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Post by Spectr61 on Jul 19, 2017 17:04:32 GMT
Holy Hopeful Gullibles. The direct line to why the ME franchise is in its current state can be directly traced to Casey and Mac and their decision to end the trilogy the way they did. Massive negative fan reaction caused the pseudo-mea culpa EC. The parent company stock (EA) tanked by a third following all this. The "team" with Casey and Mac, then came up with the bright idea to abandon the MW, since they burned it down with the endings. Amidst the still continuing controversy, Casey "left" for Microsoft. In the ensuing void, Biower kept the Andromeda idea, and after 2 years or so of dithering about on it, put Mac in charge, and we all know how that turned out. Again, high expectations corporate-wise met with tepid at best reviews and financial performance. Trace it all back to the endings decision. High expectations all around, unmet. I've never heard or seen anything that references a magnificent ending to an otherwise great trilogy. Anyone think a good line on a resume is "Director, Mass Effect 3 endings", or "Lead Writer, Mass Effect 3 endings"? Think game developers talk amongst themselves about how good the Mass Effect Triology ended, or for that matter, how good the whole Andromeda idea turned out? And now, lots of people seem excited the person chiefly responsible for all this is back. I wish him and Biower well, but if the past is any predictor of the future, buckle up, and prepare for hopes and expectations to be built high, then cruelly dashed. EA's stock price had been in steady decline since October of '11, and while the ME3 ending fiasco didn't help it, it was hardly the cause. Mass player exodus from SWTOR, Day One DLC uproar, the Dead Space 3 co-op fallout, anything Origin, EA winning Worst Company in America, etc all played a part in the decline. To blame it solely on ME3's endings is disingenuous. If you are interested, do a stock price historical search for the time following the ME3 launch, you also see that about a month after the launch, EA had lost about 1 billion in market cap. The reasons are many, but the unmet high expectations for ME3 and the endings backlash obviously played a part. Ever wonder why the dev's have referred to getting therapy following the endings fiasco? Also, it's never good to have negative gamer reactions to your flagship franchise make the IBT. |
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 19, 2017 17:15:01 GMT
EA's stock price had been in steady decline since October of '11, and while the ME3 ending fiasco didn't help it, it was hardly the cause. Mass player exodus from SWTOR, Day One DLC uproar, the Dead Space 3 co-op fallout, anything Origin, EA winning Worst Company in America, etc all played a part in the decline. To blame it solely on ME3's endings is disingenuous. According to the NASDAQ, EA's stock price has been steadily climbing for the last four years. Far from the sky is falling, they're doing well as a company. And that's with MEA apparently causing the Nile to turn to blood and reality imploding. People need to remember that the personal view of whichever outrage du jour does not translate into an overall measurable decline nor does the personal opinion of things like Origin, From Ashes or the ME3 endings actually mean anything in the grand scheme of things. |
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Post by wright1978 on Jul 19, 2017 17:43:46 GMT
Hmm well on the one hand it's good bioware have a talented person like Casey back who was part of many of their successful games (despite his shockingly bad me3 ending influence)
On the other this sort shuffling of the top hot chairs does feel like it might be a negative response to mea(whatever spin they try and put on it) which makes me who wants to see Dlc and a sequel even less optimistic.
Also he's back initially for anthem which I have little interest in as it isn't the single player party rpg experience I crave, so nothing to be excited about yet.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 19, 2017 17:49:44 GMT
Also, it's never good to have negative gamer reactions to your flagship franchise make the IBT. Or Forbes, for that matter. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 19, 2017 17:52:59 GMT
EA's stock price had been in steady decline since October of '11, and while the ME3 ending fiasco didn't help it, it was hardly the cause. Mass player exodus from SWTOR, Day One DLC uproar, the Dead Space 3 co-op fallout, anything Origin, EA winning Worst Company in America, etc all played a part in the decline. To blame it solely on ME3's endings is disingenuous. According to the NASDAQ, EA's stock price has been steadily climbing for the last four years. Far from the sky is falling, they're doing well as a company. And that's with MEA apparently causing the Nile to turn to blood and reality imploding. People need to remember that the personal view of whichever outrage du jour does not translate into an overall measurable decline nor does the personal opinion of things like Origin, From Ashes or the ME3 endings actually mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, I think we might have an misunderstanding. I was saying that when ME3 came out, EA's stock had been in a steady decline since October of '11. ME3 came out in March '12. Stock continued to decline after ME3's launch, but not really at an increased rate. EA's stock started rising again by the end of the year, IIRC, and has increased many times since then, now (and still then) a very successful company. So I was saying that at the time there were many reasons for EA's stock decline in '12. ME3's endings probably didn't help, but were far from the single cause. |
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 19, 2017 18:00:52 GMT
It doesn't mean anything, he can be at the top of BW, but EA still decides about Schrödinger's DLC.
