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Post by abaris on Jul 8, 2017 14:54:56 GMT
That's false. People make estimations on market averages all the time. That's the meat and potatoes of being a market analyst or any kind of financial advisor: making an educated guess based off of market history. The "educated" part of my guess is that, historically, there's no Bioware game that outsold ME3. That's not an educated part. Two years development vs 5 years. An estimated budget of 40 million for MEA as compared to an unknown figure for ME3. An unknown amount of manpower tied down for 5 years vs and unknown amount of manpower tied down for 2 years. In short, apples and oranges, since different company expectations were tied to both productions. Market analysts make educated guesses based on hard numbers and only compare what's comparable. These two products don't compare. It's only number crunching based on a very limited estimated sales number. Which, in both cases, don't even include digital sales, far as I am aware.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 8, 2017 15:18:08 GMT
You know, I've been thinking: why do they even have a panel in the first place? This is Comic-Con right? I get that its based in Montreal, but still Mass Effect doesn't have its roots in comics at all. Obviously Mass Effect comes out with comics all the time, but there an afterthought or meant to support the main games. Which is why I'm somewhat skeptical, they'll be a tease, hint (beyond we can't talk about future content) or whatever later today. Comic Con started out to be fan-fare for Comics, but it expanded into games, tv shows and movies over the years. In fact, yesterday there were panels on Avengers and Doctor Who. We just had our comic con in San Antonio not long ago. Man, things have changed. Also, the creep and sleaze factors have gone way up. I won't get into it, but the culture is rife with the sort of people that have nothing to do with comics, TV shows or movies. Not... at... all. The nerds and geeks that show up are still the majority though.
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Post by outlaw1109 on Jul 8, 2017 15:25:51 GMT
That's false. People make estimations on market averages all the time. That's the meat and potatoes of being a market analyst or any kind of financial advisor: making an educated guess based off of market history. The "educated" part of my guess is that, historically, there's no Bioware game that outsold ME3. That's not an educated part. Two years development vs 5 years. An estimated budget of 40 million for MEA as compared to an unknown figure for ME3. An unknown amount of manpower tied down for 5 years vs and unknown amount of manpower tied down for 2 years. In short, apples and oranges, since different company expectations were tied to both productions. Market analysts make educated guesses based on hard numbers and only compare what's comparable. These two products don't compare. It's only number crunching based on a very limited estimated sales number. Which, in both cases, don't even include digital sales, far as I am aware. Development time is only a piece of that puzzle. What you say is "incomparable" is the only method of comparison. I'm not going to break down how they figure out how to budget a game internally because it's a lot of explanation to prove a point you can't seem to fathom. When a publisher undergoes a project such as this, they use historical data to fund the project. So where ME 3 has established the market (the max they have ever earned monetarily), they would take the budget for that game and stretch it out over a 5 year period and likely make cuts to account for market differences. And that's how you get the budget for ME:A. You don't just pluck numbers from the sky. In the case of Anthem, EA makes an estimate on the revenue Bioware has pulled in from all of their IP's. Even though it's brand new. The one thing they all have in common is that they are made by the same studio. It's a similar concept. Manpower and development time are factored under the "budget" piece and therefore are not individually a factor of the profit margin. IE: Profit = sales-budget.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 8, 2017 15:26:50 GMT
Actually, it was reported somewhere that DRMs no longer serve the purpose of denying cracking. Instead, they serve to delay it so that people who want to pirate it grow impatient and just buy the game. Over three months after release, the DRM has likely met it's purpose and is no longer of any use. Especially if patch 1.04 and 1,05 are reportedly cracked. Yeah, that's what I've read too. The objective is to manage piracy rather than eliminate it. It's a pretty sound theory, since anyone who's willing to wait that long for a pirated version has a much lower probability of being an actual lost sale at any acceptable price point. Good thing too -- if eliminating piracy was still the objective they'd be moving to streamed content.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 16:25:18 GMT
Side note: gained ~10 fps after this was removed.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 8, 2017 17:03:52 GMT
But why remove DRM if newer patches aren't cracked, especially if supposed upcoming DLC will increase interest in the game thus increased chances of pirating? Unless there is no DLC.
According to old info Denuvo is per-units-sold-based, and not subscription-based.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 8, 2017 17:09:32 GMT
According to old info Denuvo is per-units-sold-based, and not subscription-based. Are they expecting to sell a lot more copies then? DLC could encourage people to buy the game I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 17:13:33 GMT
But why remove DRM if newer patches aren't cracked, especially if supposed upcoming DLC will increase interest in the game thus increased chances of pirating? Unless there is no DLC. According to old info Denuvo is per-units-sold-based, and not subscription-based. Nobody here has intimate knowledge of EA/BioWare's innermost workings and would know. However, assuming there will be no DLC because a shitty DRM system that is cracked on zero day and frequently harms performance was removed in a rare pro-consumer move by EA is, at best, Kotaku-level reaching.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 17:27:28 GMT
Possible logic is that the game isn't worth as much now. The DLC will be worth more. Move the DRM to the DLC. Sure you got the game for free but now you want the DLC and can't have it. Why pay to keep it in the game when you want to sell the DLC? If anything I would say removal of DRM supports DLC is coming as it will very likely be in DLC.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 8, 2017 17:29:51 GMT
Origin DRM is still holding up, they simply removed 3rd party DRM as it served it's use.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 8, 2017 19:58:43 GMT
According to old info Denuvo is per-units-sold-based, and not subscription-based. Are they expecting to sell a lot more copies then? DLC could encourage people to buy the game I guess. Probably not, generally games will see the majority of their sales in the first three months. Beyond that is generally only a small portion and rarely at the full retail price that was at launch.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 10, 2017 1:34:16 GMT
Quick question to anyone who noticed or "in the know."
