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Post by lynx7386 on Jun 28, 2017 18:00:31 GMT
Any suggestions on Which, if any, are decent? I keep hearing that tech in general is really poor in mp compared to biotic or weapon based characters, but they tend to be my preferred character type.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 28, 2017 18:09:06 GMT
Not sure who's telling you tech characters are weak, but those people are very wrong.
In ME 3 MP, there weren't many examples of engineers that were in the same category as GI, KroLord or Justicar. I don't think the class as a whole was weak, but people pointed to the lack of a GI or Vorcha Sentinel as proof the class was lower-tier.
In MEA MP, the tech powers are very, very good. Much better than in ME 3, I feel. I doubt you'll have much trouble.
If you want a suggestion for a fun kit, try the Krogan Engineer, and just leave one point in turret. Develop melee and whatever else you like to focus on as a tech power character, and go to town.
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Post by Schreiner on Jun 28, 2017 18:16:54 GMT
you may have heard that tech characters are weak before they were buffed in a recent patch (1.06 i think?). most tech abilities got massive damage buffs, and i'm not talking 10-20% buffs, more like double damage. all tech classes now are very strong.
- the human engineer can clear huge swaths of red health enemies with snap freeze and cryo ammo - the krogan engineer can self-detonate combos on any enemy in the game (overload -> incincerate for shielded enemies, incinerate -> overload for everything else) - the salarian operator is arguably the best support class engineer in the game, able to debuff essentially the entire opposing faction to take more damage from teammates and also boost shields - the insurgent (pretty sure he's considered an engineer) was top tier even in the beginning, and he still is - the salarian architect is the closest thing the game has to a true pet class, and the remnant vi will regularly get kills on his own
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Post by onehitparry on Jun 28, 2017 18:24:39 GMT
Angara Exemplar is also very strong, even at Rank I. He's a combo machine, can be eventually leveled to have very small cool downs and has LoS powers that can't be dodged.
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Post by lynx7386 on Jun 28, 2017 18:24:41 GMT
I think a lot of what I was reading may have been from pre-buff then. I've been using the human engineer but I'm not a fan of cryo blast. Looking to eventually unlock either the krogan engineer or salarian architect, but no luck with packs yet. Also hate that the salarian got barricade instead of a more active power...
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 28, 2017 18:29:16 GMT
Honestly most of the characters in this game are balanced pretty well.
There are a few easy-mode characters (e.g. Avenger, Huntress, anything with Flak Cannon), a few that stand out as heavy-hitters (e.g. human and asari Adepts, Gladiator), and some that are boring but effective (subjective, but for me: Huntress, most nade builds), but none that just plain suck.
I initially didn't like the change from ME3 to classes not leveling together, but after getting everything to 20, I've enjoyed all of them to some degree.
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Post by jloco11 on Jun 28, 2017 18:29:28 GMT
Tech characters are some of the best characters in the game... mainly because tech powers have secondary abilities like healing, burning, DOT, stunning. Some biotic powers have those abilities when you upgrade them (like Pull or Annihilation), but most tech inherently have them (Energy Drain, Shield Boost).
And unlike some biotic characters (Gladiator & Huntress), they can prime and detonate combos with just their abilities. Huntress can detonate ammo combos, but the dedicated engineers all have abilities to detonate their own powers without ammo. Some combat/engineer kits will need ammo to detonate like the Operator or Insurgent.
But with ammo items, they become even better.
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Post by Schreiner on Jun 28, 2017 18:30:56 GMT
I think a lot of what I was reading may have been from pre-buff then. I've been using the human engineer but I'm not a fan of cryo blast. Looking to eventually unlock either the krogan engineer or salarian architect, but no luck with packs yet. Also hate that the salarian got barricade instead of a more active power... here's my personal take on cryo beam.. the ability is really shitty. like..... really shitty. it deals negligible damage, and doesn't even prime all that quickly. however, its rank 6 EVO snap freeze turns the engineer from a puny stuff-you-in-a-locker nerd into a nuclear missile against red health enemies. this is because snap freeze applies any time you kill any frozen enemy, which means they don't need to be frozen by cryo beam. you can essentially take 6 ranks of cryo beam, slap on your favorite fast-firing weapon and cryo ammo, and just go to town on people with just your gun. and every time you kill something that's frozen, it'll deal AOE damage to everything around it, and also snap freeze any red health enemies nearby. occasionally, you'll get a ridiculous chain reaction that results in an instant wipe of 4+ enemies.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 28, 2017 18:32:37 GMT
I think a lot of what I was reading may have been from pre-buff then. I've been using the human engineer but I'm not a fan of cryo blast. Looking to eventually unlock either the krogan engineer or salarian architect, but no luck with packs yet. Also hate that the salarian got barricade instead of a more active power... The HEs have a definite learning curve with regard to using Cryo Beam effectively. A lot of people here don't like them. Krogan Engineer is, IMO, one of the most underrated characters in the game.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 28, 2017 18:34:10 GMT
Tech characters are all great. They are also very popular among players.