Doubt they will let someone talented like him waste resources reanimating MEA, they gonna make him slave away on Anthem for the next 10 years.
I bet they just gonna cram anything about the Quarian Ark into the upcoming novel The Lost Ark/Annihilation and some MP APEX missions with Quarian character.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 19, 2017 18:11:33 GMT
According to the NASDAQ, EA's stock price has been steadily climbing for the last four years. Far from the sky is falling, they're doing well as a company. And that's with MEA apparently causing the Nile to turn to blood and reality imploding. People need to remember that the personal view of whichever outrage du jour does not translate into an overall measurable decline nor does the personal opinion of things like Origin, From Ashes or the ME3 endings actually mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, I think we might have an misunderstanding. I was saying that when ME3 came out, EA's stock had been in a steady decline since October of '11. ME3 came out in March '12. Stock continued to decline after ME3's launch, but not really at an increased rate. EA's stock started rising again by the end of the year, IIRC, and has increased many times since then, now (and still then) a very successful company. So I was saying that at the time there were many reasons for EA's stock decline in '12. ME3's endings probably didn't help, but were far from the single cause. I see. In that case I agree. The stock market may have reacted to the ME3 ending controversy but you're right, the suggestion that it was responsible for a whole decline is absurd. The broader point I was making still relates to this though - there seems to be this belief in gaming that the vocal minority dictate reality. The internet has decided that MEA is a disaster, and that Casey has been bribed into the position in order to right the sinking Mass Effect ship. The fact that the parent company is apparently doing fine, Casey is actually in general charge of the entire Bioware setup rather than specifically ME, and the game is still being supported are all irrelevant, Metacritic gives MEA a 4 and therefore that is that. |
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Post by bshep on Jul 19, 2017 18:24:06 GMT
Out with the old (bitching), in with the old (bitching)... Starting to see why that is annoying to the Andromeda fans? Heh, I am sure that Aaryn OUT and Casey IN has nothing to do with Andromeda. Not at all.  One of the first things you learn when you actually start producing science together with theory should fit the evidence not the other way around.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 18:24:47 GMT
Starting to see why that is annoying to the Andromeda fans? Correlation does not equal causation.One of the first things you learn when you actually start producing science. Indeed. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 19, 2017 18:38:12 GMT
There are still BW Edmonton staffers working on ME:A. Also a job of General Manager is to work on every project under BioWare umbrella, not to neglect other projects to give full attention to other projects. Which means Hudson will work on Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Dragon Age 4 and Star Wars the Old Republic. And that's just games, there's also external materials likes novels, comics, actions figures and other stuff. Casey Hudson will work on everything that falls under BioWare's territory. , their new Dragon Age project was specifically not confirmed to be Dragon Age 4. It may be "Dragon Age Tactics" or "Dragon Age: The Visual Novel" for all we know. A tactics game was definitively ruled out by Mark Darrah. The Edmonton ramp-up is not for a tactics game - also not likely it's for a visual novel - read the tweets following and previous. Of course, that doesn't mean that other folks somewhere else can't make a tactics game... I posted his tweet here: bsn.boards.net/thread/57/dragon-inquisition-twitter-discussion-thread?page=195 |
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Post by colfoley on Jul 19, 2017 18:50:12 GMT
Heh, I am sure that Aaryn OUT and Casey IN has nothing to do with Andromeda. Not at all. we've been through this. The game was a sucess (if barely) and EA considers it a success. (The latter is not opinion it's fact as per the EA earnings call) Then again you might be right. Afterall I'm sure that it's hard watching a game you've poured your heart and soul into getting trashed by a segment of the community. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Jul 19, 2017 18:51:28 GMT
This all reads very much like: we weren't happy with the reception of MEA and want to make people love them again. Still, I hope we get dlc for MEA and also a sequel. I hope we get 3 SP story DLC until late 2017 to early 2018, and MP updates until at least the end of the year, and a sequel (in whatever sense) by 2020-2021. But, well, hopes. |
