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Post by kino on Jul 23, 2017 0:25:14 GMT
If the Quarian faces are revealed in the DLC, would you rather... They look somewhat human-like? This would make sense since lore-wise, Quarians are rumoured to be the most "human-looking", even more so than the Asari, since they apparently have hair as well. Exampleor... They look completely alien and "non-attractive" (if you get what I mean by this). ExampleI think...I would like them to look like whatever they've been rumoured to look like. That's the closest to lore abt their appearance that we have. So, "human looking" in their way. That photo from ME3, although photoshopped, is still the closest we have to precedence. They should just run with that idea, otherwise Tali is now the outlier and every other Quarian looks really "alien". Yeah, I'm going with "precedence" as well. You change it now and the ME3 reveal is invalidated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 0:34:51 GMT
If the Quarian faces are revealed in the DLC, would you rather... They look somewhat human-like? This would make sense since lore-wise, Quarians are rumoured to be the most "human-looking", even more so than the Asari, since they apparently have hair as well. Exampleor... They look completely alien and "non-attractive" (if you get what I mean by this). ExampleI think...I would like them to look like whatever they've been rumoured to look like. That's the closest to lore abt their appearance that we have. So, "human looking" in their way. That photo from ME3, although photoshopped, is still the closest we have to precedence. They should just run with that idea, otherwise Tali is now the outlier and every other Quarian looks really "alien". I concur.
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Post by sil on Jul 23, 2017 9:57:46 GMT
Yeah, the Quarians should look like Tali. It's been established in ME3, we don't need to have massive retcons. Retcons generally suck ass.
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Post by Serza on Jul 23, 2017 10:05:15 GMT
Slight retcon, maybe? From a stock image to something like this? (Also can someone clarify if that's actually concept art? Because I haven't found 100% source on that one.)
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 23, 2017 10:13:21 GMT
If the Quarian faces are revealed in the DLC, would you rather... They look somewhat human-like? This would make sense since lore-wise, Quarians are rumoured to be the most "human-looking", even more so than the Asari, since they apparently have hair as well. Exampleor... They look completely alien and "non-attractive" (if you get what I mean by this). ExampleI don't really mind, so long as they respect what we already know regarding quarian faces (i.e. eyes largely being milky-white and apparently missing irises and pupils altogether, roughly equivalent-to-human upper facial proportions, human-like protruding nose). Tbh the biggest solid difference I can see above is the hair. I would assume hair (or something similar) is more likely than not given that female quarians tend to use headscarf things alongside the helmets while males do not, implying a similar breakdown in hairstyles over gender to humans. The only actual canon description of a maskless/suitless quarian is in one of the Mass Effect novels (Deception, I think). It doesn't really say anything about how they look.
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Post by kino on Jul 23, 2017 15:58:02 GMT
Slight retcon, maybe? From a stock image to something like this? (Also can someone clarify if that's actually concept art? Because I haven't found 100% source on that one.) It's from the Matt Rhode's gallery, I believe. He was a concept artist for ME2 and 3. I remember there being an article about it several years ago.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 23, 2017 22:42:46 GMT
Slight retcon, maybe? From a stock image to something like this? (Also can someone clarify if that's actually concept art? Because I haven't found 100% source on that one.) If that was used in the game, a bunch of people would've complained about "space elves," nevermind that pretty much any bipedal humanoid gets thrown into the "elves" junk-drawer, no matter how consistent or effective the design actually is.
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Post by Serza on Jul 23, 2017 23:28:23 GMT
Sadly enough...
