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Post by deadlydwarf on Sept 22, 2016 17:48:30 GMT
Gaspard also knew about Celene and Briala's love affair, so the whole thing with the civil war and alienage purging was a mess. That's why I hated having to choose who's going to rule Orlais in WEWH. I almost didn't recruit Michel as an Inquisition agent as well, but despite all the bad stuff that happened, he's useful to mentor the soldiers if you go with Cullen's suggestion in a war table mission. Actually, that brings up an interesting point. Gaspard really didn't know about Celene and Briala's relationship until after he actually captured Briala. Up to then, he assumed she was simply Celene's main bard and a confidante. One way or another, he knows. Yet in WEWH, it's treated as something that's largely secret or an unverified rumor. So has Gaspard simply been sitting on this information rather than use it to pry political support away from Celene? That would make Gaspard a bit more decent than one would assume. As to Michel, I used him for his for his knowledge of the eluvians, though I suppose Briala could do the same if you side with her one way or another.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 22, 2016 18:30:53 GMT
Gaspard also knew about Celene and Briala's love affair, so the whole thing with the civil war and alienage purging was a mess. That's why I hated having to choose who's going to rule Orlais in WEWH. I almost didn't recruit Michel as an Inquisition agent as well, but despite all the bad stuff that happened, he's useful to mentor the soldiers if you go with Cullen's suggestion in a war table mission. Actually, that brings up an interesting point. Gaspard really didn't know about Celene and Briala's relationship until after he actually captured Briala. Up to then, he assumed she was simply Celene's main bard and a confidante. One way or another, he knows. Yet in WEWH, it's treated as something that's largely secret or an unverified rumor. So has Gaspard simply been sitting on this information rather than use it to pry political support away from Celene? That would make Gaspard a bit more decent than one would assume. As to Michel, I used him for his for his knowledge of the eluvians, though I suppose Briala could do the same if you side with her one way or another. Not surprising that's completely forgotten considering Inquisition acts like the cure for tranquility is just a rumor that isn't shared despite Asunder openly saying knowledge of the cure was spread to all the circles and thus all circle mages know about it. I swear it's like they try to both remember and ignore the stuff that happens in the books
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Post by deadlydwarf on Sept 22, 2016 18:36:25 GMT
Actually, that brings up an interesting point. Gaspard really didn't know about Celene and Briala's relationship until after he actually captured Briala. Up to then, he assumed she was simply Celene's main bard and a confidante. One way or another, he knows. Yet in WEWH, it's treated as something that's largely secret or an unverified rumor. So has Gaspard simply been sitting on this information rather than use it to pry political support away from Celene? That would make Gaspard a bit more decent than one would assume. As to Michel, I used him for his for his knowledge of the eluvians, though I suppose Briala could do the same if you side with her one way or another. Not surprising that's completely forgotten considering Inquisition acts like the cure for tranquility is just a rumor that isn't shared despite Asunder openly saying knowledge of the cure was spread to all the circles and thus all circle mages know about it. I swear it's like they try to both remember and ignore the stuff that happens in the books What can you say....every game is a masterpiece created by committee. The writers and programmers aren't always 100% in synch. I suppose we should marvel that the end result ends up being as good as it is.
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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2016 14:28:16 GMT
It has been stated that the Books aren't cannon. Some DA world states can mimic the Books heavily and essentially match by happenstance. But if the Books conflict with your world state than your world state is the truth.
With that in mind, it is a bit hard to imagine how else Imshael would have been released and Briala in hold of the Eluvian key without the events of ME to explain them. At least in Origins, a world with Alistair dead or a Warden has in game narrative and dialogue support.
