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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 6, 2017 5:03:44 GMT
And to be honest I'm sick and tired of bioware being accused of doing "Disney" stuff. Why? Because they don't show breasts or display a world full rape and murder? Because they add LGBT characters? DAI handled the subject of religion with maturity and excellent writing. Much better than the Witchers one dimensional, cartoonishly evil take on it. Just because the world is full of darkness, doesn't mean it's not mature. They did. I concur. Thank the Maker.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 6, 2017 5:04:16 GMT
Someone actually let that guy publish a book? What is it, screen-caps of forums and him pleading "No, seriously guys,I know stuff! Please listen to me and buy my book?!" I'd rather read Twilight.Aw hell no. I know. It's a deep, dark, terrible place to take it. But I would. Twilight over Jason. Also 50 Shades of Not BDSM.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 6, 2017 5:05:18 GMT
I know. It's a deep, dark, terrible place to take it. But I would. Twilight over Jason. Also 50 Shades of Not BDSM. Yo, stop doubling down like him. Stop. Please... no. For your own mental health... stop.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 6, 2017 5:10:46 GMT
I know. It's a deep, dark, terrible place to take it. But I would. Twilight over Jason. Also 50 Shades of Not BDSM. Yo, stop doubling down like him. Stop. Please... no. For your own mental health... stop. Sorry. I'll stop.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 6, 2017 5:12:08 GMT
DAI has the second best interpretations that I've seen in media. The Dragon age series as a whole is awesome for that reason.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 6, 2017 5:20:47 GMT
Yo, stop doubling down like him. Stop. Please... no. For your own mental health... stop. Sorry. I'll stop. I'm just kidding. I'm playing along, but I know... my tone. I'm so off sometimes.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 6, 2017 5:23:02 GMT
And to be honest I'm sick and tired of bioware being accused of doing "Disney" stuff. Why? Because they don't show breasts or display a world full rape and murder? Because they add LGBT characters? DAI handled the subject of religion with maturity and excellent writing. Much better than the Witchers one dimensional, cartoonishly evil take on it. Just because the world is full of darkness, doesn't mean it's not mature. No, DAI only skirted the lines but never fully "went there". The Witcher 3 never showed any actual rape but it was heavily implied at times. When walking around the lands in TW3, I get the feeling that this place isn't safe and that I should have a bit of dread because that is the world that Geralt lives in, a world full of war, constant war. In war, it isn't the soldiers who fight who feel the repercussions, but the citizens of the lands and you really see that and experience that in TW3. The way it is done in DAI is comparable to how your parents you put their hands over your eyes in the movie theater whenever a sex scene would come up. A major example of this is the treatment of elves. In DAO, you really get to see how poorly elves were treated, hell, you can even participate in this bad behavior by even selling off elves into slavery or allowing your elf relative to be raped by human men. By the time we get to DAI, it is implied that elves have it bad in Thedas, but the game does not allow you to see it or experience it the same way we did with the Warden back in 2009. Also, TW3 also had LGBT characters. No, you couldn't play as one nor could you romance one, but they were there. Take the Mislav character for example or the cross dressing elf. It is just that Bioware presents them in a idealistic "this is how it would be if the world was perfect" perspective whole CDPR presents them in a realistic "this is how it really is". Neither is right or wrong, but they just take on different delivery. Also, I would argue that the DAI world is "cartoonishly" with its bright colors and flashy colors during combat compared to the rust/realistic tone/look of TW3. I mean, we can argue on this all night but the matter is, TW3 is generally seen as a game that isn't afraid to appeal to an adults audience and present many themes in a way that is meant for adults whereas Bioware likes to make their stories and games "friendly" and not offensive.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 6, 2017 5:28:57 GMT
And to be honest I'm sick and tired of bioware being accused of doing "Disney" stuff. Why? Because they don't show breasts or display a world full rape and murder? Because they add LGBT characters? DAI handled the subject of religion with maturity and excellent writing. Much better than the Witchers one dimensional, cartoonishly evil take on it. Just because the world is full of darkness, doesn't mean it's not mature. I'm getting way off track here but just look at how CDPR shows of Velen, a land torn by war: Now compare that to how Bioware shows of The Hinterlands, a land torn by war: Now which one looks "cartoonishly" and which one looks realistic?