I personally find Salarian Operator to be the best followed by the Angara Exemplar... but all other tech classes can definitely outperform them easily as well.
If you are just starting the game..
Human Sentinel & Asari Sentinel will probably give you easy start. They are easy to play with thanks to energy drain, and are both good practices before you move on to higher tech classes.
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Post by inert on Jun 28, 2017 18:46:48 GMT
Not sure who's telling you tech characters are weak, but those people are very wrong. In ME 3 MP, there weren't many examples of engineers that were in the same category as GI, KroLord or Justicar. I don't think the class as a whole was weak, but people pointed to the lack of a GI or Vorcha Sentinel as proof the class was lower-tier. In MEA MP, the tech powers are very, very good. Much better than in ME 3, I feel. I doubt you'll have much trouble. If you want a suggestion for a fun kit, try the Krogan Engineer, and just leave one point in turret. Develop melee and whatever else you like to focus on as a tech power character, and go to town. The QME would like word. A well-played QME will lay down more hurt than any of those kits - with the possible exception of the GI depending on playstyle. 100% agree tech kits in MEAMP are excellent, but in no way are they more impactful than their ME3MP counterparts. ME3MP powers > MEAMP powers even now, after the patches. Engineers are my favorite kits in both games. Human Engineer + Cryo combos in MEAMP are incredible against spawns. Krogan Engineer with new Rage survivability is pretty good for CQC detonations now. They're well balanced to other kits in MEAMP.
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Post by rlro on Jun 28, 2017 18:58:35 GMT
Not sure who's telling you tech characters are weak, but those people are very wrong. In ME 3 MP, there weren't many examples of engineers that were in the same category as GI, KroLord or Justicar. I don't think the class as a whole was weak, but people pointed to the lack of a GI or Vorcha Sentinel as proof the class was lower-tier. In MEA MP, the tech powers are very, very good. Much better than in ME 3, I feel. I doubt you'll have much trouble. If you want a suggestion for a fun kit, try the Krogan Engineer, and just leave one point in turret. Develop melee and whatever else you like to focus on as a tech power character, and go to town. The QME would like word. A well-played QME will lay down more hurt than any of those kits - with the possible exception of the GI depending on playstyle. 100% agree tech kits in MEAMP are excellent, but in no way are they more impactful than their ME3MP counterparts. ME3MP powers > MEAMP powers even now, after the patches. Engineers are my favorite kits in both games. Human Engineer + Cryo combos in MEAMP are incredible against spawns. Krogan Engineer with new Rage survivability is pretty good for CQC detonations now. They're well balanced to other kits in MEAMP. Exactly. QME was one of the characters I used in ME3MP when I wanted to make sure I was going to outscore everybody
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 28, 2017 19:04:56 GMT
I didn't say there weren't any. 100% agree tech kits in MEAMP are excellent, but in no way are they more impactful than their ME3MP counterparts. ME3MP powers > MEAMP powers even now, after the patches. And... I also didn't say that either. Neither the part about all powers being better now, nor the part about tech kits being more powerful than in ME 3. I was referring to their comparison specifically to other powers, which I said was much better in MEA than it had been in ME 3. I never said I felt the engineers were weaker, though I did refer to others feeling that way (as did OP.)
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Post by spacev3gan on Jun 28, 2017 19:19:15 GMT
All tech kits are more than decent, they rank between great to godly.
