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Post by zan on Jul 17, 2017 15:03:16 GMT
So I was looking for an alternative to Hurricane or Rozerad as a priming weapon. Looking at the data sheet I found something very bothersome (to me). Soned and Rozerad have the same rate of fire (and both have spin time time IIRC, even if the spreadsheet doesn't show it? At least Soned sounds like it winds up as well). Rozerad is lighter, actually does more damage per shot (!) and force (!!). Also has much better accuracy (and can be scoped). Sure, Soned has the 120 clip size where Rozerad has 70, but the reload time on Rozerad is 1s whereas Soned is 2s. So even accounting for spin up time (0.5s?) Rozerad will outperform Soned in every single instance over long period of time. Did I miss something or is the balance for these two URs just completely screwed up?
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Post by gethadept on Jul 17, 2017 15:09:14 GMT
They screwed up. Big time.
...However, there is still a niche for using Soned. If you have Soned X and Rozerad I....
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Post by Uchimura on Jul 17, 2017 15:11:15 GMT
They screwed up. Big time. ...However, there is still a niche for using Soned. If you have Soned X and Rozerad I.... Now all your posts make sense..
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Post by gethadept on Jul 17, 2017 15:12:40 GMT
They screwed up. Big time. ...However, there is still a niche for using Soned. If you have Soned X and Rozerad I.... Now all your posts make sense.. Soned may have slightly better blooming since patch 1.08 or something.... but I have Rozerad at III so hard to tell... Haven`t tried it a lot.. lol
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Post by unclemonster on Jul 17, 2017 15:20:09 GMT
So I was looking for an alternative to Hurricane or Rozerad as a priming weapon. Looking at the data sheet I found something very bothersome (to me). Soned and Rozerad have the same rate of fire (and both have spin time time IIRC, even if the spreadsheet doesn't show it? At least Soned sounds like it winds up as well). Rozerad is lighter, actually does more damage per shot (!) and force (!!). Also has much better accuracy (and can be scoped). Sure, Soned has the 120 clip size where Rozerad has 70, but the reload time on Rozerad is 1s whereas Soned is 2s. So even accounting for spin up time (0.5s?) Rozerad will outperform Soned in every single instance over long period of time. Did I miss something or is the balance for these two URs just completely screwed up? You are leaving out the Targeting mod (which cannot be used on Soned for some reason) This adds +60% accuracy (at rank X) SANS scope to the Rozerad. I love it, makes it extremely accurate. I also have to love it as I spent 2,500 MF to get it to RANK IX.
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Post by ramsen on Jul 17, 2017 15:21:48 GMT
Even the Cyclone is better than the Soned. No accuracy mod is the nail in the coffin.
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Post by Uchimura on Jul 17, 2017 15:22:53 GMT
So I was looking for an alternative to Hurricane or Rozerad as a priming weapon. Looking at the data sheet I found something very bothersome (to me). Soned and Rozerad have the same rate of fire (and both have spin time time IIRC, even if the spreadsheet doesn't show it? At least Soned sounds like it winds up as well). Rozerad is lighter, actually does more damage per shot (!) and force (!!). Also has much better accuracy (and can be scoped). Sure, Soned has the 120 clip size where Rozerad has 70, but the reload time on Rozerad is 1s whereas Soned is 2s. So even accounting for spin up time (0.5s?) Rozerad will outperform Soned in every single instance over long period of time. Did I miss something or is the balance for these two URs just completely screwed up? You are leaving out the Targeting mod (which cannot be used on Soned for some reason) This adds +60% accuracy (at rank X) SANS scope to the Rozerad. I love it, makes it extremely accurate. I also have to love it as I spent 2,500 MF to get it to RANK IX. I think this is also on topic.. do you have the AR version of that accuracy mod? Doesn't it also have a negative while the pistol doesn't? In short.. Bioware hates ARs being powerful for some reason. It was the same in ME3MP.