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Post by Vortex13 on Jul 24, 2017 3:48:43 GMT
Partially serious rant incoming: You know, the more I think about the lore reasons behind the Quarian Ark's predicament the more I shake my head at the utter incompetence on part of the Andromeda Initiative. At first I thought that the biggest sin of the program was thinking that sending thousands upon thousands of people into unknown, and likely hostile, space without any form of defensive armament for their vehicles was a good idea, but now that I look back and take into account all the info surrounding the Quarian Ark the more I see that the rampant stupidity surrounding that former decision was actually the least of the group's problems. So instead of sending the two dextro species on the same Ark, the Initiative leads thought it a good idea to not only separate the only two species who can eat each other's food onto separate ships, but to also have the one immune-weakened dextro-based species share a very limited amount of space with at least four other alien species. These other alien races not only can't eat the same food that the Quarians can, but one has to have high pressure ammonia-based atmosphere to survive, another is an aquatic species, and another requires a completely separate level of gravity to function properly. And that's not even counting additional species that could have been crammed on this "everyone else" Ark; it's a long shot but hey, if we're bringing the whole gang over I hope to see the Rachni too. Now if that's not criminal levels of oversight, or some deliberate act of racism on some analyst's part I don't know what is. What's more, every other species gets their own separate ark as well as space on the Nexus. So much space in fact that despite them losing contact with the other arks, they had enough of a population for each of the other species to split into civil war and still have enough left after that to establish separate colonies. Honestly, even if the Salarian, Turian, Asari, or Human arks were lost, with only Ryder & Co surviving, there is enough people on the Nexus to carry on each respective species. So what? Couldn't spare a few cryo-bays for a small population of Volus or Elcor? They'd rather have the Hanar and the Drell ride the "short bus" of the Initiative as their one and only shot at survival in a new galaxy? Were the Quarians so undesirable that they didn't even get a few freezers at HQ in case of an emergency? Seriously, the Council and their: Ah yes 'Reapers' schtick are veritable saints compared to this level of brain dead. You know what, screw the Humans and Asari, and to hell with the Turians and Salarians, the passengers of the Quarian Ark are the true underdogs of Andromeda.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jul 24, 2017 6:02:34 GMT
If the Quarian faces are revealed in the DLC, would you rather... They look somewhat human-like? This would make sense since lore-wise, Quarians are rumoured to be the most "human-looking", even more so than the Asari, since they apparently have hair as well. Exampleor... They look completely alien and "non-attractive" (if you get what I mean by this). ExampleI prefer human-like and attractive
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Post by bshep on Jul 24, 2017 8:03:01 GMT
They are human-like from what we saw of Tali's face and one of the epilogue images from the Extended Cut.
Now the real question (assuming there is DLC) is if bioware will finally show something or it will just be the same old masks.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 24, 2017 11:48:04 GMT
So instead of sending the two dextro species on the same Ark, the Initiative leads thought it a good idea to not only separate the only two species who can eat each other's food onto separate ships, but to also have the one immune-weakened dextro-based species share a very limited amount of space with at least four other alien species. These other alien races not only can't eat the same food that the Quarians can, but one has to have high pressure ammonia-based atmosphere to survive, another is an aquatic species, and another requires a completely separate level of gravity to function properly. And that's not even counting additional species that could have been crammed on this "everyone else" Ark; it's a long shot but hey, if we're bringing the whole gang over I hope to see the Rachni too. Now if that's not criminal levels of oversight, or some deliberate act of racism on some analyst's part I don't know what is. Classic compromise scenario - taken from one angle, it looks like insanity. On paper, everything you said is true. However, to a certain extent the Ark's makeup was determined by money. The Turians, like the other species, likely funded their own Ark, and as a massive economy with public service mindset, it stands to reason that they considered it very much the turian contingent of the Initiative rather than simply a dextro-amino Ark. The names of each Ark tend to indicate the client species very much saw them as 'theirs'. The AI itself pretty clearly didn't have total financial control. The Quarians, not having the sheer economic might of the other species but being argurably better engineers, chose to parlay their technical skill into extra funding by inviting the other species on as partners - whatever technical hurdles would be compensated by actually having the cash to make it happen. Of course, that means the Quarian Ark is carrying large contingents of non-quarians. Ergo the current situation. The AI itself was, frankly, an odd organisation to begin with and pretty clearly had a hidden agenda running below the hood (as evidence by the stuff learned from Garson) but tbh the situation with the Quarian Ark doesn't even venture into that area. It's just a case of practicality overriding isolated issues.
