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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 19, 2017 12:08:13 GMT
Wow. So Casey didn't have a right to make his own life choices? He was beholden to a company like a fucking indentured servant or some kind of slave? He had no rights as a human being to leave BW and do something else? Your comment is wrong on so many levels and it's completely unfair. Not looking to argue. We agree on most everything, but this comment just really strikes me as some serious bullshit thinking because it is in no way Casey's fault that things fell to shit when he left. Frankly that would fall on the one leaving now which I 100% believe is why he is leaving. He should have been on top of it. And frankly, I think it speaks volumes about who was actually always on top of these things and why that someone is coming back. Also might be the real reason why he left in the first place and why so many followed him. One can only guess but given what we have heard about MEA's development cycle, that thing was a clusterfuck of the highest proportions if true. My guess is people happily talked to Jason because they wanted that to be the news so that it would get fixed. AND if Casey's leaving causes bioware to fall apart on MEA and Anthem then BW has bigger problems than Casey's leaving and my guess is what we are seeing here is exactly why casey left. That company should have been able to manage 100% without casey. To even suggest or imply let alone outright call him a quitter is bullshit. He was not beholden to any of these games. Nor should he be held accountable for the clusterfuck that happened when he left. A well run company would have found people to handle things and things would have gone smoothly anyway. Clearly BW has not been a well run company for a while. But be certain of one thing - deciding to leave a job where he was for almost 20 years doesn't make him a quitter. It makes him an independent human being who is not an indentured slave to some silly job and who also has free will to decide what he wants to do and when he wants to do it. Welcome to free societies. (Takes another deep drag from his cigarette) "Merde..." Okay. I hear you. I'm still salty. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 12:15:21 GMT
(Takes another deep drag from his cigarette) "Merde..." Okay. I hear you. Im still salty. Sorry if I kind of lost it there. I totally get where you are coming from because when he left I personally always felt like he was the visionary and the one who kept things going. I always got that man who gets things done vibe from him. And I do feel 100% that if he hadn't left things would have been quite different. But I also feel that it isn't his fault that BW falls to chaos and anarchy or whatever we want to call this clusterfuck upon his exit. It just proves to me that he is as on the ball with things as I imagined and it gives me faith that the ship will be righted now. I even feel great hope for more than one DLC. I feel like a solid two or three might come down the line because great DLC will make for a huge boost to MEA in the long run and go a long way toward putting MEA2 in a great position. Like whatever they spend on the DLC would make it worth the investment just to start getting it back on track now. But that's how I would do things. I would mitigate the damage and do all I can to bolster things now so going into the next game was much easier and smoother, left on a much better note. Edited to add: I also believe wholeheartedly that they brought him back for two huge reasons. 1- get Anthem back on track and make it the next great game from them and 2- repair all damages to ME and make it amazing again because that franchise is still full of potential. (Also to give stockholders confidence given all the flack MEA has taken. This move should boost stock nicely. Things earned lots of money with him around. With him in charge? Even better) |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 19, 2017 12:40:53 GMT
(Takes another deep drag from his cigarette) "Merde..." Okay. I hear you. Im still salty. Sorry if I kind of lost it there. I totally get where you are coming from because when he left I personally always felt like he was the visionary and the one who kept things going. I always got that man who gets things done vibe from him. And I do feel 100% that if he hadn't left things would have been quite different. But I also feel that it isn't his fault that BW falls to chaos and anarchy or whatever we want to call this clusterfuck upon his exit. It just proves to me that he is as on the ball with things as I imagined and it gives me faith that the ship will be righted now. I even feel great hope for more than one DLC. I feel like a solid two or three might come down the line because great DLC will make for a huge boost to MEA in the long run and go a long way toward putting MEA2 in a great position. Like whatever they spend on the DLC would make it worth the investment just to start getting it back on track now. But that's how I would do things. I would mitigate the damage and do all I can to bolster things now so going into the next game was much easier and smoother, left on a much better note. Edited to add: I also believe wholeheartedly that they brought him back for two huge reasons. 1- get Anthem back on track and make it the next great game from them and 2- repair all damages to ME and make it amazing again because that franchise is still full of potential. (Also to give stockholders confidence given all the flack MEA has taken. This move should boost stock nicely. Things earned lots of money with him around. With him in charge? Even better) No apologies necessary. |
