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Post by suikoden on Jul 18, 2017 17:58:41 GMT
I think it's more that you would never have bothered to bring up the downsizing mass effect on ice rumours in a positive thread "guys... don't forget that there might not be DLC because of what Jason reported" - sure it's all rumours, but your willingness to highlight one and shun the other... I didn't shun the other, I just said it was a rumor, not a fact. I haven't (and didn't, at the time) ascribe any legitimacy to any rumors of any kind. I even specifically have said here in this thread that rumor is just that - rumor. If you want to read into something I said, that's your problem, not mine. I just meant that you wouldn't have bothered to bring it up in the first place is all.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 18, 2017 17:59:05 GMT
I remember reading something about Mac and Casey locking themselves up in a room to write the ending separate from the other writers. Don't know how much of it is true though. Legend tells that it was not unlike Howard Hughes' holing up in his personal theater. They came out bushy-faced and clawed hands with stacks of soiled papers declaring that it was done. The people clapped and smiled, but they knew what was coming.
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Post by malgus on Jul 18, 2017 17:59:18 GMT
We keep a whole stable of horses specifically to beat. They even have terrible names, like Furious Disappointment and Despondent Fanboy. It'll be a repeat of MEA with Anthem. I just know it. :smh: When Anthem will come out, MEA will be seen as not as bad for wahtever reason, the most recent bioware game released is always the worst.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 18, 2017 18:02:05 GMT
Guys the ME3 ending and MEA on ice is like beating a dead horse. Let's start looking toward the future, Living in the past is not going to change the past, and it also doesn't predict or change the future. We keep a whole stable of horses specifically to beat. They even have terrible names, like Furious Disappointment and Despondent Fanboy. Don't forget DLC Doubter... I beat on Furious Disappointment didn't I? I did. Sorry.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 18, 2017 18:02:21 GMT
I didn't shun the other, I just said it was a rumor, not a fact. I haven't (and didn't, at the time) ascribe any legitimacy to any rumors of any kind. I even specifically have said here in this thread that rumor is just that - rumor. If you want to read into something I said, that's your problem, not mine. I just meant that you wouldn't have bothered to bring it up in the first place is all. Why not? It's part of the narrative that goes along with this: If I were you I'd abandon all attempts at mind reading.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 18, 2017 18:04:00 GMT
I just meant that you wouldn't have bothered to bring it up in the first place is all. Why not? It's part of the narrative that goes along with this: If I were you I'd abandon all attempts at mind reading. Ugh he tries to do that all the time. Anyway I think it's good that they are bringing back the veterans.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 18, 2017 18:06:50 GMT
I just meant that you wouldn't have bothered to bring it up in the first place is all. Why not? It's part of the narrative that goes along with this: If I were you I'd abandon all attempts at mind reading. Then feel free to remind people of Andromeda's impending doom and dismal sales rumors - they're just rumors, right? I'm sure people would appreciate a new voice on these topics by now.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 18, 2017 18:08:50 GMT
Why not? It's part of the narrative that goes along with this: If I were you I'd abandon all attempts at mind reading. Then feel free to remind people of Andromeda's impending doom and dismal sales rumors - they're just rumors, right? I'm sure people would appreciate a new voice on these topics by now. Interesting, I bring something up once, and you feel the need to beat the drum some more on something that's recently been repeatedly discussed - and you feel the need to be off-topic.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 18, 2017 18:10:28 GMT
It'll be a repeat of MEA with Anthem. I just know it. :smh: When Anthem will come out, MEA will be seen as not as bad for wahtever reason, the most recent bioware game released is always the worst. Nah, that treatment has been reserved for DA:2 and Andromeda. Inquisition was ok and didn't get the hate until after Witcher 3 was released. The fact they're delaying Anthem and now bringing Hudson back gives me confidence they're serious about this one. "A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad."
