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Post by Croatsky on Jul 17, 2017 16:57:11 GMT
I'm certain Geth had stumbled upon Meridian, while searching for Reapers in Dark Space. I doubt there are any connections between Andromeda and Milky Way until Andromeda Initiative came.
As for the Benefactor, he or she most likely just knew about the Reapers all along( just lacked full proof evidence until Shepard's events in ME1) and made plans to ditch galaxy. Although likely with plans to take over the AI for himself/herself.
There is a theory the Benefactor is on Hyperion, hence why he/she didn't make a move to take over AI after most of leadership was killed and/or murdered. The Benefactor came 14 months late, as Hyperion temporary drifted away of course in middle of journey in Dark Space. I'm not abaolutely sure about that anymore. Some geth programs could have been riding in that sensor scan that gave the AI their information on the golden worlds to start with. Perhaps geth are the reason the Remnant started to suddenly become agressive (as noted by the Angara on Havarl). They could have had 600 years to establish themselves within the Remnant. We're dealing with software here... anything is possible. I'm certain it is disappearance of Jardaan and the Scourge that caused Remnants to get aggressive.
Considering the Scourge was a weapon that caused Jardaan to evacuate, somewhere, Remnants are just in permanent state of alert to defend their positions. Which will stay until either Jardaan return or someone else figures out to access administrative control of Remnant technology to change their behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 16:59:16 GMT
I could get into a very lengthy and highly political discussion about the complex monetary arrangements that can exist between Canadian companies and their American parent companies... but I won't beyond saying that your comment is very naive. I was going to say "they get the money too". But then I thought it would imply they get as much money in EA which I believe is not true. My point is that they don't work for free. Neither does a counter-person at MacDonald's... does that mean they deserrve the flak they do get from some customers whenever head office changes the menu? The individual franchise owner also doesn't work for free... does that mean he/she should be driven out of business whenever head office changes the menu? Now.... we are really way off topic, so I won't be responding to you again, ok.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 17:02:23 GMT
I was going to say "they get the money too". But then I thought it would imply they get as much money in EA which I believe is not true. My point is that they don't work for free. Neither does a counter-person and MacDonald's... does that mean they deserrve the flak they do get from some customers whenever head office changes the menu? The individual franchise owner also doesn't work for free... does that mean he/she should be driven out of business whenever head office changes the menu? Now.... we are really way off topic, so I won't be responding to you again, ok. But that's a selective example. They would deserve blame if they screw up an order or if they don't kept the establishment in order. The blame might not be entire on Bioware's team, but it's certainly not entirely in EA either.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 17, 2017 17:04:11 GMT
I don't think benefactor from Kett Exaltation facility is the same person as the Benefactor. In fact, I'm pretty sure they used a word "benefactor" more generally there.
Also as of right now, Kett only managed to Exalt the Krogans. And that happened way after Ryder's assault on the Exaltation facility.
So timing is a bit off for benefactor with Kett is same person as the Benefactor. Plus, why would Kett use that persons alias? Kett share something with Qunari, there are no names just titles of position. From what I got from the memories from Alec, the Benefactor had alternate plans for the Arks that was not good, and Jien was growing unsure of them, so they silenced them. My way out theory is, the Benefactor and Kett were working together to bring them more species to Exalt. The Benefactor is their Kett title. I know. Crazy right? lol just a thought until BW explains it in the next game. I doubt it. Kett were in total surprise when Milky Way species arrived to Andromeda, as well they arrived to Heleus Cluster 80 years before AI arrived. And reason why they failed to submit Angara in those 80 years is due to Archon being obsessed with Remnant technology, focusing on trying to take control of the tech instead of Exalting the Angara.
If there is some secret alliance between the Benefactor and Kett, it had came after the arrival of Nexus to Andromeda and formed without Archon's knowledge.