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Post by Vortex13 on Jul 24, 2017 13:23:53 GMT
So instead of sending the two dextro species on the same Ark, the Initiative leads thought it a good idea to not only separate the only two species who can eat each other's food onto separate ships, but to also have the one immune-weakened dextro-based species share a very limited amount of space with at least four other alien species. These other alien races not only can't eat the same food that the Quarians can, but one has to have high pressure ammonia-based atmosphere to survive, another is an aquatic species, and another requires a completely separate level of gravity to function properly. And that's not even counting additional species that could have been crammed on this "everyone else" Ark; it's a long shot but hey, if we're bringing the whole gang over I hope to see the Rachni too. Now if that's not criminal levels of oversight, or some deliberate act of racism on some analyst's part I don't know what is. Classic compromise scenario - taken from one angle, it looks like insanity. On paper, everything you said is true. However, to a certain extent the Ark's makeup was determined by money. The Turians, like the other species, likely funded their own Ark, and as a massive economy with public service mindset, it stands to reason that they considered it very much the turian contingent of the Initiative rather than simply a dextro-amino Ark. The names of each Ark tend to indicate the client species very much saw them as 'theirs'. The AI itself pretty clearly didn't have total financial control. The Quarians, not having the sheer economic might of the other species but being argurably better engineers, chose to parlay their technical skill into extra funding by inviting the other species on as partners - whatever technical hurdles would be compensated by actually having the cash to make it happen. Of course, that means the Quarian Ark is carrying large contingents of non-quarians. Ergo the current situation. The AI itself was, frankly, an odd organisation to begin with and pretty clearly had a hidden agenda running below the hood (as evidence by the stuff learned from Garson) but tbh the situation with the Quarian Ark doesn't even venture into that area. It's just a case of practicality overriding isolated issues. What about the lack of Quarians, Elcor, Volus, etc. on the Nexus then? Everyone else has enough of a population on that "Not-Citadel" to maintain a viable population even after losing contact with their primary ark and breaking down into waring factions with the formation of the Outlaws. Heck, you could go through Heleus and completely ignore the other arks and still run across hundreds of Humans, Turians, Asari and Salarians, both as initiative members, as well as marauding pirates that Ryder & Co murder by the dozens. Seems a little elitist on behalf of the Andromeda Initiative that all the other species basically get a back up plan in extra population, whereas the passengers of the Quarian ark are left twisting in the wind. I mean, even the Krogan, who in-universe are seen as little more than rampaging brutes compared to the engineering proficient Quarians and economic minded Volus, are given a free ride on the Nexus and have an ample supply of people to establish a colony as well as go join the outlaws. Either the Initiative's leadership is so moronic that it's a miracle they didn't all swallow their own tongues before Ryder showed up and solved everyone's problems. Or, they are intentionally leaving specific species vulnerable to total extinction in Andromeda in favor of others.
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Post by SpaceBard on Jul 24, 2017 15:16:39 GMT
Classic compromise scenario - taken from one angle, it looks like insanity. On paper, everything you said is true. However, to a certain extent the Ark's makeup was determined by money. The Turians, like the other species, likely funded their own Ark, and as a massive economy with public service mindset, it stands to reason that they considered it very much the turian contingent of the Initiative rather than simply a dextro-amino Ark. The names of each Ark tend to indicate the client species very much saw them as 'theirs'. The AI itself pretty clearly didn't have total financial control. The Quarians, not having the sheer economic might of the other species but being argurably better engineers, chose to parlay their technical skill into extra funding by inviting the other species on as partners - whatever technical hurdles would be compensated by actually having the cash to make it happen. Of course, that means the Quarian Ark is carrying large contingents of non-quarians. Ergo the current situation. The AI itself was, frankly, an odd organisation to begin with and pretty clearly had a hidden agenda running below the hood (as evidence by the stuff learned from Garson) but tbh the situation with the Quarian Ark doesn't even venture into that area. It's just a case of practicality overriding isolated issues. What about the lack of Quarians, Elcor, Volus, etc. on the Nexus then? Everyone else has enough of a population on that "Not-Citadel" to maintain a viable population even after losing contact with their primary ark and breaking down into waring factions with the formation of the Outlaws. Heck, you could go through Heleus and completely ignore the other arks and still run