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Post by colfoley on Jun 29, 2017 5:12:30 GMT
or legal. Andradtes ass i get it but i just want a solid answer instead of blind inneundo. There's no way any of that was legal, I agree. maybe ea can sue them and use the funds to support dlc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 5:15:43 GMT
Well MEA wasn't exactly a big hit. I won't be surprised if most DLC was cancelled, if that is indeed the case.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 29, 2017 5:16:14 GMT
Yeah I know that it is what they said but I am just thinking how it could be possible? Still reeeeeally scratching my head about this. Like, say they really did make a single-player DLC all by themselves that BioWare is somehow not allowed to then alter - how is that even possible? BioWare are still responsible for character designs, location designs, audio design, VA recording, etc. even if the 'grunt work' of putting the content together is handled by an outsourced studio. I just can't conceive of any contract that would stop BioWare having full control over content created for THEIR OWN GAME. Creative control, sure. It would make no sense, though, for a contracting studio to be allowed to take Sinclair's work, alter it, and then release it. It muddies the waters of "which part is BioWare's work" and "which parts are SN". It's very probable, and sensible, that you get a contract to do the entire job. Yes, the contracting studio has creative control, and decides if they like what you've done, if it needs more work, etc... They don't go doctoring your work after the fact, though, outside of contract parameters. The SN Fb posts make sense.
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Post by derrame on Jun 29, 2017 5:17:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 5:19:04 GMT
So Anthem did take out Mass Effect after all. Damnit, Anthem, I just do not like you very much right now. It could have been low MEA sales as the primary reason. Just a thought...
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 29, 2017 5:19:21 GMT
I appreciate someone finally posting a screenshot. It puts some of the SN quotes into better context. Still, this should've been added to the existing thread. I guess that thread didn't have a suitably "doom and gloom" title.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 5:25:05 GMT
I appreciate someone finally posting a screenshot. It puts some of the SN quotes into better context. Still, this should've been added to the existing thread. I guess that thread didn't have a suitably "doom and gloom" title. Don't be so negative. The OP was probably just trying to help out.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 29, 2017 5:30:31 GMT
It sounds like they had an axe to grind for being kicked out, considering they deleted their comments. Of course the OP was helpful to proved context.
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Post by malgus on Jun 29, 2017 5:32:22 GMT
Still reeeeeally scratching my head about this. Like, say they really did make a single-player DLC all by themselves that BioWare is somehow not allowed to then alter - how is that even possible? BioWare are still responsible for character designs, location designs, audio design, VA recording, etc. even if the 'grunt work' of putting the content together is handled by an outsourced studio. I just can't conceive of any contract that would stop BioWare having full control over content created for THEIR OWN GAME. Creative control, sure. It would make no sense, though, for a contracting studio to be allowed to take Sinclair's work, alter it, and then release it. It muddies the waters of "which part is BioWare's work" and "which parts are SN". It's very probable, and sensible, that you get a contract to do the entire job. Yes, the contracting studio has creative control, and decides if they like what you've done, if it needs more work, etc... They don't go doctoring your work after the fact, though, outside of contract parameters. The SN Fb posts make sense. But who cares about "muddy the water", its about who is paying. Producers of movies have been altering film behind the directors back for more than a century, and they have all the right to do it because its their money, and yeah they are many movies where we don't know which part was the director will and which was not, it still happen. If apparently Sinclair networks would be this complicated and says they refuse the studios hiring them to alter the content they make, why would studios bother with them? They could easily go to an other studio that will be more docile, they are the one paying so it would be stupid if they didn't have the rights to do what they want for the content they pay.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 29, 2017 5:34:51 GMT
I appreciate someone finally posting a screenshot. It puts some of the SN quotes into better context. Still, this should've been added to the existing thread. I guess that thread didn't have a suitably "doom and gloom" title. Don't be so negative. The OP was probably just trying to help out. Just trying to be helpful!
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Post by colfoley on Jun 29, 2017 5:34:59 GMT
Still reeeeeally scratching my head about this. Like, say they really did make a single-player DLC all by themselves that BioWare is somehow not allowed to then alter - how is that even possible? BioWare are still responsible for character designs, location designs, audio design, VA recording, etc. even if the 'grunt work' of putting the content together is handled by an outsourced studio. I just can't conceive of any contract that would stop BioWare having full control over content created for THEIR OWN GAME. Creative control, sure. It would make no sense, though, for a contracting studio to be allowed to take Sinclair's work, alter it, and then release it. It muddies the waters of "which part is BioWare's work" and "which parts are SN". It's very probable, and sensible, that you get a contract to do the entire job. Yes, the contracting studio has creative control, and decides if they like what you've done, if it needs more work, etc... They don't go doctoring your work after the fact, though, outside of contract parameters. The SN Fb posts make sense. only thing is in this case the contract would stipulate what is SNs responsibility and what is biowares and who gets credit for what. And you can't tell me that bioware basically signed over ALL their rights.