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Post by fchopin on Jul 17, 2017 17:05:40 GMT
I would not mind a DLC so you have my support.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 17:06:43 GMT
I'm not abaolutely sure about that anymore. Some geth programs could have been riding in that sensor scan that gave the AI their information on the golden worlds to start with. Perhaps geth are the reason the Remnant started to suddenly become agressive (as noted by the Angara on Havarl). They could have had 600 years to establish themselves within the Remnant. We're dealing with software here... anything is possible. I'm certain it is disappearance of Jardaan and the Scourge that caused Remnants to get aggressive.
Considering the Scourge was a weapon that caused Jardaan to evacuate, somewhere, Remnants are just in permanent state of alert to defend their positions. Which will stay until either Jardaan return or someone else figures out to access administrative control of Remnant technology to change their behavior. Well, we are into territory now that I haven't reached yet in the game... but I will speculate...
Could the scourge be geth programs (there is no restriction to the form they could take and 600 years is "centuries old"?
I really do think there are just so many possible ways Bioware could go with what they've set up in ME:A... ME:A 2 could be a REALLY exciting game. I do hope we get there... and since I'm old, I really hope I don't die before we do.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 17, 2017 17:07:07 GMT
I'm certain it is disappearance of Jardaan and the Scourge that caused Remnants to get aggressive.
Considering the Scourge was a weapon that caused Jardaan to evacuate, somewhere, Remnants are just in permanent state of alert to defend their positions. Which will stay until either Jardaan return or someone else figures out to access administrative control of Remnant technology to change their behavior. Doesn't your twin manage to make the Remnant behave? Also they stop attacking when I reset a vault too. Yes, but it comes at cost of heavy physical pain without SAM's help.
And control seem to be localized, instead of all across the cluster. As well it appears it needs constant connection with the user.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 17:12:44 GMT
Neither does a counter-person and MacDonald's... does that mean they deserrve the flak they do get from some customers whenever head office changes the menu? The individual franchise owner also doesn't work for free... does that mean he/she should be driven out of business whenever head office changes the menu? Now.... we are really way off topic, so I won't be responding to you again, ok. But that's a selective example. They would deserve blame if they screw up an order or if they don't kept the establishment in order. The blame might not be entire on Bioware's team, but it's certainly not entirely in EA either. I have said before the Bioware is responsible for the bugs in the game at release... and they have taken steps to correct that by patching the game. Much like the counter person who takes the screwed up order back to the kitchen and comes back with a "fixed" order. That people don't like the story is their own problem. I'm sure you've read books you haven't liked... Should you be able to go back on the author(s) and demand they rewrite the book so you like it or tell the author it's their fault they wrote a book you didn't like? Of course not. (Now, I realize I'm breaking my first rule... but for sure now, I'm stopping responding.)
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Post by smilesja on Jul 17, 2017 17:14:52 GMT
I thought the game was dead the detractors told me!
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 17, 2017 17:18:41 GMT
I'm certain it is disappearance of Jardaan and the Scourge that caused Remnants to get aggressive.
Considering the Scourge was a weapon that caused Jardaan to evacuate, somewhere, Remnants are just in permanent state of alert to defend their positions. Which will stay until either Jardaan return or someone else figures out to access administrative control of Remnant technology to change their behavior. Well, we are into territory now that I haven't reached yet in the game... but I will speculate...
Could the scourge be geth programs (there is no restriction to the form they could take and 600 years is "centuries old"?
I really do think there are just so many possible ways Bioware could go with what they've set up in ME:A... ME:A 2 could be a REALLY exciting game. I do hope we get there... and since I'm old, I really hope I don't die before we do. I doubt Geth were capable to interact with Andromeda in real time, whatever intentionally or unintentionally.
