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Post by SwobyJ on Jul 4, 2017 6:28:51 GMT
Strike Teams - Longer term checkins that may or may not happen APEX - When not using Strike Teams, this is Multiplayer, which I or others may not be doing So its partially a NG+ and/or 'grindy' design. Sad. But technically ME3 was as well with maxing out all gear, though Citadel DLC let us get all that in a second playthrough (Arena credits). I wonder if MEA DLC could do the same for Research Points. Dunno what though. I've also gotten a lot of research points of all types by, well, doing research/scanning. It beeps, I pull out the scanner... and done. Ryder is a "recon specialist" - so RP, scanning is ding recon. there's more to his life than just shooting and talking. I don't find doing any of it "particularly grindy." I actually found the Arena in the Citadel DLC could become grindy if one was just doing it for the credits... since what tended to happen was finding a particular squad and enemy combo that guaranteed a Gold results and repeating that same setup over and over again until enough credits were obtained to buy all the guns up to Level X. Of course, that grindiness could be avoided simply by focusing on getting only the 4 weapons (if you're soldier) you actually prefer up to level X... i.e. should be no need to sample about with different weapons on the second playthrough. I suspect the same holds true for ME:A. I'm also sure that PC players can also, by now, just give themselves a load of points by modding the file. As for DLC, I'm still saying our best move at this point is to join the movement to tell Bioware (in a nice way) that we want DLC and will buy DLC if they decide to me some. If one believes the news reports, there appears currently to be some uncertainty in their minds about going ahead with DLC. Encouraging them by showing that there are numbers of people who would pay for DLC has a chance of causing them to decide in the favor of making a DLC. You can certainly also let them know (again, in a positive way) that you'd like to see some additional method added into the DLC to gain Research Points. bsn.boards.net/thread/11816/choose-dlc-support-movement-hashtag#SavetheQuarians is currently leading the poll. The task currently at hand is convincing Bioware and EA that there is money to be made for them in DLC for this particular game. Okay, my point is COMPLETIONISM. Every item gained, all to max rank. Everything on a map completed. This means every mining area depleted (I in fact did this in ME1 with the Wiki help). Every mission done if possible. So yes the Research points from one (content) 'completionist' SP-only playthrough is pitiful. But not so bad if you indeed just focus on a few things. You'll get your hundreds/thousands of points and carry on. But if you want it all, it takes not just one NG+, but at least multiple. Like the weapon ranks in ME3 without Citadel DLC involved. I already did one playthrough where I scanned nearly everything I could, and I've nearly gotten everything out of MEA MP Bronze (working on Silver, venturing into Gold). I was still very lacking when it came to powerful gear choices in crafting. This is not necessarily terrible, but its clearly by design, to sell the Strike Farmville system and tie the SP closer to the MP without stepping on too many toes in the process. As someone who intends on over 2 playthroughs and kinda likes the idea of an endless NG+ if I so desire though, its not the biggest deal. It just makes a single playthrough of this Bioware game, less 'full' than ever. At least if they release a later DLC or tweak things in a future patch, we could see a softening of this 'grind'. And yes I consider sighing and putting my scanner up everywhere I can to add up to hours to my long playthrough, a grind. |
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Post by clips7 on Jul 4, 2017 7:10:55 GMT
I didn't go out of my way to mine. If i happened to come across a mining zone while traveling during missions, then i'd release a drone. No way would i ever try hitting all of the mining zones.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 8:36:17 GMT
I've also gotten a lot of research points of all types by, well, doing research/scanning. It beeps, I pull out the scanner... and done. Ryder is a "recon specialist" - so RP, scanning is ding recon. there's more to his life than just shooting and talking. I don't find doing any of it "particularly grindy." I actually found the Arena in the Citadel DLC could become grindy if one was just doing it for the credits... since what tended to happen was finding a particular squad and enemy combo that guaranteed a Gold results and repeating that same setup over and over again until enough credits were obtained to buy all the guns up to Level X. Of course, that grindiness could be avoided simply by focusing on getting only the 4 weapons (if you're soldier) you actually prefer up to level X... i.e. should be no