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Post by angrybobh on Jul 3, 2017 18:26:05 GMT
I've found the flamethrower is good on the TAgent, but not worth it on the Krogan. Flamethrower on the TAgent has some great utility, allowing you to debuff enemies against you twice from blinding heat and passive. When enemies shoot pea shooters at you, it makes sense to laugh while watching them burn to death while accelerating their demise with your weapon. I tend to die a lot when I use flamethrower on the TAgent. When I see a group of 3 redbars I can either deliver 3 ushior shots to the face or stand there and die like a moron with flames coming out of my hand. And, yeah, on the Krogan it is really pointless. I carry a Dhan and spec into melee, flak cannon, and fortify so I can take on the whole map at once or I could have flames coming out of my hand....... |
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 3, 2017 18:27:02 GMT
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Post by gethadept on Jul 3, 2017 18:27:35 GMT
On a serious note, it's disappointing to hear people's opinions on Flamerthrower. I put points into it on my Krogan Mercenary thinking it would be a decent power after the 1.06 update. I guess not.  The only redeeming factor I can think of is that it's AoE and doesn't use a power cell. So after hitting a group of mooks with flak cannon you can flamer them to speed up the kill time. But other than that, yeah... It still looks cool though. And it doesn't sound like a jaguar. One more flak cannon + 24% debuff gunning is almost always better than Flamethrower IMHO. |
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Post by onehitparry on Jul 3, 2017 18:29:52 GMT
On a serious note, it's disappointing to hear people's opinions on Flamerthrower. I put points into it on my Krogan Mercenary thinking it would be a decent power after the 1.06 update. I guess not. The only redeeming factor I can think of is that it's AoE and doesn't use a power cell. So after hitting a group of mooks with flak cannon you can flamer them to speed up the kill time. But other than that, yeah... It still looks cool though. And it doesn't sound like a jaguar. One more flak cannon + 24% debuff gunning is almost always better than Flamethrower IMHO. I haven't specced into the +24% debuff, but I might do that now. |
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Post by Schreiner on Jul 3, 2017 18:36:21 GMT
I was looking into a KrogEngy build and thinking the exact same thing. Incinerate was superior to Fthrower in every way: initial damage, burning damage, longer range. Why on earth would I choose Fthrower on a build designed to kill things quickly to keep Rage active? flamethrower burning damage is actually much higher than incinerate's burning damage. like... 3 times more DPS and a little over 2 times more total damage. Incinerate DOT - 45 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +35% Rank 4 Burning - +50% Total DOT: ~83 dmg/sec over 9 secondsFlamethrower Dot - 120 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +25% Rank 4 Damage - +35% Rank 5 Lingering Burn - +50% Total DOT: ~246 dmg/sec over 7 secondsBy itself, I agree that flamethrower is a bit underwhelming. but both characters that have that ability currently can use it to great effect when combined with the rest of their kit |
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jul 3, 2017 18:36:47 GMT
Still just as annoying.
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Post by GordianKnot42 on Jul 3, 2017 18:46:03 GMT
I was looking into a KrogEngy build and thinking the exact same thing. Incinerate was superior to Fthrower in every way: initial damage, burning damage, longer range. Why on earth would I choose Fthrower on a build designed to kill things quickly to keep Rage active? flamethrower burning damage is actually much higher than incinerate's burning damage. like... 3 times more DPS and a little over 2 times more total damage. Incinerate DOT - 45 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +35% Rank 4 Burning - +50% Total DOT: ~83 dmg/sec over 9 secondsFlamethrower Dot - 120 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +25% Rank 4 Damage - +35% Rank 5 Lingering Burn - +50% Total DOT: ~246 dmg/sec over 7 secondsBy itself, I agree that flamethrower is a bit underwhelming. but both characters that have that ability currently can use it to great effect when combined with the rest of their kit Ah, that's much better DoT. I must have misread the stats page on Apex HQ. |
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Post by angrybobh on Jul 3, 2017 18:46:07 GMT
I was looking into a KrogEngy build and thinking the exact same thing. Incinerate was superior to Fthrower in every way: initial damage, burning damage, longer range. Why on earth would I choose Fthrower on a build designed to kill things quickly to keep Rage active? flamethrower burning damage is actually much higher than incinerate's burning damage. like... 3 times more DPS and a little over 2 times more total damage. Incinerate DOT - 45 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +35% Rank 4 Burning - +50% Total DOT: ~83 dmg/sec over 9 secondsFlamethrower Dot - 120 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +25% Rank 4 Damage - +35% Rank 5 Lingering Burn - +50% Total DOT: ~246 dmg/sec over 7 secondsBy itself, I agree that flamethrower is a bit underwhelming. but both characters that have that ability currently can use it to great effect when combined with the rest of their kit ok, but how? 246 DPS is still pathetic. If i had a choice between a common avenger and flamethrower, I'm using the avenger. I have used incinerate on a redbar and watched the impact take away a whole lot of his health and then the rest just falls away. I can fire and forget with incinerate. I can't seem to make flamethrower into something that I would choose to use instead of something I have to hobble myself to use to get challenge points. |