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Creative control, sure. It would make no sense, though, for a contracting studio to be allowed to take Sinclair's work, alter it, and then release it. It muddies the waters of "which part is BioWare's work" and "which parts are SN". It's very probable, and sensible, that you get a contract to do the entire job. Yes, the contracting studio has creative control, and decides if they like what you've done, if it needs more work, etc... They don't go doctoring your work after the fact, though, outside of contract parameters. The SN Fb posts make sense. only thing is in this case the contract would stipulate what is SNs responsibility and what is biowares and who gets credit for what. And you can't tell me that bioware basically signed over ALL their rights. SN really did act like they were the ones who would save the day.
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Post by warlorejohn on Jun 29, 2017 5:40:46 GMT
Not happy I'll be long dead before another mass effect comes out only have maybe a year tops and I was looking forward to the dlc 😥
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Post by Sondergaard on Jun 29, 2017 5:40:53 GMT
Uhhh... Sinclair Networks "Found it from the Express article. Thanks. As far as our team are involved the content we created is not gone. Whether or not Montreal will continue or keep making internal changes we are not sure. All we know is our content contract for Mass Effect was closed leaving only APEX and patches in the works and a new one for Anthem created. Currently the Montreal team are not big enough to support creating new content on a large scale unless the decide to use elements they cut from the game before release." Predicted that was what happened with the Jaal romance and patch additions. Feels good man. Well, that's pretty fucking dickish. I'm no fan of ME:A and couldn't even finish the bloody thing it was that dull but I'm hardly happy DLC are cancelled, both for what it may mean for the series and for those who did love it (though I'll never understand them).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 5:42:50 GMT
Patrick Sinclair posted the same thing in a closed Mass Effect Andromeda community sight: "Mass Effect Andromeda story expansions have officially been cancelled and all is going out into the new release "Anthem". The only content that will come to MEA will be the recurring Apex missions." So, if the owner of the company is acknowledging it... Is that msg still there?
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Post by kino on Jun 29, 2017 5:45:14 GMT
Sad news, peeps, if true...still waiting for word from BioWare/EA: "This news saddens us to say, but it was made official after a meeting this week that there will be no story DLC for Mass Effect Andromeda. Due to issues in initial production, heavy critique, significant delays in other projects it was decided to shelve the franchise for the time being and all resources and outsourcing are being focused to the 2018 release of Anthem. For the moment the Mass Effect series will be on ice until BioWare can decide which direction the franchise will go. The only content that will be produced will be the recurring APEX missions as well as patches as and when needed" Again, just Sinclair's statement at the moment but it doesn't look good I can't find their statement. Was it deleted? Also, Sinclair making that post prior to an official PR statement from EA surely implies a breach of contract. EA loves their NDA's. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Especially if SN deleted the original post. No publisher in their right mind would want to work with a contractor who pulls that shit.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 29, 2017 5:45:32 GMT
Creative control, sure. It would make no sense, though, for a contracting studio to be allowed to take Sinclair's work, alter it, and then release it. It muddies the waters of "which part is BioWare's work" and "which parts are SN". It's very probable, and sensible, that you get a contract to do the entire job. Yes, the contracting studio has creative control, and decides if they like what you've done, if it needs more work, etc... They don't go doctoring your work after the fact, though, outside of contract parameters. The SN Fb posts make sense. But who cares about "muddy the water", its about who is paying. Producers of movies have been altering film behind the directors back for more than a century, and they have all the right to do it because its their money, and yeah they are many movies where we don't know which part was the director will and which was not, it still happen. If apparently Sinclair networks would be this complicated and says they refuse the studios hiring them to alter the content they make, why would studios bother with them? They could easily go to an other studio that will be more docile, they are the one paying so it would be stupid if they didn't have the rights to do what they want for the content they pay. Apples and oranges. I can't claim to understand how these co tracts generally work, and I suspect you're in the same boat. I'm not saying that it works one way or the other. I just don't see any sketchy contraditions in the SN Fb posts. They all feel legit, to me, based upon my past experiences (with persons in general, in professional life, with this game, etc...). Creative control, sure. It would make no sense, though, for a contracting studio to be allowed to take Sinclair's work, alter it, and then release it. It muddies the waters of "which part is BioWare's work" and "which parts are SN". It's very probable, and sensible, that you get a contract to do the entire job. Yes, the contracting studio has creative control, and decides if they like what you've done, if it needs more work, etc... They don't go doctoring your work after the fact, though, outside of contract parameters. The SN Fb posts make sense. only thing is in this case the contract would stipulate what is SNs responsibility and what is biowares and who gets credit for what. And you can't tell me that bioware basically signed over ALL their rights. Of course not. They'd still accept or decline anything submitted. They'd tell SN what they wanted, possibly with much groundwork already laid. Then, SN would do their part. The contract is completed when BioWare accepts the finished product (or as in this case, terminates the project).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 5:46:30 GMT
Sad news, peeps, if true...still waiting for word from BioWare/EA: "This news saddens us to say, but it was made official after a meeting this week that there will be no story DLC for Mass Effect Andromeda. Due to issues in initial production, heavy critique, significant delays in other projects it was decided to shelve the franchise for the time being and all resources and outsourcing are being focused to the 2018 release of Anthem. For the moment the Mass Effect series will be on ice until BioWare can decide which direction the franchise will go. The only content that will be produced will be the recurring APEX missions as well as patches as and when needed" Again, just Sinclair's statement at the moment but it doesn't look good I can't find their statement. Was it deleted? Also, Sinclair making that post prior to an official PR statement from EA surely implies a breach of contract. EA loves their NDA's. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Especially if SN deleted the original post. No publisher in their right mind would want to work with a contractor who pulls that shit. They deleted it when called on their bs. They backtracked a lot, claimed they were off MEA, but BW could still make the DLC, how they helped them with recent patches and how BW will never tell us it's over.
