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Post by RageUnderFire on Sept 16, 2016 4:34:18 GMT
ME is a character driven franchise. The better the personalities, the better the game.
What kind of personalities are you looking for in our sidekicks?
Feel free to reference personalities from the trilogy
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Post by RageUnderFire on Sept 16, 2016 4:40:15 GMT
Wrex - the alpha male with a sense of humor
Zaeed - Sir IDGAF
Jimmy Vega - the good friend masculine dude that every man has in his life
Javik - so bitter that it's comic relief
Miranda - the tough girl that's secretly insecure and needy. The daddy issues make her good fun. She falls deeper in love than any other female
Grunt - he's enthusiastic about every and anything
Kasumi/Samara/Thane - because every team needs one weirdo
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Post by DarthCompetent on Sept 16, 2016 6:08:57 GMT
Would love a female Zaeed. Would've been perfect if she was an Asari...
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Sept 16, 2016 7:16:14 GMT
Would love a female Zaeed. Would've been perfect if she was an Asari... This. I would really like to see Aria-like kind of character.
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Post by nanotm on Sept 16, 2016 14:25:57 GMT
where ME1>3 were predominantly older middle aged leader based I'm hoping that ME:A will be predominantly based on teen/early twenties youthful exuberance and quirks, so a complete change of interactive personalities will suit well
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Post by Hunter on Sept 16, 2016 16:13:25 GMT
where ME1>3 were predominantly older middle aged leader based I'm hoping that ME:A will be predominantly based on teen/early twenties youthful exuberance and quirks, so a complete change of interactive personalities will suit well This is essential in making MEA stand on it's own and not just a rehash of the previous three games. I'd really like to see more crew interaction and conflict. With the younger more volatile personalities this should be pretty easy.
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Post by Beerfish on Sept 16, 2016 17:10:10 GMT
A volus with a death wish A krogan who is a chicken A bad ass Quarian A Deep thinking literature loving batarian A Turian that really is a drunk A Salarian that likes heavy weapons. An Asari that looks like the hamburglar and runs like Charley Chaplain.
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Post by nanotm on Sept 16, 2016 18:58:40 GMT
where ME1>3 were predominantly older middle aged leader based I'm hoping that ME:A will be predominantly based on teen/early twenties youthful exuberance and quirks, so a complete change of interactive personalities will suit well This is essential in making MEA stand on it's own and not just a rehash of the previous three games. I'd really like to see more crew interaction and conflict. With the younger more volatile personalities this should be pretty easy. exactly its a being billed as a new IP set in the same universe, I'll buy it and play it regardless but if there going with "new" as the theme then younger riskier and less well rounded charcters would be a good step away from the trilogy, if they use similar types of people with similar mind-sets (like all the council races talking about how humanity knows nothing, and a bunch of old stuffed shirt councillors making bone political decisions) then its going to be same old same old and will just be a rehash of ME1 with a new set of collective rulers to kowtow to and try not to get your race wiped out .... been there done that, lets hope this has more than just snappier graphics in a new setting and actually is a completely new game
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Post by RoboticWater on Sept 16, 2016 19:36:32 GMT
where ME1>3 were predominantly older middle aged leader based I'm hoping that ME:A will be predominantly based on teen/early twenties youthful exuberance and quirks, so a complete change of interactive personalities will suit well This is essential in making MEA stand on it's own and not just a rehash of the previous three games. I'd really like to see more crew interaction and conflict. With the younger more volatile personalities this should be pretty easy. I would think that an older crew would be less of a rehash considering how frequently the characters in the original series (and BioWare games in general) tended towards melodrama nearing highschool sophistication. BioWare as entity has been gradually approaching the center of the over-the-top black hole that is Anime. If we're ever going to handle serious issues like colonization and the prime directive, I would hope that the individuals participating in those issues aren't a bunch of hormonal teens or moralizing college grads. I hope against reason that we get a collection of characters that conflict with each other not because they're volatile youths, but because they hold incompatible moral standpoints. There's no reason to artificially inflate good conflict with cheap drama if the crux of the matter is genuinely interesting.