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Post by smilesja on Jul 6, 2017 5:32:22 GMT
And to be honest I'm sick and tired of bioware being accused of doing "Disney" stuff. Why? Because they don't show breasts or display a world full rape and murder? Because they add LGBT characters? DAI handled the subject of religion with maturity and excellent writing. Much better than the Witchers one dimensional, cartoonishly evil take on it. Just because the world is full of darkness, doesn't mean it's not mature. No, DAI only skirted the lines but never fully "went there". The Witcher 3 never showed any actual rape but it was heavily implied at times. When walking around the lands in TW3, I get the feeling that this place isn't safe and that I should have a bit of dread because that is the world that Geralt lives in, a world full of war, constant war. In war, it isn't the soldiers who fight who feel the repercussions, but the citizens of the lands and you really see that and experience that in TW3. The way it is done in DAI is comparable to how your parents you put their hands over your eyes in the movie theater whenever a sex scene would come up. A major example of this is the treatment of elves. In DAO, you really get to see how poorly elves were treated, hell, you can even participate in this bad behavior by even selling off elves into slavery or allowing your elf relative to be raped by human men. By the time we get to DAI, it is implied that elves have it bad in Thedas, but the game does not allow you to see it or experience it the same way we did with the Warden back in 2009. Also, TW3 also had LGBT characters. No, you couldn't play as one nor could you romance one, but they were there. Take the Mislav character for example or the cross dressing elf. It is just that Bioware presents them in a idealistic "this is how it would be if the world was perfect" perspective whole CDPR presents them in a realistic "this is how it really is". Neither is right or wrong, but they just take on different delivery. Also, I would argue that the DAI world is "cartoonishly" with its bright colors and flashy colors during combat compared to the rust/realistic tone/look of TW3. I mean, we can argue on this all night but the matter is, TW3 is generally seen as a game that isn't afraid to appeal to an adults audience and present many themes in a way that is meant for adults whereas Bioware likes to make their stories and games "friendly" and not offensive. Skirted? Don't give me that. The Dragon Age Inquisition has fully explored all aspects of religion the good (Cassandra) and the bad. To be honest, DAI was exploring different themes like Religion, Identity and having faith in bad times. They showed that to fit their story and world around it and there was some doubt of people accepting an Dalish Elf as the Herald of Andraste. The world is NOT perfect considering the issues Dorian had with his father. I don't care what the general perception is. Those people were wrong then and they are wrong now. Bioware just does their stories differently, far from the "realistic" (I'm beginning to hate that word) worlds such as the Witcher.
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Uncle Cyan
Dang it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 6, 2017 5:34:49 GMT
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Post by colfoley on Jul 6, 2017 5:38:18 GMT
And to be honest I'm sick and tired of bioware being accused of doing "Disney" stuff. Why? Because they don't show breasts or display a world full rape and murder? Because they add LGBT characters? DAI handled the subject of religion with maturity and excellent writing. Much better than the Witchers one dimensional, cartoonishly evil take on it. Just because the world is full of darkness, doesn't mean it's not mature. I'm getting way off track here but just look at how CDPR shows of Velen, a land torn by war: Now compare that to how Bioware shows of The Hinterlands, a land torn by war: Now which one looks "cartoonishly" and which one looks realistic? looks can be decieving.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 6, 2017 5:38:45 GMT
Talk about a Disney moment. You prove my point. But then again:
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Post by suikoden on Jul 6, 2017 5:41:42 GMT
And to be honest I'm sick and tired of bioware being accused of doing "Disney" stuff. Why? Because they don't show breasts or display a world full rape and murder? Because they add LGBT characters? DAI handled the subject of religion with maturity and excellent writing. Much better than the Witchers one dimensional, cartoonishly evil take on it. Just because the world is full of darkness, doesn't mean it's not mature. The current Bioware has a tendency to not want to offend anyone, while at the same time, include everyone. Those two ideals don't mesh - and it results in writing that comes across as forced and unrealistic.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 6, 2017 5:41:55 GMT
And to be honest I'm sick and tired of bioware being accused of doing "Disney" stuff. Why? Because they don't show breasts or display a world full rape and murder? Because they add LGBT characters? DAI handled the subject of religion with maturity and excellent writing. Much better than the Witchers one dimensional, cartoonishly evil take on it. Just because the world is full of darkness, doesn't mean it's not mature. I'm getting way off track here but just look at how CDPR shows of Velen, a land torn by war: Now compare that to how Bioware shows of The Hinterlands, a land torn by war: Now which one looks "cartoonishly" and which one looks realistic? What does this have to do what I said above? I was talking about takes on religion.