need to sample about with different weapons on the second playthrough. I suspect the same holds true for ME:A. I'm also sure that PC players can also, by now, just give themselves a load of points by modding the file. As for DLC, I'm still saying our best move at this point is to join the movement to tell Bioware (in a nice way) that we want DLC and will buy DLC if they decide to me some. If one believes the news reports, there appears currently to be some uncertainty in their minds about going ahead with DLC. Encouraging them by showing that there are numbers of people who would pay for DLC has a chance of causing them to decide in the favor of making a DLC. You can certainly also let them know (again, in a positive way) that you'd like to see some additional method added into the DLC to gain Research Points. bsn.boards.net/thread/11816/choose-dlc-support-movement-hashtag#SavetheQuarians is currently leading the poll. The task currently at hand is convincing Bioware and EA that there is money to be made for them in DLC for this particular game. Okay, my point is COMPLETIONISM. Every item gained, all to max rank. Everything on a map completed. This means every mining area depleted (I in fact did this in ME1 with the Wiki help). Every mission done if possible. So yes the Research points from one (content) 'completionist' SP-only playthrough is pitiful. But not so bad if you indeed just focus on a few things. You'll get your hundreds/thousands of points and carry on. But if you want it all, it takes not just one NG+, but at least multiple. Like the weapon ranks in ME3 without Citadel DLC involved. I already did one playthrough where I scanned nearly everything I could, and I've nearly gotten everything out of MEA MP Bronze (working on Silver, venturing into Gold). I was still very lacking when it came to powerful gear choices in crafting. This is not necessarily terrible, but its clearly by design, to sell the Strike Farmville system and tie the SP closer to the MP without stepping on too many toes in the process. As someone who intends on over 2 playthroughs and kinda likes the idea of an endless NG+ if I so desire though, its not the biggest deal. It just makes a single playthrough of this Bioware game, less 'full' than ever. At least if they release a later DLC or tweak things in a future patch, we could see a softening of this 'grind'. And yes I consider sighing and putting my scanner up everywhere I can to add up to hours to my long playthrough, a grind. I've honestly never tried to get Level X everything gear in one NG+ playthorugh with the Citadel DLC... but I suspect that would take a lot of grinding in the Arena to get the creds to buy all that gear... I don't think I'll be trying for that, but my hats off to you for doing it. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 5, 2017 17:18:24 GMT
In three playthroughs I have not mined once. I pick up minerals I run into by accident, have my deliveries from the guys I woke up and buy the ones I need if I want to craft something special. Am I missing something? no not erally mining is just another optoin t oget what you need if you want to. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 5, 2017 17:20:33 GMT
Okay, my point is COMPLETIONISM. Every item gained, all to max rank. Everything on a map completed. This means every mining area depleted (I in fact did this in ME1 with the Wiki help). Every mission done if possible. So yes the Research points from one (content) 'completionist' SP-only playthrough is pitiful. But not so bad if you indeed just focus on a few things. You'll get your hundreds/thousands of points and carry on. But if you want it all, it takes not just one NG+, but at least multiple. Like the weapon ranks in ME3 without Citadel DLC involved. I already did one playthrough where I scanned nearly everything I could, and I've nearly gotten everything out of MEA MP Bronze (working on Silver, venturing into Gold). I was still very lacking when it came to powerful gear choices in crafting. This is not necessarily terrible, but its clearly by design, to sell the Strike Farmville system and tie the SP closer to the MP without stepping on too many toes in the process. As someone who intends on over 2 playthroughs and kinda likes the idea of an endless NG+ if I so desire though, its not the biggest deal. It just makes a single playthrough of this Bioware game, less 'full' than ever. At least if they release a later DLC or tweak things in a future patch, we could see a softening of this 'grind'. And yes I consider sighing and putting my scanner up everywhere I can to add up to hours to my long playthrough, a grind. I've honestly never tried to get Level X everything gear in one NG+ playthorugh with the Citadel DLC... but I suspect that would take a lot of grinding in the Arena to get the creds to buy all that gear... I don't think I'll be trying for that, but my hats off to you for doing it. Yeah I don't think I ever would either I tend to just level up the things I' m using in that playthrough. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 5, 2017 17:39:25 GMT
