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Post by sugarless on Jun 25, 2017 20:25:51 GMT
Hacking group Anonymous claims NASA is on the verge of announcing alien life.
The group posted a video to YouTube overnight suggesting NASA spokesman Professor Thomas Zurbuchen said at one of the last meetings of the US Science, Space and Technology committee the space organisation would soon announce the discovery of other intellectual life.
Anonymous claims Professor Zurbuchen told the meeting “our civilisation is on the verge of discovering evidence of alien life in the cosmos. Taking into account all of the different activities and missions that are searching for alien life, we are on the verge of making one of the most profound, unprecedented discoveries in history”.
The video comes after NASA revealed new planets in the solar system.
Thoughts?
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Post by nanotm on Jun 25, 2017 20:51:43 GMT
the video is boring as shit, I lost the will to listen to it half way through.
does alien life exist, undoutably it does, we have been seeing news reports of bizarre cosmological happenings in other solar systems for some time, we have just recently found out that our own solar system might actually be a lot larger than we thought it was and we still haven't figured out how to create inertial dampners or even generate fast space travel, could someone else have figured that stuff out? most likely yes and its also highly likely that our planet has had some interactions with some sort of alien life forms in the past.... indeed its highly probably that there were some at some point that regularly visited our planet well that or at some point some sort of catastrophy happened and humans forgot/lost much of their former technological prowess ...
far more likely we were once a space foreign race and somehow ended up marooned and that technology failed us (or at least something happened that caused it to fail) that barely a spark of the human race survived and is slowly starting to regain some of what it once knew...
some stuff seems easier for us to discover, and certainly the religious zealotry that prevented us form doing things or achieving any form of meaningful progress for at least 2000 years tends to suggest we as humanity have suffered from cultural regression more than once, and each time that regression takes hold population density drops and much knowledge is lost....
is nasa going to parade an alien around or announce that contact has been made and risk triggering a global panic attack, hardly, the only way they would do such a thing is if they knew the aliens were safe and providing us with a means to progress massively and expand into space in a big way in short period of time, but even then only if there was an existential threat because the risks associated with releasing such technology into general use where it could be subverted are too great, so no I seriously doubt there going to make any dramatic declarations about anything, maybe mention that some form of cyanobacteria has been found and appears to be slowly terraforming things into breathable atmospheres, although the questions about how this was discovered would remain unanswered until out own earth based technology had improved enough to make it possible to answer .....
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jun 25, 2017 20:54:28 GMT
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Post by slimgrin on Jun 25, 2017 20:58:54 GMT
Not buying it.
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Post by ScumbagShepurd on Jun 25, 2017 20:59:50 GMT
Reepaz.
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Post by Serza on Jun 25, 2017 21:08:49 GMT
They're out there.
If it's not our system, it's our cluster. If not that, there's an entire galaxy. If it's not our galaxy, the odds are just too great. There's Andromeda and thousands upon thousands of other galaxies.
Nope, there's something out there, alright.
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Post by Pearl on Jun 25, 2017 21:27:48 GMT
I'll believe it when I see it.
That said, I think that believing humans are the only intelligent life out there is naive, considering how much we know about the scale of the universe.
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Post by nanotm on Jun 25, 2017 21:40:04 GMT
theres that and a few other stories about something that was there but isn't now yet all the light disappeared within the space of a few years, giving rise to speculation that someone or something was building a dyson sphere (or something like it) because there wasn't anything like the expected readings for a star ceasing to exist (unless of course it just became hidden) so many things and nothing but rampant speculation to explain them /
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jun 25, 2017 21:45:04 GMT
Reminds me of Jehovah's Witnesses running door to door warning people about the impending end of the world. They're doing that like every 5 years or so and it never happens.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 25, 2017 21:52:26 GMT
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Post by snook on Jun 25, 2017 22:08:43 GMT
I WANT TO BELIEVE
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Post by sugarless on Jun 25, 2017 22:20:41 GMT
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 25, 2017 22:32:14 GMT
This reminds me of EA's typical PR bull... "Here is an announcement that we are going to have an announcement about whether or not there will be future announcements!"
I don't doubt that given the size of the universe that there is other intelligent life out there. So once NASA actually announces it I'll be interested. This looks like a lot of nothing about nothing though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 22:39:44 GMT
Some sort of insignificant fungi inside a comet. insignificant intellectual fungi The discovery of Yuggoth could be mad fun.