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 19, 2017 13:30:54 GMT
This thread is probably in the wrong section. Edmonton will be focusing on Anthem, which is also Casey Hudson's baby and also the big card BioWare is betting on, and now Hudson can make sure that Anthem won't share ME's fate. There are still BW Edmonton staffers working on ME:A. Also a job of General Manager is to work on every project under BioWare umbrella, not to neglect other projects to give full attention to other projects. Which means Hudson will work on Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Dragon Age 4 and Star Wars the Old Republic. And that's just games, there's also external materials likes novels, comics, actions figures and other stuff. Casey Hudson will work on everything that falls under BioWare's territory. |
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Post by kelarqshah on Jul 19, 2017 13:31:45 GMT
Holy Hopeful Gullibles. The direct line to why the ME franchise is in its current state can be directly traced to Casey and Mac and their decision to end the trilogy the way they did. Massive negative fan reaction caused the pseudo-mea culpa EC. The parent company stock (EA) tanked by a third following all this. The "team" with Casey and Mac, then came up with the bright idea to abandon the MW, since they burned it down with the endings. Amidst the still continuing controversy, Casey "left" for Microsoft. In the ensuing void, Biower kept the Andromeda idea, and after 2 years or so of dithering about on it, put Mac in charge, and we all know how that turned out. Again, high expectations corporate-wise met with tepid at best reviews and financial performance. Trace it all back to the endings decision. High expectations all around, unmet. I've never heard or seen anything that references a magnificent ending to an otherwise great trilogy. Anyone think a good line on a resume is "Director, Mass Effect 3 endings", or "Lead Writer, Mass Effect 3 endings"? Think game developers talk amongst themselves about how good the Mass Effect Triology ended, or for that matter, how good the whole Andromeda idea turned out? And now, lots of people seem excited the person chiefly responsible for all this is back. I wish him and Biower well, but if the past is any predictor of the future, buckle up, and prepare for hopes and expectations to be built high, then cruelly dashed. Although, just because events happen in a chronological sequence doesn't mean that they are related, or that the person responsible for the first event is responsible for the last. Your post makes it sound like no matter what game Bioware released in Andromeda, it would have been a failure by sheer consequence of the setting. I think even a lot of MEA haters would disagree with you there. The concept behind the game was solid; it was its execution that let some people down. And Casey left the company after early concepts and prototyping, a long time before the game took any recognisable shape. Yes, he was responsible for the genesis of Mass Effect as well as the OT's ending. EA obviously aren't holding it over him or they wouldn't have invited him back. Tracing MEA's shortcomings back to him doesn't give the Montreal team enough credit in terms of their own agency and vision, or hold them accountable enough for their failures. |
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 19, 2017 13:32:36 GMT
Wrong section, it has nothing to do with ME, thus nothing to be excited about. He joined Edmonton, not Montréal, and didn't say anything about ME, there's even a pic of Anthem lol. Of course after working on Anthem he will want to cash in on that upcoming 10 years of microtransactions money, can't let EA/BW have all of it. he oversees everything Montreal included as GM. He's basically Captain of the Ship Bioware now whereas befoer he left he was more a Lieutenant Commander only responsible for one thing in that case ME now he's responsible for everything Bioware does. More like he is now an Admiral for BioWare fleet. Previously he was a Captain of Mass Effect ship. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 19, 2017 13:33:07 GMT
Holy Hopeful Gullibles. The direct line to why the ME franchise is in its current state can be directly traced to Casey and Mac and their decision to end the trilogy the way they did. Massive negative fan reaction caused the pseudo-mea culpa EC. The parent company stock (EA) tanked by a third following all this. The "team" with Casey and Mac, then came up with the bright idea to abandon the MW, since they burned it down with the endings. Amidst the still continuing controversy, Casey "left" for Microsoft. In the ensuing void, Biower kept the Andromeda idea, and after 2 years or so of dithering about on it, put Mac in charge, and we all know how that turned out. Again, high expectations corporate-wise met with tepid at best reviews and financial performance. Trace it all back to the endings decision. High expectations all around, unmet. I've never heard or seen anything that references a magnificent ending to an otherwise great trilogy. Anyone think a good line on a resume is "Director, Mass Effect 3 