I didn't go out of my way to mine. If i happened to come across a mining zone while traveling during missions, then i'd release a drone. No way would i ever try hitting all of the mining zones..... Yeah if you really try, you have to drive in circles and zigzags to get an optimal yield.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 18:13:07 GMT
I didn't go out of my way to mine. If i happened to come across a mining zone while traveling during missions, then i'd release a drone. No way would i ever try hitting all of the mining zones..... Yeah if you really try, you have to drive in circles and zigzags to get an optimal yield. This is, even if you drop a drone in not the best location, the remaining minerals in that area are still there once you leave and return to the planet again. The zone only depletes once you actually collect a certain percentage of what was originally there. Sure, it would have been easier if they had let the ability to use probes reset after just doing another mission or so on the planet without having to leave the planet, but it still means that people don't have to overtly stress over getting their first probe in the best location if they don't want to take the time to do it. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 6, 2017 13:21:48 GMT
It's when I got the AVP perk that expanded mining zones and realized I had to revisit everything again. I almost fuckin' cried. Me too! I thought this was some sort of evil stress test or something. |
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 6, 2017 13:30:30 GMT
I'm also sure that PC players can also, by now, just give themselves a load of points by modding the file. If this in reference to ME3, I just use Gibbed and to give myself minerals in ME2 (to avoid scanning) and credits in ME3 (to avoid grinding). Makes for a better experience, and there's no reason Shepard, who has the resources of Cerberus and then the Alliance should have to be resource and/or credit poor. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 13:45:58 GMT
I'm also sure that PC players can also, by now, just give themselves a load of points by modding the file. If this in reference to ME3, I just use Gibbed and to give myself minerals in ME2 (to avoid scanning) and credits in ME3 (to avoid grinding). Makes for a better experience, and there's no reason Shepard, who has the resources of Cerberus and then the Alliance should have to be resource and/or credit poor. Yes, I certainly wasn't implying that there is anything wrong in that. I'm also sure that, if it hasn't been done already, there will be a similar means to add in things like Research Points in ME:A for PC users. I'm on a console, so mods don't apply to me; but that doesn't mean that I object to PC users taking advantage of them. |
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Post by PillarBiter on Jul 6, 2017 14:13:20 GMT
I use the andromeda apex app to constantly send apex teams, which gather a lot of resources over time. More than I need.
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Post by heathenoxman on Jul 6, 2017 14:15:23 GMT
Bioware has a hard-on for mining/mineral scanning.
I just save my creds and buy better weapons and armor.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jul 6, 2017 18:02:51 GMT
It's weird...I get a giddy feeling every time I deplete a zone but at the same time I feel bad for depleting a zone...can't I ever be happy?  |
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 6, 2017 18:11:41 GMT
I am on my second PT right now and IMO, the game works MUCH better if you already have an understanding on what to do or rather to prioritize. Take the Task on Hawarl, you get from on of the Sage people - to collect remnant artifacts in the wild. On my first PT, I was under the impression that you'd have to search the dozen or so artifacts that would be placed in specific places. So I spent a lot of time running through the area, just searching for them. That was tedious and completely ruined the flow and pacing on this planet. Now, that I know it's just randomly spawning items, I did it on the side, just picked one up whenever I came across one and the task completes itself and is no trouble whatsoever. That's the trouble with filler content, it may work if you approach it as intended but since you cannot know the intended quest design on your first playthrough, it always has the potential to screw you up.
Same goes for the mining. I bet the devs never meant for players to deplete all those zones. Mining is fine for me now, when I see the notice on the mining computer, I turn it on and if the levels go up while I drive by, I'll launch a probe but I don't worry anymore about the zones themselves. Works perfectly. In my first playthrough, I'd spend way too much time lawn mowing the mining zones to deplete them.
