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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 16:37:02 GMT
(Yes, this is mostly to kill time until the stream.) While we've yet to receive official word on single-player DLC and might not for a while, even with upcoming stuff BioWare is doing, the latest addition to the MP roster and their backstory has made me think about the implications. The new character is the Batarian Scrapper. His backstory is that him and a fellow Batarian gave evidence against a pirate leader, their Alliance witness protection failed, and they made a deal with the Andromeda Initiative for asylum, being stored on the salarian ark. Now, the backstory doesn't support or negate potential DLC. They have their lore-justified way of having shown up, without needing an explanation for any batarians beyond the two of them to be in Andromeda. After all, if their backstory was showing up on the quarian ark, then it probably wouldn't make sense when the quarian ark is still missing. The interesting part of this is that his backstory states that he had a fellow batarian partner. So obviously, we'll be getting that second batarian. Their backstory gives a way for two batarian kits to appear in MP without needing additional justification in the main story. (Producer Fernando Melo has even said Ryder won't be giving batarians high-fives, so we're probably not going to see them in future SP DLC.) However, let's take into consideration the APEX mission schedule. Each arc of the APEX story consists of three missions, taking place (roughly) over the weekend, with a one-week gap in-between arcs. So we can presume a new APEX arc is starting, with the Batarian Scrapper as the "lead" of the three missions. And we can presume that the second batarian will be introduced in the next set of three missions. So how does that schedule look? - Batarian Scrapper #1 - July 6th
- Batarian Scrapper #2 - July 13th
- Batarian Scrapper #3 - July 20th
- No APEX mission - July 27th
- Second Batarian #1 - August 3rd
- Second Batarian #2 - August 10th
- Second Batarian #3 - August 17th
- No APEX mission - August 24th
- New APEX arc #1 - August 31st
So, provided it follows the schedule and format that's been established with the last two APEX mission arcs, we'll be getting a new character on August 31st. Why is this significant? Because Mass Effect: Annihilation, a tie-in novel formerly called "The Lost Ark", is dated to be released on September 1st, the day after. Based on the working title, we can assume it's about the quarian ark. The first tie-in novel, Nexus Uprising, tied into the plot of the main game. The third tie-in novel, Initiation, is suspected to revolve around the second anticipated DLC plotline. So some people feel the hand-wave-esque justification for batarians being added hurts the hopes for DLC. On the contrary—their backstory doesn't conflict with any potential DLC, and as the quarians, drell, and volus are tied up in the quarian ark plotline, batarians are a race that can be added into the game without conflicting with that plotline. I've already voiced my suspicions for a late-August release date for the Quarian Ark DLC based on the tie-in novel's release date, and this lends further credence to that idea. Because if the DLC is releasing around the very end of August, the APEX arc that starts on the 31st would be the perfect time to add a quarian character(s) to MP. So I would say that you definitely shouldn't be discouraged about single-player DLC. Sure, the batarians' backstory is a bit hand-wave-y, but that may very well be the point, giving the batarians a way to be in MP without having any batarian presence in SP DLC. And the two batarians may simply be the only new race they can add to multiplayer for now...until the quarian ark is found.
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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 16:40:37 GMT
Not to be difficult, but didn't the Batarian's backstory say that there were only two of them on Paachero (which I'm sure I'm spelling wrong, but screw you guys I'm old(er) and it's allowed)? Or did I miss something about there being a third Batarian on board?
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Post by haolyn on Jul 6, 2017 16:46:16 GMT
That's all fine and dandy but I don't play MP at all and if I hadn't read the patch notes I'd have no idea batarians were even in this game. If they bothered to make entire new models why only add them to multiplayer? Adding a batarian NPC with 2 lines of dialogue would have taken minimal effort and given people a reason to believe more single player content is coming, the fact that they couldn't even bother to do that doesn't look good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 16:47:16 GMT
Not to be difficult, but didn't the Batarian's backstory say that there were only two of them on Paachero (which I'm sure I'm spelling wrong, but screw you guys I'm old(er) and it's allowed)? Or did I miss something about there being a third Batarian on board? Yes. I'm not sure where I implied otherwise; I've stated that and I didn't make any reference to a third batarian, unless I was unclear somewhere.
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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 16:49:08 GMT
Not to be difficult, but didn't the Batarian's backstory say that there were only two of them on Paachero (which I'm sure I'm spelling wrong, but screw you guys I'm old(er) and it's allowed)? Or did I miss something about there being a third Batarian on board? Yes. I'm not sure where I implied otherwise; I've stated that and I didn't make any reference to a third batarian, unless I was unclear somewhere. There's three Batarian Scrapper's in your list, which is what I based it on. Edit: Wait...I think I see what you did there. Never mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 16:51:55 GMT
If they bothered to make entire new models why only add them to multiplayer? Well, he's wearing kett armour, so it's not entirely a new model anyway! Just the head. I think we're not going to see batarians in single-player, especially since the backstory specifies there's only two of them. They added batarians because they're the only Milky Way (and hence original ME3MP) race that hasn't appeared yet and aren't tied up in the quarian ark. Tl;dr: Easy filler that doesn't get in the way of DLC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 16:54:48 GMT
There's three Batarian Scrapper's in your list, which is what I based it on. Edit: Wait...I think I see what you did there. Never mind. Yes. To clarify, for those unfamiliar with APEX arcs: The recent arcs have been three missions each, introducing a new character at the start of each arc. The new character is a "lead" of sorts for the arc, appearing in the artwork for the APEX mission briefings. Much like the Turian Agent and Angaran Exemplar served as the "leads" of the previous arcs, the Batarian Scrapper should have this arc to him and I predict the second batarian will be introduced and "lead" the next arc—and so I simply referred to each mission of the arc by the "lead" character.