across hundreds of Humans, Turians, Asari and Salarians, both as initiative members, as well as murdering pirates that Ryder & Co murder by the dozens. Seems a little elitist on behalf of the Andromeda Initiative that all the other species basically get a back up plan in extra population, whereas the passengers of the Quarian ark are left twisting in the wind. I mean, even the Krogan, who in-universe are seen as little more than rampaging brutes compared to the engineering proficient Quarians and economic minded Volus, are given a free ride on the Nexus and have an ample supply of people to establish a colony as well as go join the outlaws. Either the Initiative's leadership is so moronic that it's a miracle they didn't all swallow their own tongues before Ryder showed up and solved everyone's problems. Or, they are intentionally leaving specific species vulnerable to total extinction in Andromeda in favor of others. Well, volus, hanar and elcor are species whit well healthy economy, they have proper capactity to build they own ark. But we dont't know the problem of the construction... yet, as well they agreements. I concour on the points of Vortex13 , and I think is unbeliveble the economic rich races was left behind by the Andromeda Initiative like they can't do any diference on a construction of the Nexus, the arks and of the Initiative in general, plus they may have some individuals on the leadership, a very well restarting and a new oportunity for hiting a new importance the they never has in the Milk Way. The quarians have a distinct economy sistem, and they definitely they have many individuals that want to settle. But, if the Initiative demand the quarians to share they Ark, it will make shure that "lesser species of the Milk Way" will be ostracized and unconected to initiative and reforce the racial segregation like in the Milk Way. I just hope some suprise on the new history arc of the game.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 24, 2017 16:06:48 GMT
What about the lack of Quarians, Elcor, Volus, etc. on the Nexus then? Everyone else has enough of a population on that "Not-Citadel" to maintain a viable population even after losing contact with their primary ark and breaking down into waring factions with the formation of the Outlaws. Heck, you could go through Heleus and completely ignore the other arks and still run across hundreds of Humans, Turians, Asari and Salarians, both as initiative members, as well as marauding pirates that Ryder & Co murder by the dozens. Seems a little elitist on behalf of the Andromeda Initiative that all the other species basically get a back up plan in extra population, whereas the passengers of the Quarian ark are left twisting in the wind. I mean, even the Krogan, who in-universe are seen as little more than rampaging brutes compared to the engineering proficient Quarians and economic minded Volus, are given a free ride on the Nexus and have an ample supply of people to establish a colony as well as go join the outlaws. Either the Initiative's leadership is so moronic that it's a miracle they didn't all swallow their own tongues before Ryder showed up and solved everyone's problems. Or, they are intentionally leaving specific species vulnerable to total extinction in Andromeda in favor of others. Tbh I think you're reading way too much into it. Quarians, Elcor, Hanar and Volus all require very specific environments that differ significantly from both each other and of all the existing Nexus species, who can comfortably co-exist in the same environment. Given the various resource constraints and risks taken by the Nexus itself (being the first to arrive and also only 50% complete), I find it far more likely that a decision was taken to postpone these facilities into the next 50% of the station rather than some weird, institutionalised racism going on against all non-Human/Asari/Salarian/Turians. It makes no sense at all to place members of species that require these facilities before they're actually built, particularly when there's limited cryo space. I mean, what would the purpose be? The Krogan are a bit of special case as they're not occupying any real leadership role in the project - they bartered their way onto it by trading their muscle for a chance to make a fresh start. And, of course, of all the species involved in the AI, they require the least environmental considerations.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 25, 2017 10:19:11 GMT
So I've been toying with this idea in my head.
What if DLC development was in fact frozen, temporarily. As in EA and BioWare decided they need to focus heavily on patching the game first, so DLC development got postponned. This wouldn't be first time EA had done that, as Battlefield 4 DLC development was also frozen until DICE was able to release massive patches to fix the game.
Key difference is that EA and DICE explained that publicly with BF4, but that was due to BF4 having Season Pass. So those Season Pass owners needed to be informed that DLC's were delayed. Mass Effect Andromeda has no Season Pass and BioWare never had practice to reveal they'll be post-release DLC's.
So perhaps that's why we're not getting any mentions nor announcements from SP Story DLC. Real development for it didn't even start yet, due to focus on patches. But with soft re-release of ME:A after 1.09 Patch, perhaps BioWare is finally gonna focus on developing SP Story DLC's.
