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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 20:25:32 GMT
So, that brings me back to... maybe it's not needed.... maybe we would get SP DLC in due course without doing anything at all. Still, what is the harm in telling people who worked very hard on something that we enjoyed their work and would like to see the hints they made towards future plot lines finished? People show support for things/people that are already a success all the time. We rally behind a winning team at a ball game. We party in the streets when they win the cup and we tell them that we'll be back when they make another run for the cup the next year. It's not needed, but it's still nice for them to hear. True, I just find it odd how this was never needed/done before for previous Bioware titles. DAO, DA2, DAI, ME1, ME2, and ME3 didn't have/need fans show support for the game through petitions/online movements, so whats so different about MEA? Maybe just stop trying to just discourage people from making an effort to tell Bioware they like this game. You're talking yourself around in circles now. What part of "maybe it's not needed" did you not understand?
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 6, 2017 20:29:06 GMT
True, I just find it odd how this was never needed/done before for previous Bioware titles. DAO, DA2, DAI, ME1, ME2, and ME3 didn't have/need fans show support for the game through petitions/online movements, so whats so different about MEA? Maybe just stop trying to just discourage people from making an effort to tell Bioware they like this game. You're talking yourself around in circles now. What part of "maybe it's not needed" did you not understand? Lol ok ok. I am not trying to discourage anyone. I just wanted to know the reason behind the movement. But I won't derail this thread further. I'll go about my own business and play some online Gwent and then go and take care of some work related stuff. I'll be back when I find another reason to post something. You enjoy yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 20:35:31 GMT
Maybe just stop trying to just discourage people from making an effort to tell Bioware they like this game. You're talking yourself around in circles now. What part of "maybe it's not needed" did you not understand? Lol ok ok. I am not trying to discourage anyone. I just wanted to know the reason behind the movement. But I won't derail this thread further. I'll go about my own business and play some online Gwent and then go and take care of some work related stuff. I'll be back when I find another reason to post something. You enjoy yourself. Now, look who's in denial. All your previous posts say otherwise.
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 6, 2017 20:44:03 GMT
As much as I like it when people speak for me and tell me why I do the things I do, none of that is an intellectually honest portrayal of any views I've seen on this forum. So let's take a step back. Financials are important but we don't know the specifics. We have the shareholder meeting transcript which is largely positive but isn't the full picture. We don't know how well/poorly it sold and EA is unlikely to offer that data anytime soon. The reason there is a "movement" is for two reasons: 1. Schreier's reporting may be correct, but it's sketchy, and 2. if Schreier is correct, he also said that Bioware might change their minds. Why not use this as an opportunity to influence them? I'm a paying customer and will use real dollars to pay for more Mass Effect. That's my goal. Customer-driven campaigns really can work, but you have the option to choose not to be part of it, instead of spending your time caring what other people are doing with their time. When it comes to financials, in the first week of sales, didn't MEA sell less than what ME3 did in it's first week? It sold around 1 million units in physical sales the first week and EA expected 3 million. Either way, this is Electronic Arts we are dealing with, a billion dollar organization that only sees things in profits and losses. This isn't a political grass roots movement where a certain political figure (or organization like congress) can be swayed because they see a large swath of their constituents making certain demands. With EA, this is about their bottom line and if they have internal financials that shows that it isn't financially feasible to spend more money/resources on SP DLC for MEA, this is a decision that they have already made. They have numbers and metrics that would give them indication that something would be profitable or not and I am sure that is what they make their decisions on in addition to the review scores. A videogame gets a chunk of their sells during the first month and after that it is just a small drizzle. So EA already has a month or two of data that would show them that it is okay for them to greenlight a SP DLC endeavor or to not. Unless the #SaveTheQuarians campaign can somehow give MEA a large bump in game sales, I just do not see what message this sends to EA? I mean, you say you want to show them that there is still love for the game but that can be said about any videogame, no matter how popular or unpopular it was, no matter how much it sold and no matter what the review scores were......ALL videogames will have a tight-knit community that is very loyal to the game/developer and would like to see more content/sequels made. So what makes the MEA community so unique to where EA should ignore what their internal data shows about profitability and just go ahead with SP content. I mean, I am pretty sure EA appreciates the support, but in their mind, their decision is going to come from game sales, not social media hashtags and I'll say it again, unless #SaveTheQuarians can convince people to go out and buy the game to add to the sales numbers, or