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Post by Croatsky on Jun 29, 2017 14:50:06 GMT
I agree it should be illegal, but I'm not so sure it is. But I'm not from Austria so I don't know is it, and while I am from EU I am not much versed into EU's laws on such things. Defamation, and a clear intent to harm revenues. Should be covered by the law somewhere. Austrian or international legal experts? Anyone? That might work, but that would require for EA and BioWare to bring up that lawsuit. However I doubt they are interested, likely would cost a lot more then what they'd have potentially lost in revenue. Plus it makes it more difficult as person who done this is anonymous and goes under fake alias. So that would require some serious police resources to hunt down real person. So whole lot of trouble for someone who, in grand scheme of things, done rather trivial damage to EA/BioWare. Especially since social media managed to debunk this on it's own, so word of mouth would recover any losses EA/BioWare may have suffered. So, Free Market capitalism at it's work?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 14:50:18 GMT
Now I'm wondering if SN was the source Kotaku used, what the heck is the truth now about BW Montreal? There's been a pretty sustained campaign to pour hate on MEA, no question. it's a solid 7/8-game that's being treated worse than Aliens: Colonial Marines. Whether or not Jason is in on it is a very different question and one that I think is a bit stretching to say the least, but I can easily see him taking the word of a 'dev' because they were saying stuff he could sell. Honestly, I'm a mixture of fascinated and annoyed - the former by the audacity of it and the latter by the sheer lack of thinking going on. Having said that, I suspect the hate train has gone off the cliff now. Anyone pushing the 'MEA is on teh ICE' narrative is going to get tarred with the same brush and be branded an imbecile. Jason wouldn't be in on it, he'd be fooled by them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 14:50:31 GMT
Defamation, and a clear intent to harm revenues. Should be covered by the law somewhere. Austrian or international legal experts? Anyone? I'm not really sure if they actually broke any Austrian law. Using a false phone number or adress on social media isn't an offense. And the defamation part is a hard one to persue. It's rather where this person is actually based. The choice of name(s) indicates that they never even visited Austria. They just have chosen some flashy sounding english ones. The company would have to persue that guy to bring him to court for defamation. But they'd had to go through facebook to get his real name and adress first. I agree, but the actions are harmful as natural justice would have it imo. I do not know much, but I feel that it should be a punishable offence.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 29, 2017 14:52:48 GMT
Weren't this guys (Sinclair Networks) the origin of the story about Bioware refusing to have 4 or 5 months more to work on the game? Yep, they're the same guys.
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Post by cypherj on Jun 29, 2017 14:52:54 GMT
But this just wasn't a hoax from today, they've been doing this since the game came out. They've been posting patch notes, and all kind of things since March, some before the game even came out. What was the purpose?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 14:55:03 GMT
But this just wasn't a hoax from today, they've been doing this since the game came out. They've been posting patch notes, and all kind of things since March, some before the game even came out. What was the purpose? They seem to have a deep hate for BW.
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Post by samhain444 on Jun 29, 2017 14:55:27 GMT
But this just wasn't a hoax from today, they've been doing this since the game came out. They've been posting patch notes, and all kind of things since March, some before the game even came out. What was the purpose? Right? I remember reading their Facebook page and it went on before the Mass Effect stuff so, like what has been said, ME:A wasn't the endgame
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Post by revanshep78 on Jun 29, 2017 14:56:41 GMT
I went to bed last night and the first thing I see is this craziness. I just read all 20 pages and wow, just. WOW! You BSN:CSI peeps have some legitimate investigative chops. I felt like I was watching Public Security Section 9 at work. That is probably one of the more elaborate hoaxes/trolling I've seen in a long time. What is the point at this time in the game? ME:A has already been released and the damage has been done. Unless this is former BW employee with an intense hatred of the company... wait...
It'll be interesting if Bioware will comment on this at all since it played out overnight in Canada.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 14:57:44 GMT
I went to bed last night and the first thing I see is this craziness. I just read all 20 pages and wow, just. WOW! You BSN:CSI peeps have some legitimate investigative chops. I felt like I was watching Public Security Section 9 at work. That is probably one of the more elaborate hoaxes/trolling I've seen in a long time. It'll be interesting if Bioware will comment on this at all since it played out overnight in Canada. I was up until 4 AM trying to make sense of it here in Ontario lol
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Post by Redhead on Jun 29, 2017 14:58:50 GMT
But this just wasn't a hoax from today, they've been doing this since the game came out. They've been posting patch notes, and all kind of things since March, some before the game even came out. What was the purpose? Since we don't know who they are, it's really hard to tell. They could be some OT fans, dissapointed about the new way of franchise, some ex-workers of either Bioware or EA - or just some really bored morons.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:00:14 GMT
I just find it amusing that you build a "House of Cards" like this, which seems like a lot of work, and it can all be smacked down by some message board and Reddit posters. That's community cleaning up... It also shows how many people love ME and would want proof written in BW/EA employee's blood before anything would be believed. But I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who walked past Bioware Montreals studios once and he said the building was condemned. Mass effect is dead. Thats the whole reason its still being given content and patches. And DA4 is not going to happen, and the sky is green and I'm secretly a turnip.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:01:04 GMT
It also shows how many people love ME and would want proof written in BW/EA employee's blood before anything would be believed. But I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who walked past Bioware Montreals studios once and he said the building was condemned. Mass effect is dead. Thats the whole reason its still being given content and patches. And DA4 is not going to happen, and the sky is green and I'm secretly a turnip. Yeah the sky is falling right? Haha Seriously though, great job Croatsky! We all had our suspicions, but you put the nail in the coffin!