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 18, 2017 18:11:33 GMT
Someone better versed in Bioware lore; what's Hudson responsible for and what's Flynn responsible for? You mean right now, or in the past? Flynn has been General Manager since the Doctors left if I recall, prior to that Flynn worked on all of the games you would expect with Hudson. Hudson was the creative director of KotoR and the Mass Effect games, left in 2014 and in 2015 worked for Microsoft for a while. His return here is a promotion as General Manager, meaning hes basically in charge of all the studios and their projects versus creative director which is more or less in charge of the direction of one game. Hudson is actually a good choice, and the timing here is good too. Anthem is pretty much getting ready for release, and other BioWare projects are not deep in production where such a change in leadership will hinder them. Speculation on my end, EA asked Hudson back, he decided to take it, and Flynn decided to step down. Whatever the reasons may be, from exhaustion and thinking about a change as they said, to being forced in and out by EA, is academic and not really important. What is important is what Hudson can do...this is the kind of move that can boost confidence in a game like Andromeda, if there is anything to even do there. If not, then it's a long term move for down the line, including the direction of Anthem.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 18, 2017 18:11:52 GMT
Tbh, it doesn't really matter what he'll be working on. This man made KOTOR and the ME trilogy what they were. There is no scenario where this won't be positive.I'm sorry to see Flynn go, though. DAI was awesome. Not necessarily true. He was in charge during the ME3 ending debacle. Also according to rumor, he was personally involved in the mess. I'm not saying the guy is perfect but to suggest that completely undermines successfully directing the only cohesive trilogy in gaming (as well as pretty much the best Star Wars game in its history), then I think you're being a little too harsh. And FWIW, I tend to look on the ME3 ending situation as being similar to the MEA reception - a root issue that was hyperinflated to the point of insanity. I was one of those who really enjoyed the High EMS/Destroy ending post-EC DLC.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 18, 2017 18:12:55 GMT
When Anthem will come out, MEA will be seen as not as bad for wahtever reason, the most recent bioware game released is always the worst. Nah, that treatment has been reserved for DA:2 and Andromeda. Inquisition was ok and didn't get the hate until after Witcher 3 was released. The fact they're delaying Anthem and now bringing Hudson back gives me confidence they're serious about this one. "A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad." I remember some people hating on origins for not being baldurs gate.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 18, 2017 18:13:20 GMT
Then feel free to remind people of Andromeda's impending doom and dismal sales rumors - they're just rumors, right? I'm sure people would appreciate a new voice on these topics by now. Interesting, I bring something up once, and you feel the need to beat the drum some more on something that's recently been repeatedly discussed - and you feel the need to be off-topic. It's ok to admit when you're wrong and just let it go. I didn't even start this topic - just wanted to call you out on your double standard in this regard around "rumors" - I'll stay on topic now. I won't even post any gifs further steering us off topic!
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 18, 2017 18:14:18 GMT
But, then again, I'm one of those weirdos that thinks the most serious issues exist in ME2.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Jul 18, 2017 18:15:14 GMT
And despite the ending controversy ME 3 was still largely a success as was the trilogy as a whole. As a whole the Trilogy was a successful body of work. He was the one running the show back then for the ME franchise. Sure there were other people there that helped make it a success but nobody has done more for this franchise than him. There are plenty of legit criticisms, including his presiding over the rool of cool influences that changed the ME franchise into something less than what it could be. Nobody with a functioning brain believes that ME3 was a critical success, it was obvious at the time that "gaming journalism" had become bought and paid for - a joke (this is one of the reasons why having a gaming journalist as a character in the game was rightly criticized) and that Casey himself was responsible for tons of public relations hyperbole that many considered (rightly) false advertising. None of that can be swept under the rug or forgotten. I had the most fun playing ME3, so I guess I don't have a functioning brain.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 18, 2017 18:15:51 GMT
Not necessarily true. He was in charge during the ME3 ending debacle. Also according to rumor, he was personally involved in the mess. I'm not saying the guy is perfect but to suggest that completely undermines successfully directing the only cohesive trilogy in gaming (as well as pretty much the best Star Wars game in its history), then I think you're being a little too harsh. And FWIW, I tend to look on the ME3 ending situation as being similar to the MEA reception - a root issue that was hyperinflated to the point of insanity. I was one of those who really enjoyed the High EMS/Destroy ending post-EC DLC.Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. As one who considered the culmination of the ME trinity to be a video-game-level-disaster (story-wise, game-mechanics-wise, PR-wise) we'll probably agree to disagree on this one.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 18, 2017 18:17:54 GMT
Interesting, I bring something up once, and you feel the need to beat the drum some more on something that's recently been repeatedly discussed - and you feel the need to be off-topic. It's ok to admit when you're wrong and just let it go. I didn't even start this topic - just wanted to call you out on your double standard in this regard around "rumors" - I'll stay on topic now. I won't even post any gifs further steering us off topic! Feel free to quote where I admit I was wrong about anything. But before you do, it would probably be wise to step towards your medication, take it, and give it time to take effect.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 18, 2017 18:18:35 GMT
Someone better versed in Bioware lore; what's Hudson responsible for and what's Flynn responsible for? I think the role of General manager I think means he's effectively the captain of the ship. His main job is to oversee everything that Bioware does I think and make sure that things run smoothly. Kind of what Director Tann is trying to do on the Nexus in MEA although in his case he does it badly. Hopefully Casey can do a better job for Bioware more than Tann can for the Nexus..
