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Post by Thrombin on Jul 3, 2017 14:23:56 GMT
I read Nexus Uprising before I played the game so when I finally met Sloane Kelly at Kadara I didn't really recognize her as the same person. Now it's been a few months since I read it so maybe the details are hazy but as far as I recall, in the book she was never in favour of the rebels decision to mutiny. She was in the middle of talking them down when the Krogan attacked and she only took up arms against the Krogan because a) she was in the line of fire too and she didn't believe they deserved to be gunned down like that. That was the extent of her involvement in the mutiny. She still believed in the Nexus and the AI and she was never portrayed as some sort of ruthless criminal overlord who hates all things Nexus including the Pathfinder. I just found it very hard to reconcile her portrayal in the game with her portrayal in the book. Is this another case of a Mass Effect book not being a true representation of the game or do you think her actions and attitude in game can be reconciled with her personality in the book?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:24:47 GMT
If you read up on her actions in-game, she went from supportive to traitor.
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Post by Thrombin on Jul 3, 2017 14:57:29 GMT
If you read up on her actions in-game, she went from supportive to traitor. Not sure specifically what you're referring to but my point is that turning traitor isn't compatible with her personality from the book. At least in my opinion. We were in her head in the book. We could see what sort of person she was and I don't think that was the person we met in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 15:00:05 GMT
If you read up on her actions in-game, she went from supportive to traitor. Not sure specifically what you're referring to but my point is that turning traitor isn't compatible with her personality from the book. At least in my opinion. My point is the game brushes off everything in the book. If you never read the book, Kelly is given zero sympathy. She did all the stuff you read, but it's not detailed and now she's a traitor that should die.
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Post by Thrombin on Jul 3, 2017 15:30:27 GMT
Not sure specifically what you're referring to but my point is that turning traitor isn't compatible with her personality from the book. At least in my opinion. My point is the game brushes off everything in the book. If you never read the book, Kelly is given zero sympathy. She did all the stuff you read, but it's not detailed and now she's a traitor that should die. Ok, so we agree that the game ignores the book. The background you pick up in game is largely the skewed opinion of Tann rather than what actually happened. That's fine but then that still doesn't explain why she's suddenly turned into a ruthless criminal supporting all sorts of criminal and underhanded activity that is counterproductive to the AI she signed up for. I get that she'd be upset with Tann for the way he let loose the Krogan, I get why she might become a de-facto leader of the exiles trying to help them set up and survive. But to then turn against the entire AI and Nexus and take up the rebel's cause even though there was no point during the book where she actually believed they were in the right seems out of character. It's one thing to ignore the events of the book, it's another to be incompatible with the personality she had in the book. What I'm saying is I don't think her personality and actions work as being the same character from the book. Which you can be fine with or not fine with. Just seems a shame, to me, that the writers didn't seem to be on the same page...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:17:15 GMT
I've looked all over in-game and I agree it's strange. I can't understand her motive at all, and her wanting to make the horrible drug. It's like she took a complete turn in character without details as to how or why she went that way.
Only time she showed a good side was when I speedran through the game and didn't help Kadara. She still came to help at the end.
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Post by bshep on Jul 3, 2017 17:11:59 GMT
I disagree. Since the book does give us her POV we can see how she goes out of her way to annoy both Addison and Tann even when she thinks they have good intentions only because she doesn't like them and sees them as inept to their positions. She was definitely not leadership material as much as the ones she hates.
And close to the end she joins the losing side, from the people who thought that stealing weapons, food and starting fires at hydroponics were good ideas, just because she didn't like the idea of using the krogan to stop the "rebels". Sure the krogan hammered the rebels hard but it's not like they indiscriminately killed everyone and by the end of it there were a lot of prisioners. Even Kesh (the most level headed person between the four) agreed that the best decision was to quell the uprising fast before the fools finished breaking a ship that was already limping.
So the book showed to me that Sloane was a hothead who only liked to do things on her way. Her only redeeming feature was her loyalty to the people she saw as "hers".
Because of that i don't find that hard to believe she would be playing mob boss with her "security forces" on Kadara port.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 17:21:29 GMT
I disagree. Since the book does give us her POV we can see how she goes out of her way to annoy both Addison and Tann even when she thinks they have good intentions only because she doesn't like them and sees them as inept to their positions. She was definitely not leadership material as much as the ones she hates. And close to the end she joins the losing side, from the people who thought that stealing weapons, food and atarting fires at hydroponics were good ideas, just because she didn't like the idea of using the krogan to stop the "rebels". Sure the krogan hammered the rebels hard but it's not like they indiscriminately killed everyone and by the end of it there were a lot of prisioners. Even Kesh (the most level headed person bewteen the four) agreed that the best decision was to quell the uprising fast before the fools finished breaking a ship that was already limping. So the book showed to me that Sloane was a hothead who only liked to do things on her way. Her only redeeming feature was her loyalty to the people she saw as "hers". Because of that i don't find that hard to believe she would be playing mob boss with her "security forces" on Kadara port. A lot of people said the book made you want to feel sorry for her. Glad you saw it differently!