It's a shame if you have to know the quest design in advance to enjoy them. That's not good quest design and it's exactly the issue I have with filler content and excessive map markers like this.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 6, 2017 18:14:22 GMT
It's when I got the AVP perk that expanded mining zones and realized I had to revisit everything again. I almost fuckin' cried. Me too! I thought this was some sort of evil stress test or something. Even during my first playthrough, reading the description of that "perk", I realized I'd have to avoid that one like the plague.  |
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Post by xassantex on Jul 6, 2017 18:49:49 GMT
considering i've crafted two weapons and one piece of armor which i eventually sold because useless , mining is a waste of time. Plus I avoid listening to SAM.
I do scan the planets, because, you know, "we've got a crater" ... ( yes, Suvi, ...ever been to the moon?? ) .
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Post by rahavan on Jul 6, 2017 18:59:26 GMT
Okay, my point is COMPLETIONISM. Every item gained, all to max rank. Everything on a map completed. This means every mining area depleted (I in fact did this in ME1 with the Wiki help). Every mission done if possible. So yes the Research points from one (content) 'completionist' SP-only playthrough is pitiful. But not so bad if you indeed just focus on a few things. You'll get your hundreds/thousands of points and carry on. But if you want it all, it takes not just one NG+, but at least multiple. Like the weapon ranks in ME3 without Citadel DLC involved. I already did one playthrough where I scanned nearly everything I could, and I've nearly gotten everything out of MEA MP Bronze (working on Silver, venturing into Gold). I was still very lacking when it came to powerful gear choices in crafting. This is not necessarily terrible, but its clearly by design, to sell the Strike Farmville system and tie the SP closer to the MP without stepping on too many toes in the process. As someone who intends on over 2 playthroughs and kinda likes the idea of an endless NG+ if I so desire though, its not the biggest deal. It just makes a single playthrough of this Bioware game, less 'full' than ever. At least if they release a later DLC or tweak things in a future patch, we could see a softening of this 'grind'. And yes I consider sighing and putting my scanner up everywhere I can to add up to hours to my long playthrough, a grind. I've honestly never tried to get Level X everything gear in one NG+ playthorugh with the Citadel DLC... but I suspect that would take a lot of grinding in the Arena to get the creds to buy all that gear... I don't think I'll be trying for that, but my hats off to you for doing it. Just use cheat engine (or save editor if on console). People honestly ruin the game for themselves doing all that grind  |
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 6, 2017 20:07:45 GMT
I've honestly never tried to get Level X everything gear in one NG+ playthorugh with the Citadel DLC... but I suspect that would take a lot of grinding in the Arena to get the creds to buy all that gear... I don't think I'll be trying for that, but my hats off to you for doing it. Just use cheat engine (or save editor if on console). People honestly ruin the game for themselves doing all that grind Yea, I'd consider myself a fairly compulsive completionist, especially where the MET is concerned but even I have never done that one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 20:23:20 GMT
I've honestly never tried to get Level X everything gear in one NG+ playthorugh with the Citadel DLC... but I suspect that would take a lot of grinding in the Arena to get the creds to buy all that gear... I don't think I'll be trying for that, but my hats off to you for doing it. Just use cheat engine (or save editor if on console). People honestly ruin the game for themselves doing all that grind Lol - Maybe tell the guy I was responding to... because, as I said, I don't think I'd being trying to get creds for all that gear in ME3 in one NG+ playthrough. My strategy is that I sample different guns as I collect them in the first run playthrough and by the time I hit the end of that playthrough, I've decided on which 2 guns I'll be sticking with for the duration of the NG+ playtrhough with that class of Shepard. There are ample creds just through doing the missions to get 2 guns up to Level 10. |
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Post by rahavan on Jul 7, 2017 4:31:45 GMT
Just use cheat engine (or save editor if on console). People honestly ruin the game for themselves doing all that grind Yea, I'd consider myself a fairly compulsive completionist, especially where the MET is concerned but even I have never done that one. I do a plain Jane run the first time (except in TW3 since I had like 3 mods) after that I cheat my way to victory!  |
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