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Post by wright1978 on Sept 16, 2016 21:10:38 GMT
Krogan: a grunt meets mordin, eccentric, explosive, violent. Human female: any mix of Viconia from BG2, Miranda mE2, kasumi me2 Asari; Shiala, tough competent commando, scarred by some terrible ordeal temporarily into making silly faces and using a paint roller on her face.
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Post by DarthCompetent on Sept 16, 2016 22:37:08 GMT
A volus with a death wish A krogan who is a chicken A bad ass Quarian A Deep thinking literature loving batarian A Turian that really is a drunk A Salarian that likes heavy weapons. An Asari that looks like the hamburglar and runs like Charley Chaplain. Well... I mean, you got your wish with the last one at least lmao
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Post by Sweet FA on Sept 16, 2016 22:50:15 GMT
This is essential in making MEA stand on it's own and not just a rehash of the previous three games. I'd really like to see more crew interaction and conflict. With the younger more volatile personalities this should be pretty easy. I would think that an older crew would be less of a rehash considering how frequently the characters in the original series (and BioWare games in general) tended towards melodrama nearing highschool sophistication. BioWare as entity has been gradually approaching the center of the over-the-top black hole that is Anime. If we're ever going to handle serious issues like colonization and the prime directive, I would hope that the individuals participating in those issues aren't a bunch of hormonal teens or moralizing college grads. I hope against reason that we get a collection of characters that conflict with each other not because they're volatile youths, but because they hold incompatible moral standpoints. There's no reason to artificially inflate good conflict with cheap drama if the crux of the matter is genuinely interesting. Ideally in a perfect universe I would like to see a more age diverse group, a broader range. The only older "substantial" squad members were aliens whose appearance never revealed their age krogan/asari. The only older squad member - Zaeed fell into the angry/crotchety/grumpy old man trap. I'd like characters that aren't cliches, you know the usual suspects: rebellious youth, quirky little girl, muscle bound moron etc. How about a kick ass granny similar to Kreia from KOTOR 2 (one of the best sci-fi game characters ever written) and some well adjusted emotionally stable non-traumatized/angst-ridden younger people. Maybe even a female Krogan warrior. So please, no soap opera cliches.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Sept 16, 2016 22:56:29 GMT
I would think that an older crew would be less of a rehash considering how frequently the characters in the original series (and BioWare games in general) tended towards melodrama nearing highschool sophistication. BioWare as entity has been gradually approaching the center of the over-the-top black hole that is Anime. If we're ever going to handle serious issues like colonization and the prime directive, I would hope that the individuals participating in those issues aren't a bunch of hormonal teens or moralizing college grads. I hope against reason that we get a collection of characters that conflict with each other not because they're volatile youths, but because they hold incompatible moral standpoints. There's no reason to artificially inflate good conflict with cheap drama if the crux of the matter is genuinely interesting. Ideally in a perfect universe I would like to see a more age diverse group, a broader range. The only older "substantial" squad members were aliens whose appearance never revealed their age krogan/asari. The only older squad member - Zaeed fell into the angry/crotchety/grumpy old man trap. I'd like characters that aren't cliches, you know the usual suspects: rebellious youth, quirky little girl, muscle bound moron etc. How about a kick ass granny similar to Kreia from KOTOR 2 (one of the best sci-fi game characters ever written) and some well adjusted emotionally stable non-traumatized/angst-ridden younger people. Maybe even a female Krogan warrior. So please, no soap opera cliches. Do you really want an old man or woman who tries to fit in with the young crowd to be hip
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Post by RoboticWater on Sept 16, 2016 23:27:23 GMT