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jun 25, 2017 22:47:00 GMT
Eh. It would be cool, but ultimately, what bloody difference would it make?
Well. For starters. If we find evidence of alien life. That means we have an exact direction at which to point our technology and send signals to that location. If there is alien life, advanced, intellectual alien life, they will catch it and they may send something back. That would take years for any significant results to show themselves. Something may come of it. Nothing may come of it.
The point is. Unless I can hook up with sexy blue aliens tomorrow, I'm not interested.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jun 25, 2017 22:53:42 GMT
Eh. It would be cool, but ultimately, what bloody difference would it make? If they are a little ahead of us technologically and intellectually they may have answers to all of our burning question, I'd say that would make a difference of absolutely unfathomable magnitudes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 23:02:48 GMT
Eh... id trust them more if they werent criminals
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Post by nanotm on Jun 25, 2017 23:07:12 GMT
Eh. It would be cool, but ultimately, what bloody difference would it make? Well. For starters. If we find evidence of alien life. That means we have an exact direction at which to point our technology and send signals to that location. If there is alien life, advanced, intellectual alien life, they will catch it and they may send something back. That would take years for any significant results to show themselves. Something may come of it. Nothing may come of it. The point is. Unless I can hook up with sexy blue aliens tomorrow, I'm not interested. given that any signals sent would travel at the speed of light then getting a message to them would take century's and just as long to get a reply and that's supposing the signal doesn't get corrupted degraded or outright blocked by something along the way, indeed it would take so long to communicate that way anyone who sent a message out wouldn't be around to find out what the reply was and likely due to funding cuts the receiver would of been dismantled and used for something else and the planet would be none the wiser until the armada showed up to invade.... the utter infancy of the idea that anyone you run across in space isn't going to be militaristic and following the principles of "might makes right" and "conquest is the only true way to achieve progression through acquisition" because we aspire to force people to do better is mind blowing.... the likelihood of there being another sentient species that shares such frankly absurd ideas is mind bogglingly infinitesimally tiny given the size of the universe, and any attempts to make contact without first at least attempting to be able to defend our selves is also utterly delusional and just inviting disaster....
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jun 25, 2017 23:41:48 GMT
Eh. It would be cool, but ultimately, what bloody difference would it make? Well. For starters. If we find evidence of alien life. That means we have an exact direction at which to point our technology and send signals to that location. If there is alien life, advanced, intellectual alien life, they will catch it and they may send something back. That would take years for any significant results to show themselves. Something may come of it. Nothing may come of it. The point is. Unless I can hook up with sexy blue aliens tomorrow, I'm not interested. given that any signals sent would travel at the speed of light then getting a message to them would take century's and just as long to get a reply and that's supposing the signal doesn't get corrupted degraded or outright blocked by something along the way, indeed it would take so long to communicate that way anyone who sent a message out wouldn't be around to find out what the reply was and likely due to funding cuts the receiver would of been dismantled and used for something else and the planet would be none the wiser until the armada showed up to invade.... the utter infancy of the idea that anyone you run across in space isn't going to be militaristic and following the principles of "might makes right" and "conquest is the only true way to achieve progression through acquisition" because we aspire to force people to do better is mind blowing.... the likelihood of there being another sentient species that shares such frankly absurd ideas is mind bogglingly infinitesimally tiny given the size of the universe, and any attempts to make contact without first at least attempting to be able to defend our selves is also utterly delusional and just inviting disaster.... I don't fully agree with that. Yes, there are going to be some alien species out there that are more barbaric, more war like, etc. than us. That will look to conquer is. To fight us. To extinguish us. That's a real possibility, but I don't think it's the only possibility. Take us for example. The human race. Yes we still war with each other. But, when it comes to meeting new people, we no longer engage with conflict. We start off peaceful. We start by communicating. We no longer seek to destroy or conquer different people. But we weren't always so. America was founded by killing it's inhabitants and stealing their land. Rome conquered the known world by spilling blood. There is a very likely possibility that intelligent life (that is roughly the same age or older than us) will feel the same way. That conflict isn't the first resort. That collaboration with others is far more beneficial. That doesn't mean we or them wouldn't show our teeth, but we shouldn't expect them to want to harm us. We should still be prepared though, as we should always be prepared for anything.