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Post by Amirit on Jul 19, 2017 18:57:19 GMT
Heh, I am sure that Aaryn OUT and Casey IN has nothing to do with Andromeda. Not at all. My good nature screams "coincident!" but cynical mind can not help but to see correlation: "bad MEA production phase" - Casey leaving - MEA indeed gets bad reception - Aaryn gets all the blame and leave - Anthem promises to be the biggest BW hit ever - Casey returns. Still, pure coincidence, obviously! |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 19, 2017 19:30:24 GMT
Yeah, I think we might have an misunderstanding. I was saying that when ME3 came out, EA's stock had been in a steady decline since October of '11. ME3 came out in March '12. Stock continued to decline after ME3's launch, but not really at an increased rate. EA's stock started rising again by the end of the year, IIRC, and has increased many times since then, now (and still then) a very successful company. So I was saying that at the time there were many reasons for EA's stock decline in '12. ME3's endings probably didn't help, but were far from the single cause. I see. In that case I agree. The stock market may have reacted to the ME3 ending controversy but you're right, the suggestion that it was responsible for a whole decline is absurd. The broader point I was making still relates to this though - there seems to be this belief in gaming that the vocal minority dictate reality. The internet has decided that MEA is a disaster, and that Casey has been bribed into the position in order to right the sinking Mass Effect ship. The fact that the parent company is apparently doing fine, Casey is actually in general charge of the entire Bioware setup rather than specifically ME, and the game is still being supported are all irrelevant, Metacritic gives MEA a 4 and therefore that is that. 100% agree. I don't know if there's really a correlation between Aaryn leaving, Casey coming back, and MEA's reception, but I more likely think, as Aaryn says, that it was a personal reason for him and NOT pressure from the high-ups at EA. He might have hastened plans to move on due to the awful reaction of a minority of "fans", but was more than likely planning on making a move like this already. Casey coming back makes perfect sense, as he is a creator with imagination, something likely unused with the more business focus of Hololense over gaming. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 19, 2017 19:33:37 GMT
Heh, I am sure that Aaryn OUT and Casey IN has nothing to do with Andromeda. Not at all. we've been through this. The game was a sucess (if barely) and EA considers it a success. (The latter is not opinion it's fact as per the EA earnings call) Then again you might be right. Afterall I'm sure that it's hard watching a game you've poured your heart and soul into getting trashed by a segment of the community. I think the games critical failure (compared to all other Bioware games) would have more of an impact on someone's demeanour than sales as its affirmation from your peers in the industry that you done fucked up. |
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Post by colfoley on Jul 19, 2017 19:56:34 GMT
we've been through this. The game was a sucess (if barely) and EA considers it a success. (The latter is not opinion it's fact as per the EA earnings call) Then again you might be right. Afterall I'm sure that it's hard watching a game you've poured your heart and soul into getting trashed by a segment of the community. I think the games critical failure (compared to all other Bioware games) would have more of an impact on someone's demeanour than sales as its affirmation from your peers in the industry that you done fucked up. But imo the game was not a critical failure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:01:22 GMT
EA's stock price had been in steady decline since October of '11, and while the ME3 ending fiasco didn't help it, it was hardly the cause. Mass player exodus from SWTOR, Day One DLC uproar, the Dead Space 3 co-op fallout, anything Origin, EA winning Worst Company in America, etc all played a part in the decline. To blame it solely on ME3's endings is disingenuous. According to the NASDAQ, EA's stock price has been steadily climbing for the last four years. Far from the sky is falling, they're doing well as a company. And that's with MEA apparently causing the Nile to turn to blood and reality imploding. People need to remember that the personal view of whichever outrage du jour does not translate into an overall measurable decline nor does the personal opinion of things like Origin, From Ashes or the ME3 endings actually