Also we know that Jardaan were attacked by faction called Jheln. Whatever they are separate species or opposition faction within same species is right now an unknown.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 17, 2017 17:19:44 GMT
The point being made is that there's no reason to believe that Eurogamer's source is different to Kotaku's. Eurogamer may not be directly reporting Kotaku's story but if they're approaching the same person/people, then it effectively is. Neither news outlet would know and would have no way of verifying it either way short of comparing notes. That's generally the problem with anonymous sources and why I suspect that Eurogamer barely mention them. Being realistic, which is more likely? The same individuals breaking NDA and making bucks off two cashflows or exactly two and only two independent sources choosing to specifically talk to one journalist each? That's possible. Regardless, it makes the news more credible. That's not how credibility works. That's how rumours work. Unless, of course, you think all the Roman slaves really are called Spartacus.
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Post by sil on Jul 17, 2017 17:22:06 GMT
That's possible. Regardless, it makes the news more credible. That's not how credibility works. That's how rumours work. Unless, of course, you think all the Roman slaves really are called Spartacus. B..but... I'm Spartacus...!
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 17, 2017 17:32:07 GMT
That's not how credibility works. That's how rumours work. Unless, of course, you think all the Roman slaves really are called Spartacus. B..but... I'm Spartacus...!
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 17:59:59 GMT
But that's a selective example. They would deserve blame if they screw up an order or if they don't kept the establishment in order. The blame might not be entire on Bioware's team, but it's certainly not entirely in EA either. That people don't like the story is their own problem. I'm sure you've read books you haven't liked... Should you be able to go back on the author(s) and demand they rewrite the book so you like it or tell the author it's their fault they wrote a book you didn't like? Of course not. Of course not indeed. But if an author that is known for great books write a bad one I think it's ok to say it's a bad one and that's its his fault the book isn't good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 18:10:23 GMT
That people don't like the story is their own problem. I'm sure you've read books you haven't liked... Should you be able to go back on the author(s) and demand they rewrite the book so you like it or tell the author it's their fault they wrote a book you didn't like? Of course not. Of course not indeed. But if an author that is known for great books write a bad one I think it's ok to say it's a bad one and that's its his fault the book isn't good. ... here I go answering you again. The problem is that people who are calling ME:A a "bad" game are doing so because they just don't like the story. They didn't like the premise to start with. I said... if you don't like the story that's your problem... not Bioware's fault. There are people here who do like the story, who do not find ME:A to be a "bad" game. TW3 has objectively bad writing... For example, "lemme" is not a word, yet they use it consistently in their dialogue wheels. What people here a calling "objectively bad" writing is a matter of their tastes... They don't like the humorous style of the game, so they trash it. Worse, they trash the people who do. None of that is Bioware's "fault." Back to my original post - Believe Kotaku if you want... but then have the guts to believe the entire article... and that article clearly says that the "DLC cancelled" decision could change... i.e. it's not a final one and his source could not say it was a final one. Don't select the part you want to believe and ignore that fact. Believe Eurogamer if you want, but again, believe the whole thing... They say no DLC is planned AT THIS TIME... which means it could be planned for some unspecified time in the future.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 19:30:02 GMT
Of course not indeed. But if an author that is known for great books write a bad one I think it's ok to say it's a bad one and that's its his fault the book isn't good. ... here I go answering you again. The problem is that people who are calling ME:A a "bad" game are doing so because they just don't like the story. They didn't like the premise to start with. I said... if you don't like the story that's your problem... not Bioware's fault. There are people here who do like the story, who do not find ME:A to be a "bad" game. TW3 has objectively bad writing... For example, "lemme" is not a word, yet they use it consistently in their dialogue wheels. What people here a calling "objectively bad" writing is a matter of their tastes... They don't like the humorous style of the game, so they trash it. Worse, they trash the people who do. None of that is Bioware's "fault." Maybe some, but I dare say most are not. I'm not. I didn't like the Arks, they were a massive retcon and were very poorly explained. But I was willing to give Andromed a chance. The idea of exploration, of discovering new things was an interesting one but they failed to... explore that. You can make excuses to why neither the general audience nor game critics liked the game, or at least thought it was not nearly as good as the OT, but I the easiest explanation is that Andromeda isn't really a great game. It's average, and people expects much more than average from Bioware.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 19:30:37 GMT
Of course not indeed. But if an author that is known for great books write a bad one I think it's ok to say it's a bad one and that's its his fault the book isn't good. Doesn't mean the people that enjoyed it should be punished for it by being hung out to dry. That's why I put the blame more on EA. They will cater to the money not the fans. But they gave Bioware 5 years to make Andromeda, that's why I don't.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 17, 2017 19:37:27 GMT
The biggest retcon is the star child.
