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Post by griffith82 on Jul 8, 2017 21:54:30 GMT
He's upset I see no anger there. Seriously? The whole human scum and circle jerking didn't do it for you? Again give it a rest he's upset and venting and he's not wrong. By the way nice to meet you pot I'm Kettle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 21:54:40 GMT
In the end, we still know that they can't comment on future projects, like they've been saying from before Schreier's delusional hit-piece. They almost certainly have a specific date that's been long-planned to announce the DLC. Which I'm sure the scum who pushed the "no DLC" garbage know perfectly well. They get their clicks, while the developers get hounded, abused, and threatened and fans are conned into feeling disappointed and angry. It must be great to work at BioWare. Make the greatest games in the world, get nonstop abuse because a psychotic vocal minority genuinely wants you to die for not making exactly what those people think you're obligated to make, and have gaming "journalists" openly pander to a horde of trolls who hurl misogynistic and homophobic abuse at your staff and fans. Oh man... Yeah... don't touch that with a 10 foot pole...
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 8, 2017 21:55:23 GMT
The overactive entitlement of the internet is what is to blame hence us. Internet Trolls didn't stopped both ME3 abd DAI from having three great story DLC. Why would that be a excuse now? My point exactly.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 8, 2017 21:56:14 GMT
The overactive entitlement of the internet is what is to blame hence us. What has that got to do with anything? EA/BioWare is a business first and foremost. If they run the numbers and see that it's profitable to make and release SP DLC, they'll do so. If it's not, they won't. In normal circumstances yes, in this case however they could choose to just not take the risk thanks to the unnecessary hate backlash.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 8, 2017 21:57:01 GMT
Internet Trolls didn't stopped both ME3 abd DAI from having three great story DLC. Why would that be a excuse now? My point exactly. I hope that's true but I'm getting worried.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 8, 2017 21:59:16 GMT
That's absurd. BioWare never announced anything at Comic Con. Only sometimes dropped a hint. This time, we got nothing. Or at least, we need to wait until a video is up for it in case something was missed. We will also have San Diego Comic Con in 2 weeks, which is far larger then Montreal Comic Con, as if I'm not mistaken they do live streams for that one. Then there's probably final hope or announcement at Gamescom 22nd August, bu that's month and a half away. And while it's very likely BioWare will have presence there, we don't know what will they bring up as it's month and a half away. Yeah, I agree. There's still a chance they will announce possible DLC at SDCC or GamesCom. GamesCom on 22nd August would make sense to announce DLC if it's connected to the book that is scheduled for September 1st. If they don't announce any DLC by september there probably won't be any, but right now there is still a bit of hope left. There is also EGX at 21st September, but that's very long away and pretty much final moments of hope for DLC.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jul 8, 2017 22:00:20 GMT
Well, this is lackluster, I didn't have high hopes about any significant news but I expected something. Guess its time to move on and focus on other games / studios.
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Post by ozzie on Jul 8, 2017 22:01:14 GMT
Sigh, Ryder being inexperienced isn't a plot hole, nor did I state it was. The Pathfinder plot hole as I see it, is that they server no function that isn't already carried out by someone else before their arrival, they exist purely to fix a problem with the conduits they had no idea existed before they set off, something that has been covered previously by many people and I didn't really think I needed to go over it again. Anyway, if what your writing doesn't make sense it's not an opinion or preference to describe it as bad... but perhaps that is just my opinion on what makes something bad writing Not sure why you had to finish that off by calling my a liar though, seems this board has become a little intolerant of differing opinion of late. The writing make perfect sense to me and I don't see any plotholes in having a group of individuals being dedicated to exploring the unknown. I didn't call you a liar, at least not directly, but you are misrepresenting the truth and bending things in order to make you point. I'm gonna call a spade a spade when I see one and you take things out of context, leave out context, and extrapolate things out farther than remotely necessary in order to back up you point... so... sorry.. I guess? I get that people don't necessarily see things as plot holes or, if they do, perhaps don't care that they exist. But the way I see it, I'm not bending the truth at all, I just believe that most adults have enough self awareness to understand the difference between their disliking something on a practical or aesthetic level. For example, I dislike Liam on an aesthetic level, hes a bit of a tool, I dislike the Pathfinder concept on a practical level, it has logical issues that I am unable to find sufficient resolution to... so when people say "This is bad writing" it is distinct from saying that "I do not enjoy this writing", you seem to be implying that these are inseparable and anyone who claims the writing is bad is either in denial or lying about their justification.