I would think that an older crew would be less of a rehash considering how frequently the characters in the original series (and BioWare games in general) tended towards melodrama nearing highschool sophistication. BioWare as entity has been gradually approaching the center of the over-the-top black hole that is Anime. If we're ever going to handle serious issues like colonization and the prime directive, I would hope that the individuals participating in those issues aren't a bunch of hormonal teens or moralizing college grads. I hope against reason that we get a collection of characters that conflict with each other not because they're volatile youths, but because they hold incompatible moral standpoints. There's no reason to artificially inflate good conflict with cheap drama if the crux of the matter is genuinely interesting. Ideally in a perfect universe I would like to see a more age diverse group, a broader range. The only older "substantial" squad members were aliens whose appearance never revealed their age krogan/asari. The only older squad member - Zaeed fell into the angry/crotchety/grumpy old man trap. I'd like characters that aren't cliches, you know the usual suspects: rebellious youth, quirky little girl, muscle bound moron etc. How about a kick ass granny similar to Kreia from KOTOR 2 (one of the best sci-fi game characters ever written) and some well adjusted emotionally stable non-traumatized/angst-ridden younger people. Maybe even a female Krogan warrior. So please, no soap opera cliches. I agree, though I'm not so harsh against cliches. I think Zaeed worked as a character. He's not a shining example of character depth certainly, but I think that augments his revenge story to a degree; he's so singularly devoted to revenge that he has practically nothing else going on. If I wasn't so dubious of BioWare's writing ability, I might even say that he's a deconstruction of the perennial badass: he has such vibrant stories and a long history, but rings hollow inside this character that has no deeper (and indeed, nobler) ambitions. I'd be fine with the other tropes as well, so long as there's more going on with the character than face value. Admittedly, BioWare does rely on mainly a handful of predominant archetypes for their character, and I'd want to see them try to change that, but I'd be perfectly willing to take the same chiches if they had at least one interesting character dynamic about them. It worked for KotORII, subverting the puckish rogue and the esoteric mentor, and it worked for all of BioWare's better characters like Mordin and Solas.
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Post by RoboticWater on Sept 16, 2016 23:31:45 GMT
Ideally in a perfect universe I would like to see a more age diverse group, a broader range. The only older "substantial" squad members were aliens whose appearance never revealed their age krogan/asari. The only older squad member - Zaeed fell into the angry/crotchety/grumpy old man trap. I'd like characters that aren't cliches, you know the usual suspects: rebellious youth, quirky little girl, muscle bound moron etc. How about a kick ass granny similar to Kreia from KOTOR 2 (one of the best sci-fi game characters ever written) and some well adjusted emotionally stable non-traumatized/angst-ridden younger people. Maybe even a female Krogan warrior. So please, no soap opera cliches. Do you really want an old man or woman who tries to fit in with the young crowd to be hip You do realize that you can have an old person that is not just crotchety or insecure about their age right? In fact, considering old people are just regular adults with more backstory and less physical ability (though it's not like those traits are guaranteed in a sci-fi game) , I'd think that it would be just as easy to make them not a stereotype.
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Post by Sweet FA on Sept 16, 2016 23:33:46 GMT
You never know we may get a mid life crisis cliche to go with the quirky/cute kid and angry young adults.
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Post by goishen on Sept 17, 2016 0:01:59 GMT
Do you really want an old man or woman who tries to fit in with the young crowd to be hip
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 17, 2016 2:35:36 GMT
Mordin was easily one of my favorite personalities in the trilogy. He was a fun character that provided quite a bit. He was amusingly quirky and fast-talking, and then displayed a fair amount of depth and emotion when the narrative called for it. I'd like to see an asari companion like that.
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Post by Sweet FA on Sept 17, 2016 2:57:39 GMT
Mordin was easily one of my favorite personalities in the trilogy. He was a fun character that provided quite a bit. He was amusingly quirky and fast-talking, and then displayed a fair amount of depth and emotion when the narrative called for it. Ah good old Mordin, the Salarian William Shatner.