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... here I go answering you again. The problem is that people who are calling ME:A a "bad" game are doing so because they just don't like the story. They didn't like the premise to start with. I said... if you don't like the story that's your problem... not Bioware's fault. There are people here who do like the story, who do not find ME:A to be a "bad" game. TW3 has objectively bad writing... For example, "lemme" is not a word, yet they use it consistently in their dialogue wheels. What people here a calling "objectively bad" writing is a matter of their tastes... They don't like the humorous style of the game, so they trash it. Worse, they trash the people who do. None of that is Bioware's "fault." Maybe some, but I dare say most are not. I'm not. I didn't like the Arks, they were a massive retcon and were very poorly explained. But I was willing to give Andromed a chance. The idea of exploration, of discovering new things was an interesting one but they failed to... explore that. You can make excuses to why neither the general audience nor game critics liked the game, or at least thought it was not nearly as good as the OT, but I the easiest explanation is that Andromeda isn't really a great game. It's average, and people expects much more than average from Bioware. That still has to do with tastes... likes and dislikes... not objective things that can be quantified... like bad grammar. If you order something you just don't like off a menu, generally you don't get to send it back and get a free meal of something you do like. Some restaurants will be very, very nice and do such an exchange, but they don't have to and many won't, they'll cook you another meal, but you will wind up paying at least something for both plates. If they do provide a free exchange... it's superior, above and beyond service... but they should not be "faulted" if they don't. I have absolutely no problem with people here saying they don't like the game. I don't like it when they say things like "you're delusional, for having some hope and believing DLC is possible" or "you like the game because you have bad tastes (both of which have been said directly to me on this forum). This thread is not about telling Bioware you didn't like the game. It's about generating some support/encouragement to Bioware for a future DLC for the game. There are a ton of threads where you can tell Bioware you don't like the game... so go, use those threads. Why insist on posting such arguments here?
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 17, 2017 20:08:44 GMT
... here I go answering you again. The problem is that people who are calling ME:A a "bad" game are doing so because they just don't like the story. They didn't like the premise to start with. I said... if you don't like the story that's your problem... not Bioware's fault. There are people here who do like the story, who do not find ME:A to be a "bad" game. TW3 has objectively bad writing... For example, "lemme" is not a word, yet they use it consistently in their dialogue wheels. What people here a calling "objectively bad" writing is a matter of their tastes... They don't like the humorous style of the game, so they trash it. Worse, they trash the people who do. None of that is Bioware's "fault." Maybe some, but I dare say most are not. I'm not. I didn't like the Arks, they were a massive retcon and were very poorly explained. But I was willing to give Andromed a chance. The idea of exploration, of discovering new things was an interesting one but they failed to... explore that. You can make excuses to why neither the general audience nor game critics liked the game, or at least thought it was not nearly as good as the OT, but I the easiest explanation is that Andromeda isn't really a great game. It's average, and people expects much more than average from Bioware. Calling MEA 'average', in its current state, is a stretch. It's not the easiest game to compare things to and to a certain extent, it's not possible to put an objective score on how a game plays... but I'd argue 'average' is a middle of the road game, a 5 on a crude 10-point scale. While I'd fully agree that it was wildly inconsistent and had severe pacing issues, this puts it in the same vein as stuff like Technomancer and Shadow Warrior 2, only slightly ahead of Aliens: Colonial Marines, and well below the likes of Destiny. Given what it managed to achieve with it's engine, it's loyalty missions, and those peaks that went alongside the troughs, I can't really take anyone seriously saying that.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 20:56:17 GMT