retroactively increase MEA's sales, I just do not seeing this having any impact on EA's decision to move forward or not move forward with SP DLC because that was most likely a decision already made back in April/May or even March. Why does this bother you so much? Whether other fans engage in a supportive Twitter hashtag or not affects you personally in no way, shape, or form, so why, exactly, are you in this thread essentially trying to argue to people that it shouldn't be done? Two articles were published saying that "sources" tell them no SP DLC will happen, you and suikoden have certainly seemed to make it your life's mission to argue against the folks here who enjoyed the game, and there was a ton of general Internet screeching about the game... so, I don't really find it surprising at all that people who enjoyed the game who now worry it might not get SP DLC are rallying behind a hashtag to at least show support. In the end, we are powerless to make EA say "yay" or "nay", but feeling like you at least tried to do something feels better than doing nothing at all. You are painting the entire group of people as believing the game was a commercial success and DLC is guaranteed. Stop. Stop labeling whole groups of people as if they are one homogeneous hive mind. We don't know what the full sales numbers are, on either side of the fence. But we do know of the rumblings that were published, so that's a bit of a lightning rod, don't you think? As to the bolded, no idea what influence the hashtag might have for people who haven't bought MEA already, but I saw one person on Reddit reply to my thread saying that all the chatter about it was making him think of picking up the game to see it for himself, especially with the $20 promotion at GameStop. So, that brings me back to... maybe it's not needed.... maybe we would get SP DLC in due course without doing anything at all. Still, what is the harm in telling people who worked very hard on something that we enjoyed their work and would like to see the hints they made towards future plot lines finished? People show support for things/people that are already a success all the time. We rally behind a winning team at a ball game. We party in the streets when they win the cup and we tell them that we'll be back when they make another run for the cup the next year. It's not needed, but it's still nice for them to hear. True, I just find it odd how this was never needed/done before for previous Bioware titles. DAO, DA2, DAI, ME1, ME2, and ME3 didn't have/need fans show support for the game through petitions/online movements, so whats so different about MEA? As for why no movement after the ME3 ending debacle, well, I certainly cannot speak for every single person in the hashtag now versus what they were doing in their lives 5 years ago, but I was certainly unhappy that people were giving BioWare such a hard time. I was not on Twitter, but I was on the forum. And in response to all that backlash and because their game helped me through the grief of dealing with my mother's suicide, I wrote them a letter of support and mailed it to Edmonton. And they received it and sent back a sweet letter of their own as well as several unexpected gifts. So, I did my damn part the last time.
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 6, 2017 20:45:16 GMT
Ugh, and I see in the time it took me to post a response, my lovely counter-part has already asked the thread to move back on topic... which we should do. Sorry, SofaJockey!
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 6, 2017 21:05:53 GMT
Been spreading around the #SaveTheQuarians with this image... great meme. Posted by Douglass Hart on Twitter.
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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 21:20:49 GMT
When it comes to financials, in the first week of sales, didn't MEA sell less than what ME3 did in it's first week? It sold around 1 million units in physical sales the first week and EA expected 3 million. Either way, this is Electronic Arts we are dealing with, a billion dollar organization that only sees things in profits and losses. This isn't a political grass roots movement where a certain political figure (or organization like congress) can be swayed because they see a large swath of their constituents making certain demands. With EA, this is about their bottom line and if they have internal financials that shows that it isn't financially feasible to spend more money/resources on SP DLC for MEA, this is a decision that they have already made. They have numbers and metrics that would give them indication that something would be profitable or not and I am sure that is what they make their decisions on in addition to the review scores. A videogame gets a chunk of their sells during the first month and after that it is just a small drizzle. So EA already has a month or two of data that would show them that it is okay for them to greenlight a SP DLC endeavor or to not. Unless the #SaveTheQuarians campaign can somehow give MEA a large bump in game sales, I just do not see what message this sends to EA? I mean, you say you want to show them that there is still love for the game but that can be said about any videogame, no matter how popular or unpopular it was, no matter how much it sold and no matter what the review scores were......ALL videogames will have a tight-knit community that is very loyal to the game/developer and would like to see more content/sequels made. So what makes the MEA community so unique to where EA should ignore what their internal data shows about profitability and just go ahead with SP content. I mean, I am pretty sure EA appreciates the support, but in their mind, their decision is going to come from game sales, not social media hashtags and I'll say it again, unless #SaveTheQuarians can convince people to go out and buy the