mean anything in the grand scheme of things. More specifically, EA's stock dropped in the hell that was 2008 like pretty much every other stock in the market. People might not remember that but it was basically the market crash of 2008. It (EA stock) only really began improving in 2013 which is probably around the anticipation of DAI, a game many expected to be a huge success in part because it was one of if not the first RPG game for new consoles at a time when everyone was going all in on new consoles. Right now EA stock is doing amazingly well, but this is really not something one can put much faith in because the whole market is crazy right now with the 'Trump Bump' - something that is basically happening because investors know he is going to change a ton of regulations so companies can do whatever they want with no accountability or rules to guide them, among them changes in tax laws for corporations will likely be included. Pre Trump bump it was around $80 which is still respectable and it had been doing well on its own. Post trump bump, $111 which is quite nice, but again, these prices could drop like a rock the very minute the market gets twitchy about trump's choices, standing or mood.  |
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I see. In that case I agree. The stock market may have reacted to the ME3 ending controversy but you're right, the suggestion that it was responsible for a whole decline is absurd. The broader point I was making still relates to this though - there seems to be this belief in gaming that the vocal minority dictate reality. The internet has decided that MEA is a disaster, and that Casey has been bribed into the position in order to right the sinking Mass Effect ship. The fact that the parent company is apparently doing fine, Casey is actually in general charge of the entire Bioware setup rather than specifically ME, and the game is still being supported are all irrelevant, Metacritic gives MEA a 4 and therefore that is that. 100% agree. I don't know if there's really a correlation between Aaryn leaving, Casey coming back, and MEA's reception, but I more likely think, as Aaryn says, that it was a personal reason for him and NOT pressure from the high-ups at EA. He might have hastened plans to move on due to the awful reaction of a minority of "fans", but was more than likely planning on making a move like this already. Casey coming back makes perfect sense, as he is a creator with imagination, something likely unused with the more business focus of Hololense over gaming. From what Aaryn wrote, it sounds like he was wanting to leave for a little bit perhaps and upon realizing Casey was willing to take over, he saw his opportunity to go. Sounds like possible burn out to me: "I have been contemplating changes in my own life for some time, but when I heard that Casey had confirmed he was up for the task, I realized the opportunities before us. I will be working with him over the next couple of weeks to help catch him up and do my part to set him up for success to be the best GM he can be." I wish both of them all the best. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 19, 2017 20:19:05 GMT
I think the games critical failure (compared to all other Bioware games) would have more of an impact on someone's demeanour than sales as its affirmation from your peers in the industry that you done fucked up. But imo the game was not a critical failure. But they don't care about your opinion, they care about metacritic. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 19, 2017 20:21:17 GMT
But imo the game was not a critical failure. But they don't care about your opinion, they care about metacritic. They don't care about metacritic, they care about sales. A game could get a 0 on metacritic, and if it sold 15 million copies the parent company would give absolutely zero f***s. I'm sure Michael Bay is super upset about Transformers's low Rotten Tomatoes score.  |
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Post by colfoley on Jul 19, 2017 20:22:18 GMT
But imo the game was not a critical failure. But they don't care about your opinion, they care about metacritic. that's what I'm talking about. If i were bioware I'd call the metacritic score a success. Especially given the hurdles the game faced. And apparently ea agrees with me because they called the game a success in the earnings call. |
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 19, 2017 20:26:32 GMT
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 19, 2017 20:34:46 GMT
Hmmm... Telltale game perhaps? Gileadan isn't correct when they say that it's been said they're not working on a "DA4" game. Ahh.. So much rumor going on about it, it's why I keep calling it the next Dragon Age Game. |
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