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Post by link2twenty on Jul 25, 2017 10:26:50 GMT
So I've been toying with this idea in my head. What if DLC development was in fact frozen, temporarily. As in EA and BioWare decided they need to focus heavily on patching the game first, so DLC development got postponned. This wouldn't be first time EA had done that, as Battlefield 4 DLC development was also frozen until DICE was able to release massive patches to fix the game. Key difference is that EA and DICE explained that publicly with BF4, but that was due to BF4 having Season Pass. So those Season Pass owners needed to be informed that DLC's were delayed. Mass Effect Andromeda has no Season Pass and BioWare never had practice to reveal they'll be post-release DLC's. So perhaps that's why we're not getting any mentions nor announcements from SP Story DLC. Real development for it didn't even start yet, due to focus on patches. But with soft re-release of ME:A after 1.09 Patch, perhaps BioWare is finally gonna focus on developing SP Story DLC's. I remember reading a tweet from a while ago (though I can't remember who from, Ian maybe) saying ME:A's plan hadn't changed it has just had to be rearranged a little.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 25, 2017 10:28:57 GMT
I think...I would like them to look like whatever they've been rumoured to look like. That's the closest to lore abt their appearance that we have. So, "human looking" in their way. That photo from ME3, although photoshopped, is still the closest we have to precedence. They should just run with that idea, otherwise Tali is now the outlier and every other Quarian looks really "alien". Yeah, I'm going with "precedence" as well. You change it now and the ME3 reveal is invalidated. Also Turians, Salarians and Krogans got redesigned in ME Andromeda. It would not be far fetched to think they'd redesign Quarians, when only thing they have is a weak photoshop work of Tali picture.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 25, 2017 11:20:56 GMT
So I've been toying with this idea in my head. What if DLC development was in fact frozen, temporarily. As in EA and BioWare decided they need to focus heavily on patching the game first, so DLC development got postponned. This wouldn't be first time EA had done that, as Battlefield 4 DLC development was also frozen until DICE was able to release massive patches to fix the game. Key difference is that EA and DICE explained that publicly with BF4, but that was due to BF4 having Season Pass. So those Season Pass owners needed to be informed that DLC's were delayed. Mass Effect Andromeda has no Season Pass and BioWare never had practice to reveal they'll be post-release DLC's. So perhaps that's why we're not getting any mentions nor announcements from SP Story DLC. Real development for it didn't even start yet, due to focus on patches. But with soft re-release of ME:A after 1.09 Patch, perhaps BioWare is finally gonna focus on developing SP Story DLC's. Yea, thats the only good thing about Season Passes. Publishers and Devlopers have to be transparent about what there working on. Instead you'll just get this awkward responses anytime you ask a dev on the state of dlc.
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Post by kino on Jul 25, 2017 14:51:32 GMT
Yeah, I'm going with "precedence" as well. You change it now and the ME3 reveal is invalidated. Also Turians, Salarians and Krogans got redesigned in ME Andromeda. It would not be far fetched to think they'd redesign Quarians, when only thing they have is a weak photoshop work of Tali picture. The Turians, Salarians and Krogans still look like Turians, Salarians and Krogans. A little different, but nothing that made the player think, "hey, what's that?" BW could update the Quarian design but a wholesale rework of the Tali reveal invalidates the picture of Tali. It might've been a lazy picture but it's still the canon at this point.
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Post by merlinistyle on Jul 25, 2017 15:43:21 GMT
So i was just doing planet exploration. Found an anomaly, pretty casual and such. But what cought my eye, among all the junk, got listed from this ship, there was a quarian processor of some sort. I dont know, if it was there all along or they added it recently, i just dont pay attention, in general. Can comeone confirm, that quarian junk is scattered across the Helious cluster right from the very launch?
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Post by corsair on Jul 25, 2017 15:48:32 GMT
So i was just doing planet exploration. Found an anomaly, pretty casual and such. But what cought my eye, among all the junk, got listed from this ship, there was a quarian processor of some sort. I dont know, if it was there all along or they added it recently, i just dont pay attention, in general. Can comeone confirm, that quarian junk is scattered across the Helious cluster right from the very launch? Yes, it is
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Post by merlinistyle on Jul 25, 2017 15:50:41 GMT
So i was just doing planet exploration. Found an anomaly, pretty casual and such. But what cought my eye, among all the junk, got listed from this ship, there was a quarian processor of some sort. I dont know, if it was there all along or they added it recently, i just dont pay attention, in general. Can comeone confirm, that quarian junk is scattered across the Helious cluster right from the very launch? Yes, it is Thanks.
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Post by antmarch456 on Jul 26, 2017 3:51:15 GMT
So I've been toying with this idea in my head. What if DLC development was in fact frozen, temporarily. As in EA and BioWare decided they need to focus heavily on patching the game first, so DLC development got postponned. This wouldn't be first time EA had done that, as Battlefield 4 DLC development was also frozen until DICE was able to release massive patches to fix the game. Key difference is that EA and DICE explained that publicly with BF4, but that was due to BF4 having Season Pass. So those Season Pass owners needed to be informed that DLC's were delayed. Mass Effect Andromeda has no Season Pass and BioWare never had practice to reveal they'll be post-release DLC's. So perhaps that's why we're not getting any mentions nor announcements from SP Story DLC. Real development for it didn't even start yet, due to focus on patches. But with soft re-release of ME:A after 1.09 Patch, perhaps BioWare is finally gonna focus on developing SP Story DLC's. I remember reading a tweet from a while ago (though I can't remember who from, Ian maybe) saying ME:A's plan hadn't changed it has just had to be rearranged a little. Source? This sounds really promising.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 26, 2017 5:16:11 GMT
Did anyone receive a survey from EA?
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