game to add to the sales numbers, or retroactively increase MEA's sales, I just do not seeing this having any impact on EA's decision to move forward or not move forward with SP DLC because that was most likely a decision already made back in April/May or even March. Why does this bother you so much? Whether other fans engage in a supportive Twitter hashtag or not affects you personally in no way, shape, or form, so why, exactly, are you in this thread essentially trying to argue to people that it shouldn't be done? Two articles were published saying that "sources" tell them no SP DLC will happen, you and suikoden have certainly seemed to make it your life's mission to argue against the folks here who enjoyed the game, and there was a ton of general Internet screeching about the game... so, I don't really find it surprising at all that people who enjoyed the game who now worry it might not get SP DLC are rallying behind a hashtag to at least show support. In the end, we are powerless to make EA say "yay" or "nay", but feeling like you at least tried to do something feels better than doing nothing at all. You are painting the entire group of people as believing the game was a commercial success and DLC is guaranteed. Stop. Stop labeling whole groups of people as if they are one homogeneous hive mind. We don't know what the full sales numbers are, on either side of the fence. But we do know of the rumblings that were published, so that's a bit of a lightning rod, don't you think? As to the bolded, no idea what influence the hashtag might have for people who haven't bought MEA already, but I saw one person on Reddit reply to my thread saying that all the chatter about it was making him think of picking up the game to see it for himself, especially with the $20 promotion at GameStop. True, I just find it odd how this was never needed/done before for previous Bioware titles. DAO, DA2, DAI, ME1, ME2, and ME3 didn't have/need fans show support for the game through petitions/online movements, so whats so different about MEA? As for why no movement after the ME3 ending debacle, well, I certainly cannot speak for every single person in the hashtag now versus what they were doing in their lives 5 years ago, but I was certainly unhappy that people were giving BioWare such a hard time. I was not on Twitter, but I was on the forum. And in response to all that backlash and because their game helped me through the grief of dealing with my mother's suicide, I wrote them a letter of support and mailed it to Edmonton. And they received it and sent back a sweet letter of their own as well as several unexpected gifts. So, I did my damn part the last time. The fucking upvote button only let's me do it one time. That's a travesty. You and sofajockey need to talk to Yummy about that.
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Post by link2twenty on Jul 6, 2017 21:25:01 GMT
Ugh, and I see in the time it took me to post a response, my lovely counter-part has already asked the thread to move back on topic... which we should do. Sorry, SofaJockey ! Oh no, battle of Mods!
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Post by Nord Ronnoc on Jul 6, 2017 21:30:22 GMT
So, that brings me back to... maybe it's not needed.... maybe we would get SP DLC in due course without doing anything at all. Still, what is the harm in telling people who worked very hard on something that we enjoyed their work and would like to see the hints they made towards future plot lines finished? People show support for things/people that are already a success all the time. We rally behind a winning team at a ball game. We party in the streets when they win the cup and we tell them that we'll be back when they make another run for the cup the next year. It's not needed, but it's still nice for them to hear. True, I just find it odd how this was never needed/done before for previous Bioware titles. DAO, DA2, DAI, ME1, ME2, and ME3 didn't have/need fans show support for the game through petitions/online movements, so whats so different about MEA? Two words: EXTENDED. CUT.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 6, 2017 21:33:56 GMT
As for why no movement after the ME3 ending debacle, well, I certainly cannot speak for every single person in the hashtag now versus what they were doing in their lives 5 years ago, but I was certainly unhappy that people were giving BioWare such a hard time. I was not on Twitter, but I was on the forum. And in response to all that backlash and because their game helped me through the grief of dealing with my mother's suicide, I wrote them a letter of support and mailed it to Edmonton. And they received it and sent back a sweet letter of their own as well as several unexpected gifts. So, I did my damn part the last time. Aww, that's sweet. It reminds me of how Dragon Age: Inquisition helped me cope with my recovery after intense surgery. My face was bloated, I had to drink all of my food, my memory of the time is full of holes so that was a thing and the less said about my state of mind the better but that game along with my family helped distract me from the bad. As corny as it sounds, that's the magic of stories be they games, books or television. No matter how bad things are, they can sometimes provide you with just the reprieve you need to get through the day. Make things just a little bit easier. Heh, I remember playing Inquisition late one night and feeling just so cheerful and refreshed the next morning despite having to go to school in my condition. What was especially amusing was that the part I'd played was the break-up scene between Solas and Lavellan I've always been a sucker for tragic romances as long as they're well-written so I guess it's not a surprise that it brighten my day. I'm sorry about your mum. That really sucks. A massive understatement, I know. I hope you're feeling better.