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Post by Hunter on Sept 17, 2016 3:20:57 GMT
This is essential in making MEA stand on it's own and not just a rehash of the previous three games. I'd really like to see more crew interaction and conflict. With the younger more volatile personalities this should be pretty easy. I would think that an older crew would be less of a rehash considering how frequently the characters in the original series (and BioWare games in general) tended towards melodrama nearing highschool sophistication. BioWare as entity has been gradually approaching the center of the over-the-top black hole that is Anime. If we're ever going to handle serious issues like colonization and the prime directive, I would hope that the individuals participating in those issues aren't a bunch of hormonal teens or moralizing college grads. I hope against reason that we get a collection of characters that conflict with each other not because they're volatile youths, but because they hold incompatible moral standpoints. There's no reason to artificially inflate good conflict with cheap drama if the crux of the matter is genuinely interesting. That's a good point, broad age differences would definitely make for some interesting character interactions. What I meant by younger is the character's psychological age. In the three previous games all the characters were for the most part hardened veterans. Tali and Liara were by far the least experienced members on the team especially in the first game. That's really what I want to see more of.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Sept 17, 2016 3:54:46 GMT
Do you really want an old man or woman who tries to fit in with the young crowd to be hip You do realize that you can have an old person that is not just crotchety or insecure about their age right? In fact, considering old people are just regular adults with more backstory and less physical ability (though it's not like those traits are guaranteed in a sci-fi game) , I'd think that it would be just as easy to make them not a stereotype. Zaeed being stereotypical enhanced him as a character. He's the cool alpha male Uncle with badAZZ stories.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Sept 17, 2016 3:56:08 GMT
I would think that an older crew would be less of a rehash considering how frequently the characters in the original series (and BioWare games in general) tended towards melodrama nearing highschool sophistication. BioWare as entity has been gradually approaching the center of the over-the-top black hole that is Anime. If we're ever going to handle serious issues like colonization and the prime directive, I would hope that the individuals participating in those issues aren't a bunch of hormonal teens or moralizing college grads. I hope against reason that we get a collection of characters that conflict with each other not because they're volatile youths, but because they hold incompatible moral standpoints. There's no reason to artificially inflate good conflict with cheap drama if the crux of the matter is genuinely interesting. That's a good point, broad age differences would definitely make for some interesting character interactions. What I meant by younger is the character's psychological age. In the three previous games all the characters were for the most part hardened veterans. Tali and Liara were by far the least experienced members on the team especially in the first game. That's really what I want to see more of. Such as Ryder nailing a MILF.
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Post by RoboticWater on Sept 17, 2016 4:13:40 GMT
I would think that an older crew would be less of a rehash considering how frequently the characters in the original series (and BioWare games in general) tended towards melodrama nearing highschool sophistication. BioWare as entity has been gradually approaching the center of the over-the-top black hole that is Anime. If we're ever going to handle serious issues like colonization and the prime directive, I would hope that the individuals participating in those issues aren't a bunch of hormonal teens or moralizing college grads. I hope against reason that we get a collection of characters that conflict with each other not because they're volatile youths, but because they hold incompatible moral standpoints. There's no reason to artificially inflate good conflict with cheap drama if the crux of the matter is genuinely interesting. That's a good point, broad age differences would definitely make for some interesting character interactions. What I meant by younger is the character's psychological age. In the three previous games all the characters were for the most part hardened veterans. Tali and Liara were by far the least experienced members on the team especially in the first game. That's really what I want to see more of. I don't think that's true though. Mass Effect had Kaiden, Ashley, Wrex, Garrus, Tali, and Liara, so 2/5 of our crew are completely inexperienced in combat, and I wouldn't exactly describe Kaiden and Ashley as " hardened veterans," specifically (they're not completely numb to violence). For a military operation, I'd think that was a more than reasonable combat experience distribution. Mass Effect 2 was all over the place in terms of psychological age. In fact, imagining a game with a wider and/or younger distribution doesn't appeal to me at all. I'm one of the few people who will gladly defend Mass Effect 2 against criticisms of "daddy issues" (to a degree), but there is a point where I'm not going to bother any more. BioWare have already dug themselves deeply enough into this whole "teenage drama" mess; going further won't really help them out. Mass Effect 3 had possibly the most hardened crew of all the games, and honestly, I thought the character interactions in it were the best in the series. It was obviously quite sentimental, but the depth of character traits explored was far greater than most of the personal conflicts of its predecessors. Call me crazy, but I'm not particularly exactly excited by the prospect of enduring more than a coupe virginal experiences with combat. I can get behind having a greenhorn on our squad, but I bet it'll just be the same old "newbie" story we've already heard over and over again: eager recruit sees the horrors of combat and either becomes numb, leaves, or overcomes it. While that's not a bad setup, and clearly, the quality of narrative comes down to a number of factors beyond the surface level, it's still a story I've heard over and over.