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Post by nanotm on Jun 26, 2017 0:22:32 GMT
given that any signals sent would travel at the speed of light then getting a message to them would take century's and just as long to get a reply and that's supposing the signal doesn't get corrupted degraded or outright blocked by something along the way, indeed it would take so long to communicate that way anyone who sent a message out wouldn't be around to find out what the reply was and likely due to funding cuts the receiver would of been dismantled and used for something else and the planet would be none the wiser until the armada showed up to invade.... the utter infancy of the idea that anyone you run across in space isn't going to be militaristic and following the principles of "might makes right" and "conquest is the only true way to achieve progression through acquisition" because we aspire to force people to do better is mind blowing.... the likelihood of there being another sentient species that shares such frankly absurd ideas is mind bogglingly infinitesimally tiny given the size of the universe, and any attempts to make contact without first at least attempting to be able to defend our selves is also utterly delusional and just inviting disaster.... I don't fully agree with that. Yes, there are going to be some alien species out there that are more barbaric, more war like, etc. than us. That will look to conquer is. To fight us. To extinguish us. That's a real possibility, but I don't think it's the only possibility. Take us for example. The human race. Yes we still war with each other. But, when it comes to meeting new people, we no longer engage with conflict. We start off peaceful. We start by communicating. We no longer seek to destroy or conquer different people. But we weren't always so. America was founded by killing it's inhabitants and stealing their land. Rome conquered the known world by spilling blood. There is a very likely possibility that intelligent life (that is roughly the same age or older than us) will feel the same way. That conflict isn't the first resort. That collaboration with others is far more beneficial. That doesn't mean we or them wouldn't show our teeth, but we shouldn't expect them to want to harm us. We should still be prepared though, as we should always be prepared for anything. the phrase trust but verify springs to mind, and you cant very well verify good intentions if you don't even try to prepare.... the plague of society in our time is this need to be all inclusive, it doesn't work and your cant overcome things when only one side is willing to try.... that's what happened with the natives in the Americas, in the southern part the natives welcomed the Spanish in and died in there thousands for it, in the northern part they were fearful of the newcomers and reacted with aggression, in both cases the natives lost and were lucky not to be eradicated in the process by the victor (that's not to say there wasn't wrongdoing on both sides) but the fact that a few level heads prevailed and at least some limited form of existence was kept was both good and bad, but why should we trust that any species will be at least as egalitarian as we are instead of an annihilator group like most groups in human history (the sumatrans the sumarians etc etc) they didn't keep small bits of conquered foes around they killed every male and only kept the females as breeding stock to grow their armies (because they didn't bother letting the women raise the kids and killed them if they didn't keep baring children they ensured vanquished foes died out, just as they themselves became vanquished) in fact we should expect that any space faring race with the technological ability to reach our solar system will be aggressive militaristic and not egalitarian in the slightest, if we don't assume that to be the case then we will either be co-opted as food stocks /slaves or wiped out for being weak or worthless, because lets face it anyone who's managed to get that far ahead isn't going to need anything we produce unless its food stocks ....
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jun 26, 2017 0:28:47 GMT
I don't fully agree with that. Yes, there are going to be some alien species out there that are more barbaric, more war like, etc. than us. That will look to conquer is. To fight us. To extinguish us. That's a real possibility, but I don't think it's the only possibility. Take us for example. The human race. Yes we still war with each other. But, when it comes to meeting new people, we no longer engage with conflict. We start off peaceful. We start by communicating. We no longer seek to destroy or conquer different people. But we weren't always so. America was founded by killing it's inhabitants and stealing their land. Rome conquered the known world by spilling blood. There is a very likely possibility that intelligent life (that is roughly the same age or older than us) will feel the same way. That conflict isn't the first resort. That collaboration with others is far more beneficial. That doesn't mean we or them wouldn't show our teeth, but we shouldn't expect them to want to harm us. We should still be prepared though, as we should always be prepared for anything. the phrase trust but verify springs to mind, and you cant very well verify good intentions if you don't even try to prepare.... the plague of society in our time is this need to be all inclusive, it doesn't work and your cant overcome things when only one side is willing to try.... that's what happened with the natives in the Americas, in the southern part the natives welcomed the Spanish in and died in there thousands for it, in the northern part they were fearful of the newcomers and reacted with aggression, in both cases the natives lost and were lucky not to be eradicated in the process by the victor (that's not to say there wasn't wrongdoing on both sides) but the fact that a few level heads prevailed and at least some limited form of existence was kept was both good and bad, but why should we trust that any species will be at least as egalitarian as we are instead of an annihilator group like most groups in human history (the sumatrans the sumarians etc etc) they didn't keep small bits of conquered foes around they killed every male and only kept the females as breeding stock to grow their armies (because they didn't bother letting the women raise the kids and killed them if they didn't keep baring children they ensured vanquished foes died out, just as they themselves became vanquished) in fact we should expect that any space faring race with the technological ability to reach our solar system will be aggressive militaristic and not egalitarian in the slightest, if we don't assume that to be the case then we will either be co-opted as food stocks /slaves or wiped out for being weak or worthless, because lets face it anyone who's managed to get that far ahead isn't going to need anything we produce unless its food stocks .... I think if they have the technology to reach us from wherever they reside in the universe, we would be better off beginning with a more peaceful approach. Their technology would, in all areas, far outweigh ours. We would stand no chance. Of course, the human race is resilient and we persevere in the face of unbeatable odds, but we'd still be fucked if we try to fight. No point in casting the first stone and show them we're a threat.