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Post by Xesthan on Jul 6, 2017 22:12:52 GMT
None of the Bioware games came out during a time where I was depressed as hell, but the Tresspasser DLC for Inuquisition almost made me cry right before I had to go to College Algebra. Looking forward to resolving some loose ends.
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Post by Kantr on Jul 6, 2017 22:22:02 GMT
Is this petition being sent to Bioware or EA? Because if it's the former then it's not much use (as they're not an independent stuido with money to burn) and if it's the latter, I can't see EA changing their minds about it if they had no plans for single player DLC.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 6, 2017 22:41:17 GMT
I'll just say that the hue and cry after ME3 is what got the fans the Extended Cut and The Citadel. Hopefully #SaveTheQuarians is seen as positive feedback for Bioware and EA.
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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 23:06:35 GMT
I'll just say that the hue and cry after ME3 is what got the fans the Extended Cut and The Citadel. Hopefully #SaveTheQuarians is seen as positive feedback for Bioware and EA. Exactly. Even if the DLC were currently under development, whether it's the Quarian ark or something else, for months the dev's have faced nothing but the worst of responses. Maybe this is late in coming. Maybe a campaign of dev positivity has been needed to let these poor bastards, who've put in stupidly long hours, know that their work is appreciated.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 6, 2017 23:17:48 GMT
I'll just say that the hue and cry after ME3 is what got the fans the Extended Cut and The Citadel. Hopefully #SaveTheQuarians is seen as positive feedback for Bioware and EA. Exactly. Even if the DLC were currently under development, whether it's the Quarian ark or something else, for months the dev's have faced nothing but the worst of responses. Maybe this is late in coming. Maybe a campaign of dev positivity has been needed to let these poor bastards, who've put in stupidly long hours, know that their work is appreciated. Agreed. The detractors may not realize this, but the developers are human. I really hope this hashtag will show them that there are people on the internet who love ME: A.
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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 23:21:31 GMT
Exactly. Even if the DLC were currently under development, whether it's the Quarian ark or something else, for months the dev's have faced nothing but the worst of responses. Maybe this is late in coming. Maybe a campaign of dev positivity has been needed to let these poor bastards, who've put in stupidly long hours, know that their work is appreciated. Agreed. The detractors may not realize this, but the developers are human. I really hope this hashtag will show them that there are people on the internet who love ME: A. Yeah, I don't think there's been enough of it. A dribble here and there, an occasional tweet to say "thank you", but not a united response that says "We love your damn game and we want more."
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 6, 2017 23:29:19 GMT
Fan sites, fan wikis, cosplay, youtube channels, t-shirts, coffee mugs, figures of our favorite characters - all aspects of fandom and support of a fun thing in entertainment... be it Star Wars or Mass Effect or Lord of the Rings or Dragon Age... none of this is a new thing. So, no, there's nothing strange about a hashtag. #SaveTheQuarians
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Post by brandoftime on Jul 6, 2017 23:30:52 GMT
They heard from many people 5 years ago . . . I would argue this is much more serious, the whole franchise possibly not continuing, let alone the DLC. Yes, I loved this game and hope for DLC - I just want to play even more of it.
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Post by malgus on Jul 6, 2017 23:32:29 GMT
Agreed. The detractors may not realize this, but the developers are human. I really hope this hashtag will show them that there are people on the internet who love ME: A. Yeah, I don't think there's been enough of it. A dribble here and there, an occasional tweet to say "thank you", but not a united response that says "We love your damn game and we want more." True but as much as insensitive and apathetic as I May sound when I'll say this (I hate myselft a bit for saying that) But we need to stay united with the demmands for more content. If we change the campaign of "Savethequarians" to "WeloveMEAandwewantmore" for thanking the developper for mass effect andromeda and telling them that we want more dlc, some people will feel the movment is not representating them and therefore we shall have less support. Because among the one who are asking for more content, there is some who just did not liked the game this much, but they want to see more of Mass effect. Once the content is announced, once SP dlc is confirmed and released, then that would be the best moment to start a campaign for the liking of mass effect andromeda. To tell developpers that they are many who liked their game.