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 18, 2017 18:19:09 GMT
Not necessarily true. He was in charge during the ME3 ending debacle. Also according to rumor, he was personally involved in the mess. I'm not saying the guy is perfect but to suggest that completely undermines successfully directing the only cohesive trilogy in gaming (as well as pretty much the best Star Wars game in its history), then I think you're being a little too harsh. And FWIW, I tend to look on the ME3 ending situation as being similar to the MEA reception - a root issue that was hyperinflated to the point of insanity. I was one of those who really enjoyed the High EMS/Destroy ending post-EC DLC.YOU MURDERED MY GETH BUDDIES!!! :sob:
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Post by smilesja on Jul 18, 2017 18:20:16 GMT
So how will this affect Mass Effect going forward?
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 18, 2017 18:22:11 GMT
So how will this affect Mass Effect going forward? Most likely positively, but we won't really know for long while.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 18, 2017 18:22:18 GMT
There are plenty of legit criticisms, including his presiding over the rool of cool influences that changed the ME franchise into something less than what it could be. Nobody with a functioning brain believes that ME3 was a critical success, it was obvious at the time that "gaming journalism" had become bought and paid for - a joke (this is one of the reasons why having a gaming journalist as a character in the game was rightly criticized) and that Casey himself was responsible for tons of public relations hyperbole that many considered (rightly) false advertising. None of that can be swept under the rug or forgotten. I had the most fun playing ME3, so I guess I don't have a functioning brain. I wasn't saying anyone who enjoyed the game doesn't have a functioning brain. Critical success is different in this context than personal enjoyment of the game... in other words, I was taking aim at the gaming journalist faction. They rightfully were seen as corrupt - those taking money from large video game publishers and delivering padded positive game reviews. This too-close relationship was on exhibition when a gaming journalist was allowed to voice a character in the game.
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Post by roivas on Jul 18, 2017 18:22:49 GMT
Let's hope Casey Hudson is back to save the Mass Effect serie :3. Don't care about Anthem at this point, only ME matters to me :3
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 18, 2017 18:23:19 GMT
There are plenty of legit criticisms, including his presiding over the rool of cool influences that changed the ME franchise into something less than what it could be. Nobody with a functioning brain believes that ME3 was a critical success, it was obvious at the time that "gaming journalism" had become bought and paid for - a joke (this is one of the reasons why having a gaming journalist as a character in the game was rightly criticized) and that Casey himself was responsible for tons of public relations hyperbole that many considered (rightly) false advertising. None of that can be swept under the rug or forgotten. I had the most fun playing ME3, so I guess I don't have a functioning brain. Well, really if we're talking about whether or not a game is a critical success, whether or not any one of us here likes it doesn't matter. I only took a brief look around the internet to find review scores, and overall it seems to be quite positive. It seems to me that regardless of its pitfalls, ME3 has a generally high critic score. Did they take money to pad the scoring? I dunno. If there's solid evidence I'd be keen on taking a look.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 18, 2017 18:23:36 GMT
I'm not saying the guy is perfect but to suggest that completely undermines successfully directing the only cohesive trilogy in gaming (as well as pretty much the best Star Wars game in its history), then I think you're being a little too harsh. And FWIW, I tend to look on the ME3 ending situation as being similar to the MEA reception - a root issue that was hyperinflated to the point of insanity. I was one of those who really enjoyed the High EMS/Destroy ending post-EC DLC.YOU MURDERED MY GETH BUDDIES!!! :sob: Damn right I did. This unit has no soul.
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