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Post by samhain444 on Jun 29, 2017 5:46:58 GMT
Patrick Sinclair posted the same thing in a closed Mass Effect Andromeda community sight: "Mass Effect Andromeda story expansions have officially been cancelled and all is going out into the new release "Anthem". The only content that will come to MEA will be the recurring Apex missions." So, if the owner of the company is acknowledging it... Is that msg still there? Yep...at least the person that forwarded me the quote says it is. It's on a closed Facebook Mass Effect Andromeda fan-page so you need to part of the closed group to see it
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Yep...at least the person that forwarded me the quote says it is. It's on a closed Facebook Mass Effect Andromeda fan-page so you need to part of the closed group to see it Really sounds to me like BW axed them, and this was payback with half truths.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 29, 2017 5:53:45 GMT
Sad news, peeps, if true...still waiting for word from BioWare/EA: "This news saddens us to say, but it was made official after a meeting this week that there will be no story DLC for Mass Effect Andromeda. Due to issues in initial production, heavy critique, significant delays in other projects it was decided to shelve the franchise for the time being and all resources and outsourcing are being focused to the 2018 release of Anthem. For the moment the Mass Effect series will be on ice until BioWare can decide which direction the franchise will go. The only content that will be produced will be the recurring APEX missions as well as patches as and when needed" Again, just Sinclair's statement at the moment but it doesn't look good I can't find their statement. Was it deleted? Also, Sinclair making that post prior to an official PR statement from EA surely implies a breach of contract. EA loves their NDA's. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Especially if SN deleted the original post. No publisher in their right mind would want to work with a contractor who pulls that shit. Saved it for you - it's in the "cancelled" thread.
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Post by kino on Jun 29, 2017 5:54:51 GMT
I can't find their statement. Was it deleted? Also, Sinclair making that post prior to an official PR statement from EA surely implies a breach of contract. EA loves their NDA's. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Especially if SN deleted the original post. No publisher in their right mind would want to work with a contractor who pulls that shit. They deleted it when called on their bs. They backtracked a lot, claimed they were off MEA, but BW could still make the DLC, how they helped them with recent patches and how BW will never tell us it's over. Ah. That sounds like bitter grapes...wait, is that a thing? Bitter onions? Ah, fuck it, it's bitter something. Honestly, if SN really did pull that they've just shot themselves with a really big gun in the proverbial foot. True or not, no publisher is going to want to do business with a company who does something like that without prior authorization from the publisher or developer.
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They deleted it when called on their bs. They backtracked a lot, claimed they were off MEA, but BW could still make the DLC, how they helped them with recent patches and how BW will never tell us it's over. Ah. That sounds like bitter grapes...wait, is that a thing? Bitter onions? Ah, fuck it, it's bitter something. Honestly, if SN really did pull that they've just shot themselves with a really big gun in the proverbial foot. True or not, no publisher is going to want to do business with a company who does something like that without prior authorization from the publisher or developer. Worst part is, they say they were moved over to work on Anthem. Not looking good after pulling that stunt.
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Post by kino on Jun 29, 2017 5:59:44 GMT
Ah. That sounds like bitter grapes...wait, is that a thing? Bitter onions? Ah, fuck it, it's bitter something. Honestly, if SN really did pull that they've just shot themselves with a really big gun in the proverbial foot. True or not, no publisher is going to want to do business with a company who does something like that without prior authorization from the publisher or developer. Worst part is, they say they were moved over to work on Anthem. Not looking good after pulling that stunt. hah! No fucking way is EA going to let them be involved with Anthem if they posted what's being said they posted. SN may have traction with RDR2 but I seriously doubt that EA would let SN anywhere near one of their IP's again after this. Like I said, EA loves their NDA's.
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