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Post by brandoftime on Jul 6, 2017 23:34:45 GMT
Yes, just think if they only went with more comics or books instead of playable content ): Got to stay focused, I agree.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 6, 2017 23:36:11 GMT
Agreed. The detractors may not realize this, but the developers are human. I really hope this hashtag will show them that there are people on the internet who love ME: A. Yeah, I don't think there's been enough of it. A dribble here and there, an occasional tweet to say "thank you", but not a united response that says "We love your damn game and we want more." Which is why it's good to have this hashtag form, so we can unite.
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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 23:37:19 GMT
Yeah, I don't think there's been enough of it. A dribble here and there, an occasional tweet to say "thank you", but not a united response that says "We love your damn game and we want more." True but as much as insensitive and apathetic as I May sound when I'll say this (I hate myselft a bit for saying that) But we need to stay united with the demmands for more content. If we change the campaign of "Savethequarians" to "WeloveMEAandwewantmore" for thanking the developper for mass effect andromeda and telling them that we want more dlc, some people will feel the movment is not representating them and therefore we shall have less support. Because among the one who are asking for more content, there is some who just did not liked the game this much, but they want to see more of Mass effect. Once the content is announced, once SP dlc is confirmed and released, then that would be the best moment to start a campaign for the liking of mass effect andromeda. To tell developpers that they are many who liked their game. And yet the hashtag says exactly that, "we want more." Sometimes knowing that is enough for content creators, and those who employ them, to know that their work is appreciated. Ungrateful fucknuts don't ask for more. I'm not saying change the hashtag, I'm saying, yell it louder. Put it in all caps if you need to. Bold it. Parenthesize it. Underline it. Whatever, but let them know.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 7, 2017 6:51:19 GMT
Come on guys! Let's keep this thread active!
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Post by qwib on Jul 7, 2017 8:11:23 GMT
So, that brings me back to... maybe it's not needed.... maybe we would get SP DLC in due course without doing anything at all. Still, what is the harm in telling people who worked very hard on something that we enjoyed their work and would like to see the hints they made towards future plot lines finished? People show support for things/people that are already a success all the time. We rally behind a winning team at a ball game. We party in the streets when they win the cup and we tell them that we'll be back when they make another run for the cup the next year. It's not needed, but it's still nice for them to hear. True, I just find it odd how this was never needed/done before for previous Bioware titles. DAO, DA2, DAI, ME1, ME2, and ME3 didn't have/need fans show support for the game through petitions/online movements, so whats so different about MEA? That is untrue. We created a fanbook after ME3 and people gave it to Patrick Weekes, because everyone was bashing the ME3 ending. Creating a book is more effort than signing a petition online.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 7, 2017 8:26:31 GMT
I'll just say that the hue and cry after ME3 is what got the fans the Extended Cut and The Citadel. Hopefully #SaveTheQuarians is seen as positive feedback for Bioware and EA. Exactly. Even if the DLC were currently under development, whether it's the Quarian ark or something else, for months the dev's have faced nothing but the worst of responses. Maybe this is late in coming. Maybe a campaign of dev positivity has been needed to let these poor bastards, who've put in stupidly long hours, know that their work is appreciated.I concur wholeheartedly. It seems I'm not the only customer who found solace and comfort in BioWare products. It's not an entirely proper solution, but it does help me get out of the abysmal mental state I'm in at the time. I workout to beat down that angry energy and when I'm alone with just the dogs, I know I can spend some time with Morrigan, Varric, Garrus, etc. and not have to dwell on things that are now decades old. It's not the same as counseling, but it works for me. Now that the game is pretty much stable on the PS4 and hopefully for the PC, I see myself spending a lot of time in Andromeda. I also have a much clearer understanding what has gone on the past three years at BioWare. All I can say is that the lower-level developers and Mr. Walters managed to produce a VERY GOOD game. At launch, I gave the game a six because I couldn't enjoy the game for more than 30 minutes without something going wrong. After patch 1.05, I upgraded the score to a 7. After this patch, it's an 8 and I'm not going any higher unless the DLC completes the story like it did for Inquisition. Now, I finished my last aborted run (only the second) and I want more. A whole lot more. There was a diamond under all those glitches and now it's all shiny. I want more. MORE! By the way, I've noticed that I have an aversion to periods. I guess I really love "and", "but" and "or" a whole lot. I have Schoolhouse Rock to blame.
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