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Post by unclemonster on Jul 17, 2017 15:26:28 GMT
You are leaving out the Targeting mod (which cannot be used on Soned for some reason) This adds +60% accuracy (at rank X) SANS scope to the Rozerad. I love it, makes it extremely accurate. I also have to love it as I spent 2,500 MF to get it to RANK IX. I think this is also on topic.. do you have the AR version of that accuracy mod? Doesn't it also have a negative while the pistol doesn't? In short.. Bioware hates ARs being powerful for some reason. It was the same in ME3MP. I do have it at Rank V At that rank it shows +53% Accuracy with a -24% Stability penalty. This is BS as the description itself says nothing about a penalty on it... looks like something to add to the twitch questions.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jul 17, 2017 15:30:38 GMT
You are leaving out the Targeting mod (which cannot be used on Soned for some reason) This adds +60% accuracy (at rank X) SANS scope to the Rozerad. I love it, makes it extremely accurate. I also have to love it as I spent 2,500 MF to get it to RANK IX. I think this is also on topic.. do you have the AR version of that accuracy mod? Doesn't it also have a negative while the pistol doesn't? In short.. Bioware hates ARs being powerful for some reason. It was the same in ME3MP. AR are good dps and accurate in ME3mp. Harrier, Lancer, Spitfire, Saber, Particle Rifle and the most power weapon in the entire game; The Striker.
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Post by Uchimura on Jul 17, 2017 15:40:29 GMT
I think this is also on topic.. do you have the AR version of that accuracy mod? Doesn't it also have a negative while the pistol doesn't? In short.. Bioware hates ARs being powerful for some reason. It was the same in ME3MP. AR are good dps and accurate in ME3mp. Harrier, Lancer, Spitfire, Saber, Particle Rifle and the most power weapon in the entire game; The Striker. Some are fine, esp PPR. But a lot weren't. Also considering Shotguns/Snipers got heavy barrel that had both damage/piercing, Pistols had 40% damage barrel, AR/SMG got only armor piercing barrel on the rare tier, so it's like ARs were down a mod slot comparatively. Harrier got a lot of use from me, but it also had shit ammo..
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Post by killabkilledb on Jul 17, 2017 22:02:04 GMT
Why are we talking about weapons that aren't the hurricane, kishock, shadow, reegar, paw or dhan? Nothing else has a serious role in the gam unless you don't have these guns.
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Post by Spectr61 on Jul 17, 2017 22:06:12 GMT
You are leaving out the Targeting mod (which cannot be used on Soned for some reason) This adds +60% accuracy (at rank X) SANS scope to the Rozerad. I love it, makes it extremely accurate. I also have to love it as I spent 2,500 MF to get it to RANK IX. I think this is also on topic.. do you have the AR version of that accuracy mod? Doesn't it also have a negative while the pistol doesn't? In short.. Bioware hates ARs being powerful for some reason. It was the same in ME3MP. The Harrier and the PPR would like a word with you.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jul 17, 2017 22:13:13 GMT
The Soned doesn't sound like a bumblebee with dysentery. That's enough to make it better, IMO.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jul 18, 2017 0:38:11 GMT
AR are good dps and accurate in ME3mp. Harrier, Lancer, Spitfire, Saber, Particle Rifle and the most power weapon in the entire game; The Striker. Some are fine, esp PPR. But a lot weren't. Also considering Shotguns/Snipers got heavy barrel that had both damage/piercing, Pistols had 40% damage barrel, AR/SMG got only armor piercing barrel on the rare tier, so it's like ARs were down a mod slot comparatively. Harrier got a lot of use from me, but it also had shit ammo.. Harrier ammo is the only thing keeping that thing balanced, on Platinum, that is. And even then it still feels overpowered, but it's also my fave Platinum weapon next to Javelin and Claymore, so I know how to get my mileage out of it (but I almost never use Harrier outside of Platinum unless Volus or shitty ammo like explosive). The only time Harrier feels balanced enough on Platinum are those problematic ammo boxes (see my sig for brief guide). But I still make it work every time just fine enough thanks to 6 clip packs. Otherwise, I can still outscore Platinum pugs with Geth Pulse Rifle. Sure the GI helps, but the Geth Pulse Rifle is very accurate + have 3x headshot multiplier with still lots of mooks in ME3mp Platinum. VS the MEAmp dmg soaks Platinum enemies and every inaccurate weapons on massive long range maps.