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Post by warrior on Jul 8, 2017 22:03:11 GMT
In the end, we still know that they can't comment on future projects, like they've been saying from before Schreier's delusional hit-piece. They almost certainly have a specific date that's been long-planned to announce the DLC. Which I'm sure the scum who pushed the "no DLC" garbage know perfectly well. They get their clicks, while the developers get hounded, abused, and threatened and fans are conned into feeling disappointed and angry. It must be great to work at BioWare. Make the greatest games in the world, get nonstop abuse because a psychotic vocal minority genuinely wants you to die for not making exactly what those people think you're obligated to make, and have gaming "journalists" openly pander to a horde of trolls who hurl misogynistic and homophobic abuse at your staff and fans. I agree the abuse for Bioware has often been over-the-top - the level of vitriol inexcusable.... feedback and criticism is fine and can be provided in a civil and respectful way. Having said that, lately it feels like Bioware is listening more to the haters than to its fans and that is very discouraging to me There is no doubt that sociopathic GamerGater types have targeted BioWare in the past, and targeted BioWare for this game in particular. These are "the haters and losers," to borrow a quote my favorite man in this wide world. However, this game did not debut to critical acclaim. It has more than its fair share of fair and practiced critics who did not target it for so-called "SJW" shit -- just a lukewarm consensus overall -- and I don't think we can ignore that fact. What I'm curious about is how many games that have a lukewarm critical reception get SP DLC.
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Post by bshep on Jul 8, 2017 22:03:13 GMT
Just rip the damn band-aid Bioware!
If it is a YES good, we can wait happy until more news but if it is NO we can also move on to something elese. But i can't stand this half assed "we can't talk about it yet" when Bioware knows there are people spreading rumors about the game on the net.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 8, 2017 22:04:27 GMT
Always gotta make things personal, eh? Just tone it down a bit maybe. Real funny coming from you. That's the same guy whose life is based around trolling at BSN.
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 8, 2017 22:04:37 GMT
I agree the abuse for Bioware has often been over-the-top - the level of vitriol inexcusable.... feedback and criticism is fine and can be provided in a civil and respectful way. Having said that, lately it feels like Bioware is listening more to the haters than to its fans and that is very discouraging to me There is no doubt that sociopathic GamerGater types have targeted BioWare in the past, and targeted BioWare for this game in particular. These are "the haters and losers," to borrow a quote my favorite man in this wide world. However, this game did not debut to critical acclaim. It has more than its fair share of fair and practiced critics who did not target it for so-called "SJW" shit -- just a lukewarm consensus overall -- and I don't think we can ignore that fact. What I'm curious about is how many games that have a lukewarm critical reception get SP DLC. Well, there was Dragon Age II.
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Post by warrior on Jul 8, 2017 22:07:59 GMT
There is no doubt that sociopathic GamerGater types have targeted BioWare in the past, and targeted BioWare for this game in particular. These are "the haters and losers," to borrow a quote my favorite man in this wide world. However, this game did not debut to critical acclaim. It has more than its fair share of fair and practiced critics who did not target it for so-called "SJW" shit -- just a lukewarm consensus overall -- and I don't think we can ignore that fact. What I'm curious about is how many games that have a lukewarm critical reception get SP DLC. Well, there was Dragon Age II.Yeah, looks like a B-... hmmm!
