we then just run into the Garrus Scenario, wherein even if you didn't recruit Garrus you still did? Don't want to see that play out again in ME3 with people not recruited in ME2.
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Post by brfritos on Jun 29, 2017 8:03:18 GMT
My turn...
1) Tali. Really? A daughter with daddy issues? Who is incompetent when leading troops, since they don't respect her even she being the daughter of one the most respected admirals of their fleet, therefore disobeying her orders and almost getting Shepard and squad killed at Freedom's Progress? And speaking of his father, who is a genocidal megalomaniac with little regard for consequences? And I even have to provide cover for his crimes? Oh, I don't think so.
2) Jacob... because he's Jacob. There isn't much more need to add than that, his skills and weapon's proficiency can easily be replaced by others.
3) Mordin is another one. He's skills are not bad, but he lacks resilience and is not much durable in a fight. I would keep him on the team, but working on the background and far away from the front lines.
4) I'm also torned betweeen Thane and Jack. Jack is a psychopath, but what about Thane? Since he's sick and will die, although not in a immediate future, he states that a suicide mission is good because of that. So he don't care if he dies. But what about the person next to him? She or he may need help. I think I will take my chances with the psychopath, since her main problem is not disobeying orders but challenging authority. And like Garrus say, a show of force by Shepard usually puts her in her place. So is Thane.
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Post by Upggrade on Jul 9, 2017 23:05:40 GMT
The aliens. What made TIM think any of them would help Cerberus?
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Post by mendelbear1 on Jul 19, 2017 6:03:49 GMT
This is a tough choice. I would choose Mornith (if you can choose to cut her but keep Samara); she's a sociopath and a serial killer who only agrees to help you for the mission. She tries to kill you by saying "let's meld, I think you're strong enough to resist it". She's more of a loose cannon than Jack (who had a horrific past and isn't a compulsive liar like Morinth). I would keep Samara though. Beside her my choices are; * Jacob; Because his powers don't really contribute anything, he doesn't bring anything unique to the table and he serves no purpose other than giving you the Normandy armour upgrade (which could be passed onto another character such as Miranda or Mordin). Even his claim as a stabilizing element doesn't crop up in the story. He tries to talk to Tali though her people have a grudge against Cerberus and goads her when he tells her about EDI. He antagonizes Thane because he doesn't like assassins as they're "only loyal to their next paycheck", though interestingly Zaeed is a mercenary but Jacob has no negative words for him. He doesn't check Miranda's negative qualities nor does he have any interactions with Jack. * Jack; while she has a sympathetic past and contributes power, she does have too much loose cannon traits and could start a fight (she attacked Miranda, God knows what would happen if she said the wrong thing to Grunt or Zaeed, who are as violent as she is). Not to mention storywise Samara also works as a powerful biotic. * Grunt; This is a hard choice between him and Zaeed. They fill similar roles, and the problem is that Grunt is too inexperienced while Zaeed is too immoral (jeopardizing the mission, causing collateral damage without considering other options, challenging and drawing a weapon on a superior officer). I would choose to keep Zaeed, though I dislike him, only because he's useful and without Jack or Grunt, there's no chance of a loose cannon type character setting him off. * Thane; Because he is dying, and a previous post mentioned him not caring whether he lived or died would be detrimental.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 19, 2017 17:57:49 GMT
Oh, I think I used the poll wrong. Did it before reading the OP. I thought this was about which squad mates we'd remove from the story because they don't add that much and the resources might have been better spent on fleshing out other characters or the main plot. I didn't realize this was supposed to be about in-universe reasons.
That's why I voted: 1. Jacob: That's a no brainer in any case. 2. Kasumi: Outside of her own mission, she doesn't really add that much and while I don't dislike her per se, I think she's a bit too cliche. 3. Zaeed: Don't get me wrong, Zaeed has some great lines and he's got some good follow-up content in ME3 but he's such a loner that he doesn't really fit that well into the team, IMO. In fact, quite a few of my Shepards let him burn on Zorya. 4. Grunt: Now, that was a tough one and Grunt only got kicked out by process of elimination (read: I wanted to keep all the other characters just a little bit more). One of the main reasons Grunt was the one to loose is because I just hate his LM. The whole keystone arena thing is just never very fun to play through for me. However, he does have great content in ME3 (and especially in Citadel) that I would be very sorry loose.
So there you have it. But I don't think we should loose any of them to be honest. ME2's main plot was complete crap but the squad mates were pretty much all awesome and they made that game IMO.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Jul 20, 2017 7:24:29 GMT
As weird as this sounds, but Thane made Mass Effect for me.
Yes.
I love the Mass Effect universum to bits, I love characters like TIM, Shepard herself/himself, Garrus, Joker and Wrex.
But to truly fell in love to a character was an experience I never thought would happen in my life. Thane's arc was well written to the end. His recruiting mission was the most intense and he was also a very valuable squadmate with biotics and heavy weapons.
Yet, there were a lot of team members in ME2. But hey, originally, you needed an small army to get trough the mission. Everyone was valuable, but my Shepard was very suspicious about Zaeed: Illusive man could have offered Zaeed a job to end Shepard if s/he rebelled. He only followed the trail of money.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 20, 2017 9:37:38 GMT
- Miranda - Jacob - Morinth
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jul 26, 2017 14:13:26 GMT
I overlooked that thread. Well then. Lock the thread moderator. A month late, but will do. Also, as always, anyone who voted Kasumi be removed better prepare for bannu.
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