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Post by kino on Jun 29, 2017 15:01:51 GMT
But this just wasn't a hoax from today, they've been doing this since the game came out. They've been posting patch notes, and all kind of things since March, some before the game even came out. What was the purpose? Overall the page looked like ego stroking. Wanting to be seen as being a part of game development and having an important role in particular games. ME:A wasn't the only game they listed that they were working on. Huh. Oddly enough all of this reminds me of someone who used to frequent the OG BSN.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:01:56 GMT
Defamation, and a clear intent to harm revenues. Should be covered by the law somewhere. Austrian or international legal experts? Anyone? That might work, but that would require for EA and BioWare to bring up that lawsuit. However I doubt they are interested, likely would cost a lot more then what they'd have potentially lost in revenue. Plus it makes it more difficult as person who done this is anonymous and goes under fake alias. So that would require some serious police resources to hunt down real person. So whole lot of trouble for someone who, in grand scheme of things, done rather trivial damage to EA/BioWare. Especially since social media managed to debunk this on it's own, so word of mouth would recover any losses EA/BioWare may have suffered. So, Free Market capitalism at it's work? I'd just wait to see what Bioware decides to do. It's pure conjecture at this stage whether or not it gets investigated further.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:02:09 GMT
So who was behind the hoax?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:02:59 GMT
But this just wasn't a hoax from today, they've been doing this since the game came out. They've been posting patch notes, and all kind of things since March, some before the game even came out. What was the purpose? Overall the page looked like ego stroking. Wanting to be seen as being a part of game development and having an important role in particular games. ME:A wasn't the only game they listed that they were working on. Huh. Oddly enough all of this reminds me of someone who used to frequent the OG BSN. Yeah remember I said they kept acting like BW needed them and would fall apart without them? That was a bit too much to believe.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 29, 2017 15:03:40 GMT
But this just wasn't a hoax from today, they've been doing this since the game came out. They've been posting patch notes, and all kind of things since March, some before the game even came out. What was the purpose? Since we don't know who they are, it's really hard to tell. They could be some OT fans, dissapointed about the new way of franchise, some ex-workers of either Bioware or EA - or just some really bored morons. I vote for bolden part.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 29, 2017 15:04:31 GMT
But I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who walked past Bioware Montreals studios once and he said the building was condemned. Mass effect is dead. Thats the whole reason its still being given content and patches. And DA4 is not going to happen, and the sky is green and I'm secretly a turnip. Yeah the sky is falling right? Haha Seriously though, great job Croatsky ! We all had our suspicions, but you put the nail in the coffin! Nah, I barely did anything. I just copy/pasted that redditors post who did all the work. I just simply relayed the info.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:05:20 GMT
Yeah the sky is falling right? Haha Seriously though, great job Croatsky ! We all had our suspicions, but you put the nail in the coffin! Nah, I barely did anything. I just copy/pasted that redditors post who did all the work. I just simply relayed the info. We all made a good team lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:05:34 GMT
While this hoax is clearly annoying I still stand by my point that BW itself is partly to blame for this. Had they dropped in previous weeks a single sentence like: "Yes future SP DLC are in our plan" or "Sorry guys no SP DLC for MEA"
This idiotic things wouldn't have happened. Lack of clarity creates these situations.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:07:07 GMT
While this hoax is clearly annoying I still stand by my point that BW itself is partly to blame for this. Had they dropped in previous weeks a single sentence like: "Yes future SP DLC are in our plan" or "Sorry guys no SP DLC for MEA" This idiotic things wouldn't have happened. Lack of clarity creates these situations. SN was likely familiar with how EA markets (Ian said they have the say when things are announced), so this was a perfect chance to mess things up.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 29, 2017 15:07:19 GMT
These guys have been around posting stuff like this for months and only now we find out it's a hoax? Um, did nobody find the fake IMDb entries, fake Jorg Kellar account and such, before now?
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Post by kino on Jun 29, 2017 15:07:54 GMT
It'll be interesting if Bioware will comment on this at all since it played out overnight in Canada. Comment on this? I wouldn't think so. Not only would it provide a sheen of legitimacy on what has been a giant coat of bullshit there is also the possibility that EA's legal dept could be looking into this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:07:54 GMT
But this just wasn't a hoax from today, they've been doing this since the game came out. They've been posting patch notes, and all kind of things since March, some before the game even came out. What was the purpose? Since we don't know who they are, it's really hard to tell. They could be some OT fans, dissapointed about the new way of franchise, some ex-workers of either Bioware or EA - or just some really bored morons. Heh, as I was reading through this thread I build a quick short story that involved a certain small European nation spy agency trying to destroy industrial competition on a mafia-like favor based relationship with their national industry rep... mmgh, it was very cool/entertaining in my head. The whole thing though was too small for something other than a mentally disturbed individual with an axe to grind. Same kind of terrible as the "fans" that sent threats to developers' family over SWTOR class balancing issues. Just scary crazies with the access to the web.
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