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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 16:56:15 GMT
If they bothered to make entire new models why only add them to multiplayer? Well, he's wearing kett armour, so it's not entirely a new model anyway! Just the head. I think we're not going to see batarians in single-player, especially since the backstory specifies there's only two of them. They added batarians because they're the only Milky Way (and hence original ME3MP) race that hasn't appeared yet and aren't tied up in the quarian ark. Tl;dr: Easy filler that doesn't get in the way of DLC. If you don't play the MP and only the campaign then this doesn't really impact the campaign story at all, nor does it break the existing campaign story. Adding kits to the MP without them actually being in the campaign isn't something new. They did it in ME3MP as well.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 6, 2017 17:03:44 GMT
If you don't play the MP and only the campaign then this doesn't really impact the campaign story at all, nor does it break the existing campaign story. That's precisely my problem. It SHOULD impact SP. To me batarians in andromeda are a big deal, relegating them to MP only is a massive disappointment. Even putting aside DLC it's content that impacts the base game narrative and should be acknowledged by the single player campaign. It's poor worldbuilding and it sets a precedent for them to do the same with other races. What's stopping them from adding the quarian ark as a multiplayer map and the NPC in single player is only gonna say "if you wanna save the quarian ark you gotta jump into this multiplayer mission"?
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Post by sil on Jul 6, 2017 17:06:56 GMT
Yeah, I agree. If you've added a race into the game, then it should come to SP before MP, or at the least, it should come to both together. Even if it was with just a couple of lines. These batarians are now unique, so their appearance should have been included in the campaign somewhere. Even if just in a news alert.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 17:14:52 GMT
I can't help but shake the feeling that you're reaching here. I'm all for speculation, but lets not let speculation run amok and artificially inflate hopes. No offense intended of course.
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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 17:16:19 GMT
If you don't play the MP and only the campaign then this doesn't really impact the campaign story at all, nor does it break the existing campaign story. That's precisely my problem. It SHOULD impact SP. To me batarians in andromeda are a big deal, relegating them to MP only is a massive disappointment. Even putting aside DLC it's content that impacts the base game narrative and should be acknowledged by the single player campaign. It's poor worldbuilding and it sets a precedent for them to do the same with other races. What's stopping them from adding the quarian ark as a multiplayer map and the NPC in single player is only gonna say "if you wanna save the quarian ark you gotta jump into this multiplayer mission"? If this were precedent setting I would agree. However, it isn't and the addition of characters to MP to keep people involved is SOP. And I'll add this, if they add DLC to the campaign there's a very good chance the Batarian still won't be a part of it. Just like the Collectors, just like the N7's. I'm not sure that the addition of two Batarian's qualifies as a "big deal". Now a whole slew of them? Yes, that might require an explanation. But two? Not seeing the urgency, other than the length of time it takes to actually get a rare kit in MP.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jul 6, 2017 17:17:11 GMT
Oh, topic no 27 about why i think DLC will happen. Great. Hope BW think the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 17:18:21 GMT
Oh, topic no 27 about why i think DLC will happen. Great. Hope BW think the same. Is that really necessary to post that or is artificial inflation of post count more your bag?