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Post by LogicGunn on Jul 3, 2017 22:33:49 GMT
I think the POV is part of the point.
In the book Sloane experiences the issues of a broken Nexus and a dead leader. She, and the others, muddle along and do the best they can. Sloane looks for the option with the least amount of fallout when shit hits the fan and gets caught in a crossfire because of it. Whatever you think of her actions from then on is up to you.
But in the game Ryder meets her after hearing her called a traitor and a watered down account of the uprising. As the reader and player we see a bigger picture, but Ryder only knows what she's been told. Sloane, at the point Ryder meets her, has zero trust for the AI and so zero trust for anyone associated with it. She's snarky and rude and dismissive and if you disagree with her she throws you out. But Ryder doesn't have the context to understand where it's come from.
I don't feel sorry for Sloane, I respect the choices she made in the shit she found herself in, especially considering that she really bought into the "new beginning" thing that Jien Garson was selling and had to face the same Milky Way BS when she woke up. She was naive to think that even with JG in charge the old species tensions would vanish in cryosleep. Somewhere between exile and settling Kadara Port she lost her idealism. IDK if her version of Kadara Port is better or worse than what was originally there, but it represents a change in character. I don't think it's out of character, how she is in Kadara vs in the book, just a change from her experiences and a different POV.
It's late here in Scotland, I hope that isn't too rambling.
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Post by evhgear on Jul 4, 2017 17:22:40 GMT
We could also add that maybe the Benefactor have influenced her decision to switch sides. It's a possibility, we will need more stuff about it, so let's hope that that Batarian leaked video is going to give us more awnsers
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 4, 2017 17:42:07 GMT
I actually think the book did a fairly good job of showing how easy it was for her to become an exile. She didn't like authority and really didn't like Tann and Addison. Then when Calix was killed, that was what set her off. There's also in-game information (I think in the security console on the Nexus) that shows that they found the Asari's body somewhere in the Pfeiffer system. I did scan that system hoping for more info or debris or something, but didn't find anything.
The only thing it lacks is how you get from Head of Security to Lord of the Flies, but given how it ended and how angry she was at the Nexus, I don't think it's all that difficult to fill in the gaps.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Aug 11, 2017 14:58:00 GMT
It wasn't a hard stretch for me either. Sloane was portrayed in the book and the game as being hotheaded and egotistical. She got stabbed in the back more than once by Tann and Addison, and forced to choose her loyalty to the Nexus crew versus the leadership. Sloane has a hero complex and spent most of her time in the lower decks with the crew. It stands to reason that she would choose the welfare of the crew over decisions by an incompetent leadership that she didn't agree with.
Another one of Sloane's failings is that she doesn't know when to stop. She also sort of romanticizes this aspect of her personality. Addison was the only one on the Nexus that seemed to be able to keep her in check. As much as Sloane disliked her on the surface, I think she actually listened to her...occasionally. Once she was exiled, she didn't have Addison to kick her butt anymore. Just herself, and people to feed her ego. I think Kaetus is the worst one. The book also seems to indicate that Sloane can be easily manipulated when the solution fits her emotions. It seems to me that he just wants to make her happy and will do or say anything to do that.
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Post by Serza on Aug 11, 2017 20:48:17 GMT
Erm, the Krogan thing, anyone?
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 12, 2017 6:59:36 GMT
I read Nexus Uprising before I played the game so when I finally met Sloane Kelly at Kadara I didn't really recognize her as the same person. Now it's been a few months since I read it so maybe the details are hazy but as far as I recall, in the book she was never in favour of the rebels decision to mutiny. She was in the middle of talking them down when the Krogan attacked and she only took up arms against the Krogan because a) she was in the line of fire too and she didn't believe they deserved to be gunned down like that. That was the extent of her involvement in the mutiny. She still believed in the Nexus and the AI and she was never portrayed as some sort of ruthless criminal overlord who hates all things Nexus including the Pathfinder. I just found it very hard to reconcile her portrayal in the game with her portrayal in the book. Is this another case of a Mass Effect book not being a true representation of the game or do you think her actions and attitude in game can be reconciled with her personality in the book? I think you need to reread. She was antagonistic to Nexus leadership practically from leaving her stasis pod. (Admittedly, she was better before cryo, but there's every indication that she was difficult to deal with even during her Alliance days.) Now, Tann was a jerk and made a lot of crappy decisions. Sloane, however, had input. She put herself out of reach of communication on purpose so when the rebellion happened, and shitty decisions were made, she complained. When she decided to try to talk down the rebels she did so without telling any of the Nexus leaders. That put her in a bad place and forced her to side with the rebels. I believe she did want the best for everyone but she was just as unsuited for leadership as Tann. She seemed to be a thug tht was playing nice with Jien Garson out of gratitude. With Jien gone, she fell back into old behavior. The proof is at the end when she's escaping on a shuttle with other rebels and threatens to kill anyone who even thinks about challenging her authority. I think reading that first would leave no one surprised at what she was doing on Kadara. That's why I had no problem killing her.
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