I guess what I'm saying is that DAI Gaspard may never have had the conversation with Briala that led to his knowing that she and Celene were lovers. Bridal got her Eluvian key "somehow" and... well, Celene and Michel must have had their encounter with Imshael, but maybe the outcome was different or didn't involve Briala.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Sept 23, 2016 16:02:28 GMT
It has been stated that the Books aren't cannon. Some DA world states can mimic the Books heavily and essentially match by happenstance. But if the Books conflict with your world state than your world state is the truth. With that in mind, it is a bit hard to imagine how else Imshael would have been released and Briala in hold of the Eluvian key without the events of ME to explain them. At least in Origins, a world with Alistair dead or a Warden has in game narrative and dialogue support. I guess what I'm saying is that DAI Gaspard may never have had the conversation with Briala that led to his knowing that she and Celene were lovers. Bridal got her Eluvian key "somehow" and... well, Celene and Michel must have had their encounter with Imshael, but maybe the outcome was different or didn't involve Briala. Of course, if the DA books and comic books aren't cannon, what's the point of reading them? My take is that once the DAI team decided to focus the game on Cory and Red Lyrium, the mage-Templar war of Asunder and the Orlesian Civil War of ME all got radically simplified. The broad outline of what occurs in the books is incorporated into the game; the nitty gritty details they let slide -- to the annoyance of those who liked the books.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 17:31:14 GMT
I didn't read the books, but I did see Dawn of the Seeker and Warden's fall...I think they should make more animated movies, Warden's Fall looked really good and if they were done with DAI animation they'd be awesome.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Sept 23, 2016 17:42:17 GMT
I didn't read the books, but I did see Dawn of the Seeker and Warden's fall...I think they should make more animated movies, Warden's Fall looked really good and if they were done with DAI animation they'd be awesome. It's a pity Cassandra didn't look a bit more like her depiction in "Dawn of the Seeker" in DAI. Yes, I know some years passed between what happened in the movie and DAI, but she shouldn't have changed that dramatically. I've not seen Warden's Fall yet. How was that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 17:53:58 GMT
I didn't read the books, but I did see Dawn of the Seeker and Warden's fall...I think they should make more animated movies, Warden's Fall looked really good and if they were done with DAI animation they'd be awesome. It's a pity Cassandra didn't look a bit more like her depiction in "Dawn of the Seeker" in DAI. Yes, I know some years passed between what happened in the movie and DAI, but she shouldn't have changed that dramatically. I've not seen Warden's Fall yet. How was that? I liked it. You got to see Kristoff and what happened before he died in Awakenings. I know the CGI was DAO quality but it looked really good. I actually like the DAO CGI I'm just not fond of the slow controls in that game.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 23, 2016 18:43:55 GMT
It's a pity Cassandra didn't look a bit more like her depiction in "Dawn of the Seeker" in DAI. Yes, I know some years passed between what happened in the movie and DAI, but she shouldn't have changed that dramatically. I've not seen Warden's Fall yet. How was that? I liked it. You got to see Kristoff and what happened before he died in Awakenings. I know the CGI was DAO quality but it looked really good. I actually like the DAO CGI I'm just not fond of the slow controls in that game. Not to ruin your fun but wardens fall was made by a modder as an unofficial fan film. Bioware liked it enough to declare it canon. So no, Bioware didn't really work on wardens fall
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Post by Iakus on Sept 23, 2016 18:59:22 GMT
It has been stated that the Books aren't cannon. Some DA world states can mimic the Books heavily and essentially match by happenstance. But if the Books conflict with your world state than your world state is the truth. With that in mind, it is a bit hard to imagine how else Imshael would have been released and Briala in hold of the Eluvian key without the events of ME to explain them. At least in Origins, a world with Alistair dead or a Warden has in game narrative and dialogue support. I guess what I'm saying is that DAI Gaspard may never have had the conversation with Briala that led to his knowing that she and Celene were lovers. Bridal got her Eluvian key "somehow" and... well, Celene and Michel must have had their encounter with Imshael, but maybe the outcome was different or didn't involve Briala. The books are canon in world-states that could allow for them. Thus Asunder would be canon in a game where Wynne survived and Shale was recruited. The Silent Grove is canon if Alistair survived and became king. And so on. Otherwise, events might have unfolded differently (TSG might have still happened if Alistair was a Warden. Or a drunk. Probably not if dead). No doubt Asunder would have turned out quite differently if Wynne had died at the hands of the Warden. Hmmm, has anyone talked to Cole with a dead Wynne?