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 8, 2017 22:10:30 GMT
I would like to remind everyone that, much like the freakouts we were having over the romance options pre-release, all this tight-lippedness is in the hands of EA's marketing department.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 22:11:41 GMT
The writing make perfect sense to me and I don't see any plotholes in having a group of individuals being dedicated to exploring the unknown. I didn't call you a liar, at least not directly, but you are misrepresenting the truth and bending things in order to make you point. I'm gonna call a spade a spade when I see one and you take things out of context, leave out context, and extrapolate things out farther than remotely necessary in order to back up you point... so... sorry.. I guess? I get that people don't necessarily see things as plot holes or, if they do, perhaps don't care that they exist. But the way I see it, I'm not bending the truth at all, I just believe that most adults have enough self awareness to understand the difference between their disliking something on a practical or aesthetic level. For example, I dislike Liam on an aesthetic level, hes a bit of a tool, I dislike the Pathfinder concept on a practical level, it has logical issues that I am unable to find sufficient resolution to... so when people say "This is bad writing" it is distinct from saying that "I do not enjoy this writing", you seem to be implying that these are inseparable and anyone who claims the writing is bad is either in denial or lying about their justification. They are inseparable as they are entirely subjective as they are opinions. I can't explain it any clearer than that... I made no such claims about a group, but I did see you leaving out information. Whether intentionally or not it wasn't there, hence why I added it in my post. It was "writing on the wall" so to speak. Also, I hold no malice towards those who dislike ME:A, but I dislike cherrypicking.
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 8, 2017 22:14:11 GMT
Folks, I know emotions are running high, but a moderation reminder to PLEASE take the anger down a notch and don't attack each other.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 8, 2017 22:20:56 GMT
I hope that's true but I'm getting worried. Then let me set your mind at ease. At the end of the day we are not privy to the decision-making process that goes on at EA/BioWare and we'll probably never be. Perhaps ME:A's tepid critical reception (it could've been a commercial success for all I know) contributed to the franchise being shelved. Perhaps EA/BioWare decided to forego SP DLC plans and instead use that budget to fix the game to garner some goodwill with the fans. Perhaps there is still SP DLC coming. Perhaps none of these are true. What is true is that I bought the game, played it, laid out my arguments for what I liked and disliked about it, and hoped that we'd get patches and DLC. Whether or not the latter part comes to pass is out of my hands.
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 8, 2017 22:24:54 GMT
It might be worth remembering that ME3's first real DLC* took six months because they had to fix the problems that game had at release.
*I am not counting From Ashes or the EC because the former was on-disk and the latter was the fix I referred to.
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Post by vonuber on Jul 8, 2017 22:25:25 GMT
Just to point out that bioware/ea literally have people begging to be given the chance to give them money (for dlc).
Do people really think EA would pass that up? I would be in trouble on my company if I missed that easy opportunity.
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Post by kino on Jul 8, 2017 22:29:36 GMT
DLC ANNOUNCED!!!!! It has nothing to do with the Quarian Ark however. This apparently has to do with a new race called the Eealen. They appear to be a vassal race of the kett which escaped and now has new information about exaltation. That all the information that was revealed. Ok is this fake? I'd take it with a barrel or two of salt, yes.
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Just to point out that bioware/ea literally have people begging to be given the chance to give them money (for dlc). Do people really think EA would pass that up? I would be in trouble on my company if I missed that easy opportunity. Do you know how many people would buy SP DLC or how much it'd cost in terms of people and resources to produce it? Does Montreal even have the resources to do it at this point?