endings", or "Lead Writer, Mass Effect 3 endings"? Think game developers talk amongst themselves about how good the Mass Effect Triology ended, or for that matter, how good the whole Andromeda idea turned out? And now, lots of people seem excited the person chiefly responsible for all this is back. I wish him and Biower well, but if the past is any predictor of the future, buckle up, and prepare for hopes and expectations to be built high, then cruelly dashed. EA's stock price had been in steady decline since October of '11, and while the ME3 ending fiasco didn't help it, it was hardly the cause. Mass player exodus from SWTOR, Day One DLC uproar, the Dead Space 3 co-op fallout, anything Origin, EA winning Worst Company in America, etc all played a part in the decline. To blame it solely on ME3's endings is disingenuous. |
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 19, 2017 13:39:27 GMT
Heh, I am sure that Aaryn OUT and Casey IN has nothing to do with Andromeda. Not at all.  I'm pretty sure it is irrelevant. Aaryn Flynn wanted to leave for personal reasons, so he can something new on his own or in different setting. Casey Hudson is simply a BioWare veteran with plenty of leadership experience. Casey is quite frankly, a best replacement for Aaryn Flynn. Just like Flynn was a best replacement for Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk, both who retired from gaming industry in 2012. It is EA's policy to make sure leaders of their game studios are those who are pretty much part of that studio. Keeping it within the family, in a sense. |
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 19, 2017 13:43:37 GMT
Not sure if this was foreshadowing things to come, but Hudson said this regarding Anthem on June 11th:
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Post by Archangel on Jul 19, 2017 13:45:40 GMT
I'm sure this is completely normal staff changes and has nothing to do with MEAs reception /s Anyway...here's hoping... MEA  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 13:47:26 GMT
Not sure if this was foreshadowing things to come, but Hudson said this regarding Anthem on June 11th: That he even was still paying attention shows his heart was always in it. That to me says a lot about how he will do as a GM. He could have moved on or ignored all that stuff. I think it's always been his passion and what he loved, even if he needed a break from it or something else caught his fancy for a while. Those people, who are passionate about something, whose heart is still in it even when they can drop it are the best kind of leaders to have. |
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Post by ssanyesz on Jul 19, 2017 13:56:42 GMT
True but previous ME and DA games were smaller and shorter, but more compact and refined. Maybe later games had more quantity over quality. Thats why i like those older games more. I hope they return to their old formula. I don't see myself replaying DAI and MEA a third time, i'm planning second playthroughs, but can't bring myself to do it (just yet). Also i'm hoping Casey will bring a new dialog system for MEA DLC because what we have now is... not very good to put it politely. Or make a true expansion where some time passes (and characters mature), contains the quarians (and other races), some other unsolved mysteries and replaces the dialog system with more extreme options added. New quests solveable in more than 1 ways with different outcomes. Some new base managment. There are detailed planets already waiting to be filled with content. MEA has so much potential still. My guess is he will go back to basics for MEA2 but keep elements that were overall liked. We'll probably see open worlds still but perhaps with less questing that is necessary. That will probably be minimized. We might end up getting some aspects of Paragon/Renegade but done differently. We probably will see a transition to a darker tone but perhaps not as dark as MET or ME3 in particular. And Ryder will likely mature quite a bit toward something like Shepard while keeping some of the decidedly Ryder traits (humor, sarcasm at times, witt). Most notably I think the writing will improve vastly and given that Drew is back at BW, I would be shocked if he was not moved over to work on MEA2 at some point, or frankly, other DLC for MEA if it is planned or will be planned which I feel like that very well could happen now. When you think about it, right on the cusp of when DLC is or would be going to be released is when Casey comes back. And one thing we know is that quality DLC can make a mediocre game much better. I wouldn't be surprised if we now get some quality DLC to improve MEA overall. In fact, I'm fairly sure we will get two if not three. We can only hope things will get better from here. If they would release a DLC in 1-2 months from now, i fear it would have the same quality as the base game, but i would like to have a more polished and improved experience. Not just in story and writing but in music as well. And please much less SAM talking and less idiotism/clowning outside of the casual tree choices. |
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 19, 2017 14:02:40 GMT
1) It's his baby first and foremost. He would want it to succeed more then anything that BioWare has in development. I think he would want to have some kind say regarding Andromeda-so I think will probably get one more dlc pack beyond just one dlc being announced.