Maybe some, but I dare say most are not. I'm not. I didn't like the Arks, they were a massive retcon and were very poorly explained. But I was willing to give Andromed a chance. The idea of exploration, of discovering new things was an interesting one but they failed to... explore that. You can make excuses to why neither the general audience nor game critics liked the game, or at least thought it was not nearly as good as the OT, but I the easiest explanation is that Andromeda isn't really a great game. It's average, and people expects much more than average from Bioware. That still has to do with tastes... likes and dislikes... not objective things that can be quantified... like bad grammar. If you order something you just don't like off a menu, generally you don't get to send it back and get a free meal of something you do like. Some restaurants will be very, very nice and do such an exchange, but they don't have to and many won't, they'll cook you another meal, but you will wind up paying at least something for both plates. If they do provide a free exchange... it's superior, above and beyond service... but they should not be "faulted" if they don't. I have absolutely no problem with people here saying they don't like the game. I don't like it when they say things like "you're delusional, for having some hope and believing DLC is possible" or "you like the game because you have bad tastes (both of which have been said directly to me on this forum). This thread is not about telling Bioware you didn't like the game. It's about generating some support/encouragement to Bioware for a future DLC for the game. There are a ton of threads where you can tell Bioware you don't like the game... so go, use those threads. Why insist on posting such arguments here? I think the restaurant analogue is asking for a food you do like and get it badly done and disliking it because it wasn't done properly. But anyway, I don't think anyone is delusional for beliving in a DLC. It's unlikely at this point, but I have nothing against yet and I feel people can hope for whatever they like.
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Post by Nord Ronnoc on Jul 18, 2017 1:15:17 GMT
That still has to do with tastes... likes and dislikes... not objective things that can be quantified... like bad grammar. If you order something you just don't like off a menu, generally you don't get to send it back and get a free meal of something you do like. Some restaurants will be very, very nice and do such an exchange, but they don't have to and many won't, they'll cook you another meal, but you will wind up paying at least something for both plates. If they do provide a free exchange... it's superior, above and beyond service... but they should not be "faulted" if they don't. I have absolutely no problem with people here saying they don't like the game. I don't like it when they say things like "you're delusional, for having some hope and believing DLC is possible" or "you like the game because you have bad tastes (both of which have been said directly to me on this forum). This thread is not about telling Bioware you didn't like the game. It's about generating some support/encouragement to Bioware for a future DLC for the game. There are a ton of threads where you can tell Bioware you don't like the game... so go, use those threads. Why insist on posting such arguments here? I think the restaurant analogue is asking for a food you do like and get it badly done and disliking it because it wasn't done properly. But anyway, I don't think anyone is delusional for beliving in a DLC. It's unlikely at this point, but I have nothing against yet and I feel people can hope for whatever they like. If you're still complaining about the game, there're other things to try out. No one's stopping you.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 18, 2017 4:39:36 GMT
I think the restaurant analogue is asking for a food you do like and get it badly done and disliking it because it wasn't done properly. But anyway, I don't think anyone is delusional for beliving in a DLC. It's unlikely at this point, but I have nothing against yet and I feel people can hope for whatever they like. If you're still complaining about the game, there're other things to try out. No one's stopping you. I'm doing that.
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Post by Nord Ronnoc on Jul 18, 2017 9:17:14 GMT
If you're still complaining about the game, there're other things to try out. No one's stopping you. I'm doing that. So do it, then. Don't just talk about it. We're all better off, anyway. Maybe you should've done that in the first place, save you and everyone else a headache.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 18, 2017 13:54:27 GMT
So do it, then. Don't just talk about it. We're all better off, anyway. Maybe you should've done that in the first place, save you and everyone else a headache. Sometimes I like to talk about Andromeda, even if it's to say I find it lacking. And if I give someone a headache simply because I think Andromeda is a mediocre game then I apologize, that's not my intention. People should enjoy the game regardless of the general opinion about it. And maybe if they get a headache because of what other people think, they should avoid reading what other people think.
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