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Post by poultrymancer on Jul 3, 2017 21:40:22 GMT
I was looking into a KrogEngy build and thinking the exact same thing. Incinerate was superior to Fthrower in every way: initial damage, burning damage, longer range. Why on earth would I choose Fthrower on a build designed to kill things quickly to keep Rage active? flamethrower burning damage is actually much higher than incinerate's burning damage. like... 3 times more DPS and a little over 2 times more total damage. Incinerate DOT - 45 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +35% Rank 4 Burning - +50% Total DOT: ~83 dmg/sec over 9 secondsFlamethrower Dot - 120 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +25% Rank 4 Damage - +35% Rank 5 Lingering Burn - +50% Total DOT: ~246 dmg/sec over 7 secondsBy itself, I agree that flamethrower is a bit underwhelming. but both characters that have that ability currently can use it to great effect when combined with the rest of their kit Apples and oranges. Incinerate is fire-and-forget. I can either add concurrent weapon damage to the affected target(s) or kill three or four other enemies while it does its work. Flamethrower makes you stare down an enemy or group of enemies for a ludicrously long time. If it had the range of Cryo Beam, the damage difference might be worth that disadvantage, but it doesn't. Another big difference: Incinerate can detonate. |
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Post by killabkilledb on Jul 3, 2017 21:50:54 GMT
I love destroying players who mis-use the Turian Agent and use his Flamethrower. I use Flamethrower on the Krogan Mercenary because Munitions training past Rank 4 is mostly pointless and I love to use that class as the ultimate Tank. I prefer Damage at 4, Reach at 5, and Blinding Heat on 6. Skipping sustained fire is the most pointless thing any build could do ever, unless using low ROF weapons. I'll take 24% extra damage for me and my teammates on my hurricane ALL DAY for dealing with larger armored targets. This is a no-brainer...one of the easiest choices in the whole game. A shadow with sustained fire or two teammates with it? OMG.... Flak cannon and flame thrower together are overkill. Flak cannon is WAY WAY WAY better than flame thrower and there are plenty of ammo boxes on the map. There is no reason, except point whoring, to ever use flame thrower on the krogan mercenary. Kill redbar and get 100pts plus like 40 assist points. Flamethrower just artificially inflates score. Its not even good on the merc for getting bonus stats faster because if you just use more flaks and run an ammo box route during the game you'll get just as many points because flak cannon is probably 2x better... Look how EVO does with his flamerless Merc. 30k every game with no flamethrower... Its a complete waste. Fortify and rage make it a tank and flak cannon melts almost EVERYTHING in this game...with flaks, being tanky and sustained fire on a durpicane...no other merc build will out DPS that...its hard to find many builds in the game that will out DPS that... |
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Post by killabkilledb on Jul 3, 2017 21:55:50 GMT
Flamer on the agent is stupid too. Recon visor with armor debuff and cloak damage is far superior with high DPS weapons.
The only time I will ever use flame throw is if a soldier is following me around with concussive shot. Then the LOLs begin...
I can kill la group of redbars with cloak/recon visor and hurricane/dhan as fast as a flamethrow but I also get to obliterate armor with rank 6 of recon visor...
Shooting shit through cover is also nice too.
I have no interest in point whoring redbars.
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Post by Darxtryder on Jul 4, 2017 13:26:45 GMT
flamethrower burning damage is actually much higher than incinerate's burning damage. like... 3 times more DPS and a little over 2 times more total damage. Incinerate DOT - 45 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +35% Rank 4 Burning - +50% Total DOT: ~83 dmg/sec over 9 secondsFlamethrower Dot - 120 dmg/sec Rank 3 All Damage - +25% Rank 4 Damage - +35% Rank 5 Lingering Burn - +50% Total DOT: ~246 dmg/sec over 7 secondsBy itself, I agree that flamethrower is a bit underwhelming. but both characters that have that ability currently can use it to great effect when combined with the rest of their kit ok, but how? 246 DPS is still pathetic. If i had a choice between a common avenger and flamethrower, I'm using the avenger. I have used incinerate on a redbar and watched the impact take away a whole lot of his health and then the rest just falls away. I can fire and forget with incinerate. I can't seem to make flamethrower into something that I would choose to use instead of something I have to hobble myself to use to get challenge points. Come play gold with me on PSN and I'll gladly outscore you by 12,000 points with you using only an Avenger and me using solely Flamethrower. |
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jul 4, 2017 13:36:22 GMT
Which wouldn't prove anything? O.o
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Post by Darxtryder on Jul 4, 2017 13:45:28 GMT
I love destroying players who mis-use the Turian Agent and use his Flamethrower. I use Flamethrower on the Krogan Mercenary because Munitions training past Rank 4 is mostly pointless and I love to use that class as the ultimate Tank. I prefer Damage at 4, Reach at 5, and Blinding Heat on 6. Skipping sustained fire is the most pointless thing any build could do ever, unless using low ROF weapons. I'll take 24% extra damage for me and my teammates on my hurricane ALL DAY for dealing with larger armored targets. This is a no-brainer...one of the easiest choices in the whole game. A shadow with sustained fire or two teammates with it? OMG.... Flak cannon and flame thrower together are overkill. Flak cannon is WAY WAY WAY better than flame thrower and there are plenty of ammo boxes on the map. There is no reason, except point whoring, to ever use flame thrower on the krogan mercenary. Kill redbar and get 100pts plus like 40 assist points. Flamethrower just artificially inflates score. Its not even good on the merc for getting bonus stats faster because if you just use more flaks and run an ammo box route during the game you'll get just as many points because flak cannon is probably 2x better... Look how EVO does with his flamerless Merc. 30k every game with no flamethrower... Its a complete waste. Fortify and rage make it a tank and flak cannon melts almost EVERYTHING in this game...with flaks, being tanky and sustained fire on a durpicane...no other merc build will out DPS that...its hard to find many builds in the game that will out DPS that... Is math related to science? 🤔 |