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Post by SwobyJ on Jul 6, 2017 19:04:04 GMT
If you don't play the MP and only the campaign then this doesn't really impact the campaign story at all, nor does it break the existing campaign story. That's precisely my problem. It SHOULD impact SP. To me batarians in andromeda are a big deal, relegating them to MP only is a massive disappointment. Even putting aside DLC it's content that impacts the base game narrative and should be acknowledged by the single player campaign. It's poor worldbuilding and it sets a precedent for them to do the same with other races. What's stopping them from adding the quarian ark as a multiplayer map and the NPC in single player is only gonna say "if you wanna save the quarian ark you gotta jump into this multiplayer mission"? Nexus: Hey there's a batarian or two in the ark you saved. Ryder: ...okay? Nexus: Just thought you should know because others thought you should know. Ryder and crew: ......okayy...? Put him in APEX IDGAF. ~~~ Ryder: There's an ark and I wasn't called to help it? Nexus: Yeah we thought you'd be busy. It, uh, totally happened while you were in the middle of fighting an Architect. We sent APEX because this is their jam. Ryder: WTF? No it isn't.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 6, 2017 19:05:12 GMT
If you don't play the MP and only the campaign then this doesn't really impact the campaign story at all, nor does it break the existing campaign story. That's precisely my problem. It SHOULD impact SP. To me batarians in andromeda are a big deal, relegating them to MP only is a massive disappointment. Even putting aside DLC it's content that impacts the base game narrative and should be acknowledged by the single player campaign. It's poor worldbuilding and it sets a precedent for them to do the same with other races. What's stopping them from adding the quarian ark as a multiplayer map and the NPC in single player is only gonna say "if you wanna save the quarian ark you gotta jump into this multiplayer mission"? Why? The batarians have no real relevance to anything happening in Andromeda. Hell, until they were announced, no-one expected Batarians to show up. There's no actual link to the overall plot. Ultimately, I can't see how this has any relevance. If it had been a Drell or something... ok, sure, I can see the link, the Drell would presumably be with the Hanar and if there is no Quarian Ark then that would be concerning. It would still be stretching, even then. If anything, I think the response seems to be more a symptom of the desire for information out of Bioware than anything else. I mean, lets have some perspective - we're using the existence of two batarians to argue whether or not an Ark that already existed in the canon from a group of completely unrelated species is coming in a DLC. It's ridiculous. It's not even like this has never happened before - the Collectors in ME3 are basically resurrected from extinction with no real reason. If the next MP character is a Vorcha, does that mean we get a sequel? Maybe a Yahg means we get movie? A Leviathan means that The Last Jedi is going to suck?
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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 19:53:33 GMT
A Leviathan means that The Last Jedi is going to suck? No! Geebus, don't say that. It's bad juju to even put that out in the universe, man.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 6, 2017 20:26:10 GMT
Oh, topic no 27 about why i think DLC will happen. Great. Hope BW think the same. Hey... being optimistic and pushing that agenda is way better than being negative and pushing that agenda. BioWare is listening. They're calibrating the story. I'm sure of it. Also, I'm just speculating, but through optimistic eyes.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 6, 2017 20:52:44 GMT
That's all fine and dandy but I don't play MP at all and if I hadn't read the patch notes I'd have no idea batarians were even in this game. If they bothered to make entire new models why only add them to multiplayer? Adding a batarian NPC with 2 lines of dialogue would have taken minimal effort and given people a reason to believe more single player content is coming, the fact that they couldn't even bother to do that doesn't look good. they've done it before. The dlc for Cerberus in ME 3 MP gave characters we never saw in game.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 6, 2017 21:00:00 GMT
That's precisely my problem. It SHOULD impact SP. To me batarians in andromeda are a big deal, relegating them to MP only is a massive disappointment. Even putting aside DLC it's content that impacts the base game narrative and should be acknowledged by the single player campaign. It's poor worldbuilding and it sets a precedent for them to do the same with other races. What's stopping them from adding the quarian ark as a multiplayer map and the NPC in single player is only gonna say "if you wanna save the quarian ark you gotta jump into this multiplayer mission"? Why? The batarians have no real relevance to anything happening in Andromeda. Hell, until they were announced, no-one expected Batarians to show up. There's no actual link to the overall plot. Ultimately, I can't see how this has any relevance. If it had been a Drell or something... ok, sure, I can see the link, the Drell would presumably be with the Hanar and if there is no Quarian Ark then that would be concerning. It would still be stretching, even then. If anything, I think the response seems to be more a symptom of the desire for information out of Bioware than anything else. I mean, lets have some perspective - we're using the existence of two batarians to argue whether or not an Ark that already existed in the canon from a group of completely unrelated species is coming in a DLC. It's ridiculous. It's not even like this has never happened before - the Collectors in ME3 are basically resurrected from extinction with no real reason. If the next MP character is a Vorcha, does that mean we get a sequel? Maybe a Yahg means we get movie? A Leviathan means that The Last Jedi is going to suck? (crazy conspiracy theory) That's the benefactor! Dun, dun, dun!
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Post by outlaw1109 on Jul 7, 2017 2:37:08 GMT
Why? The batarians have no real relevance to anything happening in Andromeda. Hell, until they were announced, no-one expected Batarians to show up. There's no actual link to the overall plot. (crazy conspiracy theory) That's the benefactor! Dun, dun, dun! I agree that there's no translation from MP releases to SP releases. A)DLC releases are planned (unless exceptional circumstances apply, IE ME3 ending) 2)You're dealing with two separate, yet equally coordinated teams (MP and SP). Aside from a leak, you're not going to get hints about upcoming SP DLC until they want you to. I can say, from what I can interpret, your base assumption that the Quarian Ark DLC being released alongside or around the same time as the novel is likely accurate as it has happened that way in the past. I don't believe BioWare's silence in regards to DLC is any indication that none are coming. Time will tell, but this game isn't as big of a disaster as some people believe. The same was said about DA2 years ago. That was supposedly the "Fall of Bioware". Before that, it was, ME1...this fan base tends to have a pessimistic vocal minority.
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