2) People forget, but he was still part of the early, early stages of MEA's development. Before it even got a title. It's obviously hard to say what work he put into it ended up in the final product, but I bet it hurt him a bit to not be apart of Andromeda's development in it's entirety. So, I think he'll want to make up for it in terms of dlc.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 19, 2017 14:05:42 GMT
This thread is probably in the wrong section. Edmonton will be focusing on Anthem, which is also Casey Hudson's baby and also the big card BioWare is betting on, and now Hudson can make sure that Anthem won't share ME's fate. There are still BW Edmonton staffers working on ME:A. Also a job of General Manager is to work on every project under BioWare umbrella, not to neglect other projects to give full attention to other projects. Which means Hudson will work on Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Dragon Age 4 and Star Wars the Old Republic. And that's just games, there's also external materials likes novels, comics, actions figures and other stuff. Casey Hudson will work on everything that falls under BioWare's territory. Well, of course, he's General Manager after all. But Anthem is both their big project and his creation, an IP that stayed on his mind even during his time away from BioWare. I know there are some people still working on MEA, we're still getting patches and MP maps, after all. And that's likely all there is. Somewhere in the Twitter thread, their new Dragon Age project was specifically not confirmed to be Dragon Age 4. It may be "Dragon Age Tactics" or "Dragon Age: The Visual Novel" for all we know. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:09:58 GMT
This is a great interview on BW's process for ME.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:47:40 GMT
All I basically said was, "we don't know..."  Sorry, the "no need to debate or insist on things" wasn't directed just at you, but more general. Was only to (try to) make clear that it is totally my opinion. I know what you were saying, and sorry, I was just trying to say similarly ("I don't know.") Roger roger. You poor soul. You should really let go of that guilt complex.  I don't feel guilty about much. Why do you think so? That 'gulp' and '0_0' was cheery sarcasm. Oh... carry on then. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 19, 2017 14:53:29 GMT
he oversees everything Montreal included as GM. He's basically Captain of the Ship Bioware now whereas befoer he left he was more a Lieutenant Commander only responsible for one thing in that case ME now he's responsible for everything Bioware does. More like he is now an Admiral for BioWare fleet. Previously he was a Captain of Mass Effect ship. I would asy the fleet is more an EA fleet though Bioware is just a shp in EA's fleet as EA owns more than one ship |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 19, 2017 14:56:39 GMT
This all reads very much like: we weren't happy with the reception of MEA and want to make people love them again. Still, I hope we get dlc for MEA and also a sequel.
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Post by auu on Jul 19, 2017 15:01:48 GMT
I had problems with the original ME3 ending for being too short and light on detail. I was disappointed, but not nearly at the point of suicide like other fans. People make mistakes, and ME3's ending was Casey's mistake. Welcome back, Casey  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 15:06:42 GMT
Out with the old, in with the old.... Out with the old (bitching), in with the old (bitching)... Starting to see why that is annoying to the Andromeda fans? Heh, I am sure that Aaryn OUT and Casey IN has nothing to do with Andromeda. Not at all. Correlation does not equal causation. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 19, 2017 15:11:00 GMT
This thread is probably in the wrong section. Edmonton will be focusing on Anthem, which is also Casey Hudson's baby and also the big card BioWare is betting on, and now Hudson can make sure that Anthem won't share ME's fate. There are still BW Edmonton staffers working on ME:A. Also a job of General Manager is to work on every project under BioWare umbrella, not to neglect other projects to give full attention to other projects. Which means Hudson will work on Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Dragon Age 4 and Star Wars the Old Republic. And that's just games, there's also external materials likes novels, comics, actions figures and other stuff. Casey Hudson will work on everything that falls under BioWare's territory. That's a lot. Dang... |
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Post by merlinistyle on Jul 19, 2017 15:53:14 GMT
So we're back to "the ME3 ending is literally worse than cancer, or AIDS, or CANCERAIDS!!11!11!11111!!!!11oneone!11!" Well. At least it's a change from "MEA is literally worse than cancer, or AIDS, or CANCERAIDS!!11!!1!11!11111!!11oneone!11!1111!!!!" Not a good change, but a change. Frankly, I'm happy to have Casey back because - if nothing else - he clearly cares about Mass Effect and the future of the Mass Effect franchise. Well would you look at that, everyone who was bashing on ME:A while wearing rose-tinted glasses on ME3 is now bashing on ME3. I'm so confused as to what their actual opinions are... You know, what they say... "Haters gonna hate"  |
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Post by geralt on Jul 19, 2017 16:49:52 GMT
"Casey, there are 3 paths available for your employment contract, which one will you choose for the signing?"  |
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 19, 2017 16:51:01 GMT
Color me surprised!
Maybe, just maybe, this means Bioware isn't dead just yet. I'm 5% hopeful again. Not sure this is a good thing. Lost causes and all that... But I welcome him back with open arms.
I was never resentful about ME3's ending. Just a bit disappointed. Loved the game overall. Have no grudge against anyone. I would still hug everyone who worked on the trilogy for Shepard.
Casey Hudson gave me something very special. And if there's still some of that geeky passion inside him, perhaps he will have a positive influence on the company. Bioware sure needs some inspiration and new confidence right now.
I consider the Mass Effect name damaged beyond repair though. Bioware drove the franchise against the wall so bad with MEA I don't see how the wreckage can be salvaged. But I'd love a pleasant surprise in, say, four years. But I'm not holding my breath. In fact I doubt his return has anything to do with future Mass Effect games. Until confirmed otherwise I think it's quite likely the franchise did indeed get shelved.
I don't care for Anthem at all right now. My chief concern is the future of Dragon Age. A journey I'd like to see concluded with a bang. Or just concluded at all.
But man, can't deny I'm a little excited about this news.
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