Did anyone notice a difference in performance after the patch? I did not on the PS4.
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Post by CHRrOME on Jul 10, 2017 2:36:48 GMT
Big deal. Game was cracked a while back anyways for what I recall. May as well remove the stupid thing. Also, and I won't dive much into this, there's a "system" that was created by the hackers recently to "patch" Denuvo on the fly. So currently Denuvo is as useful as the standard Steam DRM, that is, no very useful. Quick question to anyone who noticed or "in the know." Did anyone notice a difference in performance after the patch? I did not on the PS4. Why, as a matter of fact, yes. Although, not sure about SP, I only play MP as of now, and I noticed a decent performance increase; I mean before that I was barely able to play the game, it ran at 15 fps after a little while. Then again, most of the issues were introduced by some patch, I think the second patch (no idea what's the name version). So I don't know if the fps boost is related to removing DRM. BTW, this is on PC, no clue how the situation is/was on consoles.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 10, 2017 2:46:00 GMT
Big deal. Game was cracked a while back anyways for what I recall. May as well remove the stupid thing. Also, and I won't dive much into this, there's a "system" that was created by the hackers recently to "patch" Denuvo on the fly. So currently Denuvo is as useful as the standard Steam DRM, that is, no very useful. Quick question to anyone who noticed or "in the know." Did anyone notice a difference in performance after the patch? I did not on the PS4. Why, as a matter of fact, yes. Although, not sure about SP, I only play MP as of now, and I noticed a decent performance increase; I mean before that I was barely able to play the game, it ran at 15 fps after a little while. Then again, most of the issues were introduced by some patch, I think the second patch (no idea what's the name version). So I don't know if the fps boost is related to removing DRM. BTW, this is on PC, no clue how the situation is/was on consoles. I'm heading to a new rig very soon. That's why I asked. I know I have had the same experience. Not just in Origin games, but on Steam as well. One game that jumped (and I know what you mean) was Master of Orion on GoG.com. It DID have DRM which is a rarity on that site. I had terrible FPS for a game that SHOULDN'T have FPS issues. They just patched it out and the game is as smooth as butter. The UI client being shutdown on this rig for Inquisition did give me a boost of 5-8 fps. Not much, but when you're hovering around 30fps, it helps a lot.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 10, 2017 5:52:58 GMT
Then why is it the only EA game to remove Denuvo?, even Unravel and PVZGW2 using it lol, they didn't remove it from DAI either.
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Post by Serza on Jul 10, 2017 12:02:15 GMT
Could always be a new policy they decided on with Andromeda. It could always bet he first to do it, rather than the only one.
Even with biotics (as is referred in an Epilogue terminal) they made the mistake of thinking it was the ONLY ONE rather than the FIRST.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 10, 2017 12:37:59 GMT
Ah good old Geordi. Always in the nick of time lol.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 10, 2017 15:00:06 GMT
Could always be a new policy they decided on with Andromeda. It could always bet he first to do it, rather than the only one. Even with biotics (as is referred in an Epilogue terminal) they made the mistake of thinking it was the ONLY ONE rather than the FIRST.Or Or an experiment. EA wants to see what happens if they do this, and they consider ME:A safe to fool around with.
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Post by Trivial on Jul 10, 2017 15:13:17 GMT
I think Titanfall 2 also removed Denuvo.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 10, 2017 18:10:23 GMT
Titanfall 2 had it temporarily removed for a free weekend and the SP was anyway locked, you could only play MP.
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 10, 2017 18:12:42 GMT
This thread.. it has it all, folks:
No DLC confirmed. Half life 3 confirmed. Illuminati confirmed.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jul 10, 2017 18:45:37 GMT
Quick question to anyone who noticed or "in the know." Did anyone notice a difference in performance after the patch? I did not on the PS4. I did. These are the biggest things I've noticed from patch so far, in returning to an early (Eos) NG+ and deciding to scrap that and go from start NG+ again. The Good: -Frame rate increase, even on tweaking settings up from before, on my laptop. Where earlier I struggled to get 30s to happen, and maybe 40s, I now get almost always 30s on tweaked upwards settings (still turning down resolution a little bit and a lot kept at Medium since I'm on a laptop view anyway) and it often can sit in the 40s. AKA a roughly '5 fps' upgrade and much more stable, albeit still not as good as many recent games. -Animation improvements. Its now, at least for these first few hours, at least at the status that it need to release with (DAI reminiscent; which is good in being, well, good, but bad in that its been a few years since that game). The Bad: -A bug that others have had, where sound cuts completely out until restart of game, has started to happen to me. Twice. -On the Eos landing scene (previous NG+), talking to Liam, Ryder's head snapped around. This was ironic after just reading the patch notes. Ruined all immersion. Hope it doesn't happen again this time. -A save file bug(?) where on two occasions - the first time naturally and the second time in trying to replicate the problem - manual saves on Eos wouldn't load. It would have been all lost without auto saves. I didn't try a third time, as I figured I wanted to try out from scratch anyway. I'm not on Eos again yet, so I don't have anything to say other than if this bug persists, I will be very disappointed.
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Post by rolenka on Jul 10, 2017 18:50:27 GMT
If they've canceled DLC, it's because the bad reception shook confidence in the future of the IP. It's less to do with game sales and more to do with how large they believe the loyal fan following to be following such an embarrassing release. DLC would almost certainly make a profit, but they may have decided those employees can generate more profit elsewhere.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 10, 2017 18:51:30 GMT
Quick question to anyone who noticed or "in the know." Did anyone notice a difference in performance after the patch? I did not on the PS4. It's improved on PC. Probably related to Denuvo DRM removal.
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