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Post by Darxtryder on Jul 4, 2017 13:46:02 GMT
Which wouldn't prove anything? O.o Other than that shit players with bad opinions should keep their mouths shut. |
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Post by brannigans1ove on Jul 4, 2017 14:34:49 GMT
Surely it being rubbish, and not lasting as long, means it gets used less, and therefore must be less annoying |
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jul 4, 2017 14:43:20 GMT
Surely it being rubbish, and not lasting as long, means it gets used less, and therefore must be less annoying Thankfully I don't see it often, but the few times I've played with a Flamer spammer have been annoying as fuck. |
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Post by angrybobh on Jul 4, 2017 21:41:22 GMT
ok, but how? 246 DPS is still pathetic. If i had a choice between a common avenger and flamethrower, I'm using the avenger. I have used incinerate on a redbar and watched the impact take away a whole lot of his health and then the rest just falls away. I can fire and forget with incinerate. I can't seem to make flamethrower into something that I would choose to use instead of something I have to hobble myself to use to get challenge points. Come play gold with me on PSN and I'll gladly outscore you by 12,000 points with you using only an Avenger and me using solely Flamethrower. I have been outscored many times and it doesn't hurt my feelings so I totally would except PC over here. And it wouldn't describe to me how flamethrower would be specced or used to (to quote you) "great effect". Thats really the point of this thread. I hate flamethrower but my OCD wants me to complete the challenge. Most of the posts here seem to agree that its somewhere between terrible to meh. If you know the secret, let me in on it as opposed to replying with "come at me bro" for some reason. |
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Post by gethadept on Jul 5, 2017 3:12:16 GMT
i tried t.agent again with shadow & flamethrower
and i must say this combination is simply delightful
haha
shadow makes up for weakness of flamethrower
while flamethrower makes up for shadow's weakness
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Post by KingTony on Jul 5, 2017 3:27:04 GMT
The flamethrower is the ultimate weapon of war and I'm certain that, were Ares, the God of War, to step onto a modern battlefield, the flamethrower would be his weapon of choice, for gods need not heed the Geneva Conventions of man. They are fearsome and deadly, terrible yet beautiful, and almost as dangerous to the guy holding it as the one it's fired at.
But in MEAMP it's trash.
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Post by vegasflash on Jul 5, 2017 5:12:53 GMT
skip it, it's pointless especially among good players. It's good enough at level 1
the only redeeming factor is debuff, then again you don't need to debuff because cloak will keep you alive
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Post by Darxtryder on Jul 5, 2017 7:26:00 GMT
Come play gold with me on PSN and I'll gladly outscore you by 12,000 points with you using only an Avenger and me using solely Flamethrower. I have been outscored many times and it doesn't hurt my feelings so I totally would except PC over here. And it wouldn't describe to me how flamethrower would be specced or used to (to quote you) "great effect". Thats really the point of this thread. I hate flamethrower but my OCD wants me to complete the challenge. Most of the posts here seem to agree that its somewhere between terrible to meh. If you know the secret, let me in on it as opposed to replying with "come at me bro" for some reason. Up, Up, Down. You can spec the first 2 how you want but Blinding Heat is the key for it. I think you'll find you like it by the time you're done with the challenge. |
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Post by learnedhand on Jul 5, 2017 12:30:56 GMT
It's a fun skill especially role playing the t. agent as a mad bbq-er. It won't gimp you, is easy on the score board, and has some effective uses. Its one of the most painless challenges to pursue if that was the original question.
The most useless kind of posts are all the ones claiming how useless flamethrower is and everyone one must play a certain way. "Good" players know the game is hardly a challenge requiring no need to min max your skills and always use the op ones.
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Post by N7Mith on Jul 5, 2017 12:42:26 GMT
skip it, it's pointless especially among good players. It's good enough at level 1 the only redeeming factor is debuff, then again you don't need to debuff because cloak will keep you alive Yes, because breaking cloak doesn't mean it's unavailable for a certain amount of time. Besides the debuff is a huge score-whore, which would go very well with your craving for attention. |
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The only redeeming factor I can think of is that it's AoE and doesn't use a power cell. So after hitting a group of mooks with flak cannon you can flamer them to speed up the kill time. But other than that, yeah... It still looks cool though. And it doesn't sound like a jaguar.
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