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Post by yronheart on Jul 18, 2017 0:41:53 GMT
I've noticed this too. I was keen on trying Soned on my Turian Sol, but Rozerad outclasses it in every way while weighing practically nothing.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Jul 18, 2017 1:10:21 GMT
Had a post like this last night, every single AR in the game becomes useless once you get hurricane and rozerad. AR need a REALLY big patch or a automatic armor damage enhancement in every single one of them to be serious.
They are ok on bronze I guess...but then hurricane and rozerad are still better on bronze... so idk. :srs:
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Post by misguidedworm7 on Jul 18, 2017 2:29:11 GMT
Soned variants outclass the rozerad variants when using special ammunition.
I believe the soned is hitscan while the rozerad uses projectiles, making it far more consistent at range against unpredictable targets.
The soned ramps up faster. And it retains it's ramped up status through reloads better.
The soned does not need it's ammo capacity upgraded as much as the rozerad, meaning you can much more easily drop it and take armor piercing without losing your damage output.
If you have a character who can take the weight of the weapon without penalty anyways then the soned offers a bunch of minor consistency advantages, but they are not really worth the weight difference.
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Post by CHRrOME on Jul 18, 2017 2:42:06 GMT
I mean, the Soned is not that bad, but there're better choices out there. It has no place currently assuming you have those better choices in your manifest. They really need to address more weapons in the next update. I say, make Soned WAY more accurate (why it's only accurate for the kett? ) and fucking increase the damage and spare ammo, for christ sake. Also the Soned is heavier than a mutta fucka.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 18, 2017 7:16:15 GMT
Why are we talking about weapons that aren't the hurricane, kishock, shadow, reegar, paw or dhan? Nothing else has a serious role in the gam unless you don't have these guns. Obviously at least the fact that the Rozerad is a pretty good alternative to the Hurricane which you just willfully seem to ignore makes this discussion viable.
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Post by killabkilledb on Jul 18, 2017 7:17:10 GMT
Why are we talking about weapons that aren't the hurricane, kishock, shadow, reegar, paw or dhan? Nothing else has a serious role in the gam unless you don't have these guns. Obviously at least the fact that the Rozerad is a pretty good alternative to the Hurricane which you just willfully seem to ignore makes this discussion viable. If I had a rozerad but didn't have the hurricane I would use the rozerad, yes.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 18, 2017 7:42:55 GMT
Obviously at least the fact that the Rozerad is a pretty good alternative to the Hurricane which you just willfully seem to ignore makes this discussion viable. If I had a rozerad but didn't have the hurricane I would use the rozerad, yes. I guess some people like a bit of variety.
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Post by unclemonster on Jul 18, 2017 12:39:06 GMT
Obviously at least the fact that the Rozerad is a pretty good alternative to the Hurricane which you just willfully seem to ignore makes this discussion viable. If I had a rozerad but didn't have the hurricane I would use the rozerad, yes. Rozerad X > Hurricane III (lowest UR other than Kishock) Plus with the larger clip, I can equip the Pistol Targeting Mod on the Rozerad. It is very, very accurate now. I wish I had a better Hurricane as it was my favorite gun in ME3.
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Post by Schreiner on Jul 18, 2017 20:16:53 GMT
If I had a rozerad but didn't have the hurricane I would use the rozerad, yes. Rozerad X > Hurricane III (lowest UR other than Kishock) Plus with the larger clip, I can equip the Pistol Targeting Mod on the Rozerad. It is very, very accurate now. I wish I had a better Hurricane as it was my favorite gun in ME3. it depends on whether or not you care about quick priming. hurricane beats the rozerad primarily because the enemy gets primed by the ammo power literally 1-2 seconds into shooting. the rozerad can't do that because of the spin up time. it may not be a big difference in time (maybe half a second) but it's extremely noticeable when playing fast paced classes like a human soldier, where priming a target half a second faster for concussive shot is huge.
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