If you've read somewhere that they suck, that was most likely something said before patch 1.06 hit the game.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 28, 2017 19:30:39 GMT
All tech kits are more than decent, they rank between great to godly. If you've read somewhere that they suck, that was most likely something said before patch 1.06 hit the game. Honestly speaking, even before path 1.06... Engineer/Sentinel classes were still better than most soldier classes... lol Engineer classes had huge damage buff by patch.. but they always had their special healing & CC ability. Soldier classes were just terrible back then. 1. We had no good weapon because it was not long after release. 2. Even the good weapons sucked. lol 3. They had very limited CC ability 4. Turbocharge was terrible power with worst cool down time in entire game. Furthermore... The infamous Angara Insurgent is A TECH Class.He was always considered the best of the best... lol
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 28, 2017 20:42:58 GMT
The QME would like word. A well-played QME will lay down more hurt than any of those kits - with the possible exception of the GI depending on playstyle. 100% agree tech kits in MEAMP are excellent, but in no way are they more impactful than their ME3MP counterparts. ME3MP powers > MEAMP powers even now, after the patches. Engineers are my favorite kits in both games. Human Engineer + Cryo combos in MEAMP are incredible against spawns. Krogan Engineer with new Rage survivability is pretty good for CQC detonations now. They're well balanced to other kits in MEAMP. Exactly. QME was one of the characters I used in ME3MP when I wanted to make sure I was going to outscore everybody Whenever I saw someone use QMI/QME and knew they were tryharding, I'd switch to drellguard and make sure they only found nadeless ammo crates. Yes, I know I'm an asshole.
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Post by taimaxsk on Jun 28, 2017 21:02:58 GMT
Give me some tips on the human engineer. I'm working on leveling the kit up and it's rough. I can't make it work, so if anyone has a good build and suggestions on boosters and weapons that would be awesome. Based on recent discussions I've picked up that snap freeze and cryo ammo are highly recommended, but what about the turret and overload?
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 28, 2017 21:08:02 GMT
If I could get the turret to work, I'd use it, but after a week of failed attempts, I just leave 1 point in turret now.
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Post by lynx7386 on Jun 28, 2017 21:12:08 GMT
I really like having flamethrower on my turret, ill drop it in a hallway or spawning area or to cover my back against dogs. I haven't gotten cryo ammo to drop yet and don't have snap freeze yet, ill work on those next.
My engineer plays fine on smaller maps that aren't super convoluted with lots of walls or halls, but does terrible on the larger open maps. It really is more of a camping playstyle, but I'm accustomed to that from other games where there's a turret using class.
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Post by TheThirdRace on Jun 28, 2017 21:20:02 GMT
Give me some tips on the human engineer. I'm working on leveling the kit up and it's rough. I can't make it work, so if anyone has a good build and suggestions on boosters and weapons that would be awesome. Based on recent discussions I've picked up that snap freeze and cryo ammo are highly recommended, but what about the turret and overload? - Click on my signature to get redirected to the MEA MP Builder
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Post by rlro on Jun 28, 2017 21:44:38 GMT
Exactly. QME was one of the characters I used in ME3MP when I wanted to make sure I was going to outscore everybody Whenever I saw someone use QMI/QME and knew they were tryharding, I'd switch to drellguard and make sure they only found nadeless ammo crates. Yes, I know I'm an asshole. I always used my 6 Ammo packs per game, so I would still outscore you. Nice try though
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 28, 2017 21:57:00 GMT
Whenever I saw someone use QMI/QME and knew they were tryharding, I'd switch to drellguard and make sure they only found nadeless ammo crates. Yes, I know I'm an asshole. I always used my 6 Ammo packs per game, so I would still outscore you. Nice try though You'd be amazed how readily many people forget the tools at hand when they're angry. It didn't always work, but it did often enough to be worth it. Plus, it was an excuse to drell, so win all around.
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Post by crashsuit on Jun 28, 2017 22:16:21 GMT
3. They had very limited CC ability Havoc and Human Soldier were pretty good from the start IMO, esp. 1 point Turbocharge builds. Havoc: stunning Flak Cannon, airborne DR/accuracy boosts, detonating Incinerate Human Soldier: CS -> grenade -> CS -> grenade -> CS -> grenade -> CS -> grenade -> CS -> grenade -> CS -> grenade -> CS -> grenade -> CS
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