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Sept 23, 2016 20:51:55 GMT
It has been stated that the Books aren't cannon. Some DA world states can mimic the Books heavily and essentially match by happenstance. But if the Books conflict with your world state than your world state is the truth. With that in mind, it is a bit hard to imagine how else Imshael would have been released and Briala in hold of the Eluvian key without the events of ME to explain them. At least in Origins, a world with Alistair dead or a Warden has in game narrative and dialogue support. I guess what I'm saying is that DAI Gaspard may never have had the conversation with Briala that led to his knowing that she and Celene were lovers. Bridal got her Eluvian key "somehow" and... well, Celene and Michel must have had their encounter with Imshael, but maybe the outcome was different or didn't involve Briala. The books are canon in world-states that could allow for them. Thus Asunder would be canon in a game where Wynne survived and Shale was recruited. The Silent Grove is canon if Alistair survived and became king. And so on. Otherwise, events might have unfolded differently (TSG might have still happened if Alistair was a Warden. Or a drunk. Probably not if dead). No doubt Asunder would have turned out quite differently if Wynne had died at the hands of the Warden. Hmmm, has anyone talked to Cole with a dead Wynne? Apparently he still mentions Rhys mom saving Evangeline so they didn't give a crap about stuff like this despite Alistair confirming TSG happened if he's a warden
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 21:00:53 GMT
I liked it. You got to see Kristoff and what happened before he died in Awakenings. I know the CGI was DAO quality but it looked really good. I actually like the DAO CGI I'm just not fond of the slow controls in that game. Not to ruin your fun but wardens fall was made by a modder as an unofficial fan film. Bioware liked it enough to declare it canon. So no, Bioware didn't really work on wardens fall Ok. Whatever, it was a good film, I don't see how it was made makes it ruin my fun. It deserved the recognition. More films like that need to be made though, I like the background aspect of it all.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Sept 23, 2016 21:07:33 GMT
It has been stated that the Books aren't cannon. Some DA world states can mimic the Books heavily and essentially match by happenstance. But if the Books conflict with your world state than your world state is the truth. With that in mind, it is a bit hard to imagine how else Imshael would have been released and Briala in hold of the Eluvian key without the events of ME to explain them. At least in Origins, a world with Alistair dead or a Warden has in game narrative and dialogue support. I guess what I'm saying is that DAI Gaspard may never have had the conversation with Briala that led to his knowing that she and Celene were lovers. Bridal got her Eluvian key "somehow" and... well, Celene and Michel must have had their encounter with Imshael, but maybe the outcome was different or didn't involve Briala. The books are canon in world-states that could allow for them. Thus Asunder would be canon in a game where Wynne survived and Shale was recruited. The Silent Grove is canon if Alistair survived and became king. And so on. Otherwise, events might have unfolded differently (TSG might have still happened if Alistair was a Warden. Or a drunk. Probably not if dead). No doubt Asunder would have turned out quite differently if Wynne had died at the hands of the Warden. Hmmm, has anyone talked to Cole with a dead Wynne? Very good point; I had forgotten that every companion is killable in Origins. Although Leliana, at least, can rise from the dead if necessary! Now in the case of ME, that book can possibly be canon since none of the characters in it appeared in Origins or DA2 -- except for Bann Teagan and there is no option to kill him.
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Post by melbella on Sept 24, 2016 1:09:17 GMT
I didn't read the books, but I did see Dawn of the Seeker and Warden's fall...I think they should make more animated movies, Warden's Fall looked really good and if they were done with DAI animation they'd be awesome. It's a pity Cassandra didn't look a bit more like her depiction in "Dawn of the Seeker" in DAI. Yes, I know some years passed between what happened in the movie and DAI, but she shouldn't have changed that dramatically. I've not seen Warden's Fall yet. How was that?
Some? More like about 20 yrs. People change A LOT in 20 yrs.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 24, 2016 1:14:25 GMT
It's a pity Cassandra didn't look a bit more like her depiction in "Dawn of the Seeker" in DAI. Yes, I know some years passed between what happened in the movie and DAI, but she shouldn't have changed that dramatically. I've not seen Warden's Fall yet. How was that?
Some? More like about 20 yrs. People change A LOT in 20 yrs.
Especially since she was a teenager in Dawn of the Seeker
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