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Uncle Cyan
Dang it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 6, 2017 5:43:21 GMT
Talk about a Disney moment. You prove my point. But then again: I'm sorry you're so angry. I'll pray for you before I turn in. Also, you're blocked so I won't get as angry as you.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 6, 2017 5:43:40 GMT
And to be honest I'm sick and tired of bioware being accused of doing "Disney" stuff. Why? Because they don't show breasts or display a world full rape and murder? Because they add LGBT characters? DAI handled the subject of religion with maturity and excellent writing. Much better than the Witchers one dimensional, cartoonishly evil take on it. Just because the world is full of darkness, doesn't mean it's not mature. The current Bioware has a tendency to not want to offend anyone, while at the same time, include everyone. Those two ideals don't mesh - and it results in writing that comes across as forced and unrealistic. Besides the hanily incident name a moment where bio ware is pc.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 6, 2017 5:45:18 GMT
Talk about a Disney moment. You prove my point. But then again: A song of hope after a devestating loss is a Disney moment?
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 6, 2017 5:47:21 GMT
Talk about a Disney moment. You prove my point. But then again: I can never quite tell if Disney is used as a good or bad word round these parts.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 6, 2017 5:48:42 GMT
Talk about a Disney moment. You prove my point. But then again: A song of hope after a devestating loss is a Disney moment? apparently. All i know is it saved my.life.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 6, 2017 5:48:57 GMT
Talk about a Disney moment. You prove my point. But then again: I can never quite tell if Disney is used as a good or bad word round these parts. Yeah Disney is pretty good. Though I think some people using as a way of saying bioware is pc.
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Post by warrior on Jul 6, 2017 5:50:04 GMT
Both those songs are wretched.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 5:51:56 GMT
Both those songs are wretched. I prefer Maryden.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 6, 2017 5:59:49 GMT
Sorry, this thread went way past "Jason was right" and way into Suko and Star Child are right" territory really quickly. Anyway, neither bothered to see that before Jason cited evidence and sources, and now he hasn't at all. Instead blindly following along/typing out Jason's multi-account response to fuel his ego.
Nice work ignoring evidence! Trump would be proud!
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Post by colfoley on Jul 6, 2017 6:06:32 GMT
Technically that moment is a Disney moment. Afterall They both have singing. But the problem is using it as a perjorative robs it of the context the scene is set in. The horrors visited upon the inquisition by corypheus and the triumph of finding skyhold.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 6:13:26 GMT
What gets me is why you feel it is your personal duty to snuff all hope out of everyone else. What is it that YOU are HOPING to accomplish and when are you going to give up hope that you're going to ever accomplish whatever that is? Also, what problem is it for you that other people have hope for something? Well, I just like to present the other side of the story so to speak. I mean, I have came to peace with the idea that this place is an echochamber for ideas that are optimistic about MEA and it's future. I am not trying to change people's minds cause I understand that it is impossible to do that. But what I try to do is just let out the other side of the story which I know isn't that popular here, but does that mean that I can't post it? If I goto a Seattle Seahawks home game, I understand that they have the best homefield advantage in the NFL and that 98% or so of the fans in attendance or Seahawks fans, but does that mean that I cannot attend the game and cheer for the other team? Also for my apparent disdain for MEA, well that is something for another thread of itself but to keep it short, I'll just redirect you to here in which I explain why I didn't like MEA. Personally, I think Bioware in a lot of ways is just out of touch and it shows. Either they are out of touch or either other developers are just doing it better (in my opinion). I admit, the Witcher 3 effect may have some sort of reason behind my dislike of MEA (and DAI). Games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided and Witcher 3 are games that are not afraid to offend. They tackle issues and present them in a mature way for a mature audience. Without going into details, Deus Ex: Human Revoluation/Mankind Divided does this with the whole augmentation controversy and Witcher 3 does it with all the political stuff and the horrors of war. Those two games treat the player like adults who can understand the subject matter presented in the game whereas Bioware takes the "Disney style" approach and take something that could be mature, but dumb it down in order to simplify things. Do you sit in the stands though and start calling the Seahawks fan beside you "delusional" for cheering for the home team?
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