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Post by RoboticWater on Sept 17, 2016 4:16:39 GMT
You do realize that you can have an old person that is not just crotchety or insecure about their age right? In fact, considering old people are just regular adults with more backstory and less physical ability (though it's not like those traits are guaranteed in a sci-fi game) , I'd think that it would be just as easy to make them not a stereotype. Zaeed being stereotypical enhanced him as a character. He's the cool alpha male Uncle with badAZZ stories. Yes, I know. I said as much earlier in the thread. That doesn't address the fact that Zaeed could have been an old man and not be an obvious old man stereotype.
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Post by Hunter on Sept 17, 2016 4:50:06 GMT
I don't think that's true though. Mass Effect had Kaiden, Ashley, Wrex, Garrus, Tali, and Liara, so 2/5 of our crew are completely inexperienced in combat, and I wouldn't exactly describe Kaiden and Ashley as " hardened veterans," specifically (they're not completely numb to violence). For a military operation, I'd think that was a more than reasonable combat experience distribution. Both Kaiden and Ashley had been through some serious shit before ME1. Kaiden was a student at Jump Zero and killed his teacher. In his Dossier it specifically mentions his " long service history" and all the special commendations he won in the Alliance Navy. May not make him a grizzled vet but he is much more experienced then I think you're given him credit for. Ashley is not as experienced as Kaiden but she's been in the Alliance Navy for 7 years by the start of ME1. Given her family's history she more than likely took a lot of shit that toughened her up a bit more than it would be otherwise. Mass Effect 2 was all over the place in terms of psychological age. In fact, imagining a game with a wider and/or younger distribution doesn't appeal to me at all. I'm one of the few people who will gladly defend Mass Effect 2 against criticisms of "daddy issues" (to a degree), but there is a point where I'm not going to bother any more. BioWare have already dug themselves deeply enough into this whole "teenage drama" mess; going further won't really help them out. But again all the characters were "badasses". The youngest character, Gunt, was bred to be a Krogan super-soldier and they're already pretty super-soldier'esq to begin with haha. Mass Effect 3 had possibly the most hardened crew of all the games, and honestly, I thought the character interactions in it were the best in the series. It was obviously quite sentimental, but the depth of character traits explored was far greater than most of the personal conflicts of its predecessors. ME3 had the best isolated crew interactions because it was really the only Mass Effect game to try and do so. We saw nothing like Garrus and Vega's banter in the other 2 games. The Citadel DLC showed us just how awesome the banter could have been in ME2 if they had included it. Call me crazy, but I'm not particularly exactly excited by the prospect of enduring more than a coupe virginal experiences with combat. I can get behind having a greenhorn on our squad, but I bet it'll just be the same old "newbie" story we've already heard over and over again: eager recruit sees the horrors of combat and either becomes numb, leaves, or overcomes it. While that's not a bad setup, and clearly, the quality of narrative comes down to a number of factors beyond the surface level, it's still a story I've heard over and over. I'm not looking for greenhorns either. It's hard for me to put into words exactly what I'm looking for (English is not my first language so it's hard for me sometimes to say exactly what I'm thinking or expecting). The best way I can put it is imagine Shepard before he went into the N7 program. He had all the raw natural talent but it hadn't been developed yet. He was probably cocky and brash and still hadn't been put in his place yet. I'd like to see something similar to that.
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