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Post by Serza on Jul 8, 2017 22:30:11 GMT
Fine, whatever. I guess I just kicked in the door. BUT! WHISKEY. TANGO. FOXTROT. They "Can not comment on future projects yet" What does this tell us? There are future projects in existence. And they will be able to talk about them when the time is right. Do you remember the old military saying? "Never interrupt your enemy when he's about to make a mistake"? It goes both ways. Never interrupt an ally when he's making the right thing. Let the situation develop and wait for the best opportunity. If you do bother to read between the lines, Mr. I Fail At Camouflage and Mr. Hypocrite down below are running out of arguments. That house of cards just took a Warthog to the face, and it's not recovering anyhow easily. I'm actually sitting here refreshing this page....on a Saturday night. Bugger me I have no life. None of us do, it seems. There's no stream and no one from BSN is there, correct? Turns out we got enough, even being in the dark... That there, mister, is an F in camouflage. Now you walk back into that forest, and I don't want to see you the next time I'm walking around. And your camouflage skills are getting no respect until I can walk right up to you while you have no camouflage aids whatsoever. Witcher is a pile of garbage that thinks "dark fantasy" and "good writing" amounts to horrible people getting ahead and good people getting killed just because you tried to help them. And with the significant overlap between Witcher fanboys and the psychotic anti-BioWare trolldom, it's no surprise that people who think games that don't treat misogynists as bad people believe that abuse and threats towards female game developers because a female character doesn't turn them on is acceptable. Posts like this are why people think Mass Effect fans are kinda crazy. Face it. You can not handle my kind of crazy. Of course they have plans for the future - if they wouldn't have any, they'd be about to shut down the studio. Likely a lot of that plan is about Anthem. "Cannot comment on" or "have no answers concerning" is corporate speak for "I don't want to talk about it." And who can blame them? They're getting idiotic amounts of hate for several reasons, and if they were to clearly state that there wouldn't be any story DLC, they'd have to worry about former "BW loyalists" turning against them too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't... Thankfully, my loyalties are a bit different from the average person's. You should really take the anger down a notch - it's defusing your arguments. Again real funny coming from you. What can he say. Hypocrisy is hip. Seriously? The whole human scum and circle jerking didn't do it for you? There were a few developers for me: a who got threatened. Three. Pounds. Of pressure... to solve that threatening problem. Well, this is lackluster, I didn't have high hopes about any significant news but I expected something. Guess its time to move on and focus on other games / studios. No. Not yet. I can smell Charlie.
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Post by Bizo on Jul 8, 2017 22:33:31 GMT
Just got back home. From what I see here in the comments they haven't announced anything. Can I find a video or a summary for the QA somewhere?
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Post by Estaq99 on Jul 8, 2017 22:34:52 GMT
In the end, we still know that they can't comment on future projects, like they've been saying from before Schreier's delusional hit-piece. They almost certainly have a specific date that's been long-planned to announce the DLC. Which I'm sure the scum who pushed the "no DLC" garbage know perfectly well. They get their clicks, while the developers get hounded, abused, and threatened and fans are conned into feeling disappointed and angry. It must be great to work at BioWare. Make the greatest games in the world, get nonstop abuse because a psychotic vocal minority genuinely wants you to die for not making exactly what those people think you're obligated to make, and have gaming "journalists" openly pander to a horde of trolls who hurl misogynistic and homophobic abuse at your staff and fans. I strongly recommend you anger management therapy.
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Post by Serza on Jul 8, 2017 22:36:24 GMT
In the end, we still know that they can't comment on future projects, like they've been saying from before Schreier's delusional hit-piece. They almost certainly have a specific date that's been long-planned to announce the DLC. Which I'm sure the scum who pushed the "no DLC" garbage know perfectly well. They get their clicks, while the developers get hounded, abused, and threatened and fans are conned into feeling disappointed and angry. It must be great to work at BioWare. Make the greatest games in the world, get nonstop abuse because a psychotic vocal minority genuinely wants you to die for not making exactly what those people think you're obligated to make, and have gaming "journalists" openly pander to a horde of trolls who hurl misogynistic and homophobic abuse at your staff and fans. I strongly recommend you anger management therapy. Fine, if we're going that way, get your eyes checked.
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