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Post by nanotm on Jun 26, 2017 0:53:08 GMT
the phrase trust but verify springs to mind, and you cant very well verify good intentions if you don't even try to prepare.... the plague of society in our time is this need to be all inclusive, it doesn't work and your cant overcome things when only one side is willing to try.... that's what happened with the natives in the Americas, in the southern part the natives welcomed the Spanish in and died in there thousands for it, in the northern part they were fearful of the newcomers and reacted with aggression, in both cases the natives lost and were lucky not to be eradicated in the process by the victor (that's not to say there wasn't wrongdoing on both sides) but the fact that a few level heads prevailed and at least some limited form of existence was kept was both good and bad, but why should we trust that any species will be at least as egalitarian as we are instead of an annihilator group like most groups in human history (the sumatrans the sumarians etc etc) they didn't keep small bits of conquered foes around they killed every male and only kept the females as breeding stock to grow their armies (because they didn't bother letting the women raise the kids and killed them if they didn't keep baring children they ensured vanquished foes died out, just as they themselves became vanquished) in fact we should expect that any space faring race with the technological ability to reach our solar system will be aggressive militaristic and not egalitarian in the slightest, if we don't assume that to be the case then we will either be co-opted as food stocks /slaves or wiped out for being weak or worthless, because lets face it anyone who's managed to get that far ahead isn't going to need anything we produce unless its food stocks .... I think if they have the technology to reach us from wherever they reside in the universe, we would be better off beginning with a more peaceful approach. Their technology would, in all areas, far outweigh ours. We would stand no chance. Of course, the human race is resilient and we persevere in the face of unbeatable odds, but we'd still be fucked if we try to fight. No point in casting the first stone and show them we're a threat. the safest way to do that is to have a good defence screen in place, its not like we cant create a fortress out of our solar system, what were talking about isn't something that outside the scope of feasibility and whilst anyone that actually travel will likely have some kind of shielding system in place those shields wont be able to stop mines kinetic and beam/energy weapons simultaneously nor will they stand up well against debris screens, and having a defence screen will provide a respectful show of force, so whilst we can be polite we don't also appear weak and ripe for the taking, as things are right now we would show up as easy pickings for anyone that could be bothered to travel here and then were fucked... "only the strong survive" is something that's been said since the dawn of time (and likely not an organic concept to this world) so appearing as weak will be the last thing were likely to do as a race / even if we cnat put manned platforms up we can put out sentries that cane be armed /disarmed /dead manned to wipe things out that come for us and then we will be respected as strong and carefull as well as someone to trade with.... that would see us survive.... the childlike wonderment that scientists view the universe with will be what kills us unless someone with some common dog takes charge and acts like a grown up protector /
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Post by Serza on Jun 26, 2017 7:23:52 GMT
Eh. It would be cool, but ultimately, what bloody difference would it make? Well. For starters. If we find evidence of alien life. That means we have an exact direction at which to point our technology and send signals to that location. If there is alien life, advanced, intellectual alien life, they will catch it and they may send something back. That would take years for any significant results to show themselves. Something may come of it. Nothing may come of it. The point is. Unless I can hook up with sexy blue aliens tomorrow, I'm not interested. The question is, are they someone we want to know we're here? But hey, if such rumors are about, we might even see first contact within our lifetime. Scary business, really.
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