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Post by Spectr61 on Jul 18, 2017 22:53:21 GMT
So now the team that is responsible for the ME3 endings debacle is back in charge?
Casey Hudson and Mac Walters.
Exactly how is that a good thing?
Accountability is good, and best of luck to Mssr Flynn, but Andromeda did not meet expectations. Heads should roll.
But bringing back the guy who was responsible for ME's biggest failure?
I guess accountability has a 3 year expiration date.
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Post by lennybusker on Jul 18, 2017 22:57:44 GMT
and EA has already flat out said after MEA what they want out of BW. Uhh, do you have a source for this? If they actually are looking to sell the company, I highly doubt they would say that. "what" they want out of BioWare, meaning what they want BioWare to do from here on.
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Post by xaijin on Jul 19, 2017 0:25:13 GMT
How in the fuck do you get from "we expect results and will be restructuring things to do that" to "firesale, EA says fuck biowers, all mans is fired".
Did you actually read what I wrote?
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Post by treoir on Jul 19, 2017 0:47:59 GMT
How in the fuck do you get from "we expect results and will be restructuring things to do that" to "firesale, EA says fuck biowers, all mans is fired". Did you actually read what I wrote? I imagine it's what lennybusker was suggesting: shinobiwan reading " EA has already flat out said after MEA they want out of BW" where you wrote "EA has already flat out said after MEA what they want out of BW"
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Post by Fly In The Lotion on Jul 19, 2017 0:54:48 GMT
ME3's ending was shit, but the game itself was a classic, including 1-2. I'd take 200 ME3 endings over the boring-ass MEA SP campaign, which I still haven't been able to finish since release day, because it bores me to death. Welcome back, CH!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 19, 2017 0:56:15 GMT
This sucks. We're losing a great dev and getting back a meh dev.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jul 19, 2017 2:00:09 GMT
So now the team that is responsible for the ME3 endings debacle is back in charge? Casey Hudson and Mac Walters. Exactly how is that a good thing? Accountability is good, and best of luck to Mssr Flynn, but Andromeda did not meet expectations. Heads should roll. But bringing back the guy who was responsible for ME's biggest failure? I guess accountability has a 3 year expiration date. Yeah, he was head of the team for the greatest Trilogy we all know and love, and just because of 10 min ending he worked on with super Mac because he didn't have Drew, he's no good no more. Where's the logic in that? ^ Only need to read the comments of that 2014 video to see how funny they are in retrospect. "Yeah! Casey Hudson is gone. Now Mass Effect can be great again." lol Anyway, the main thing that really changed my mind on Casey Hudson was when I found out he was the hardcore sci-fi fan at BioWare. Then it all clicked in with me as to why Andromeda felt like Dragon Age in space instead of a Sci-fi Mass Effect game. As a big sci-fi fan myself, this is why I feel Mass Effect needs someone like Casey Hudson, because the man loves and has good tastes in sci-fi like Blade Runner. Just get Drew to lead write and hope the allotted EA development time is good enough. Though no way do I expect lightning to hit twice like it did with the first Mass Effect (my personal fave), it should still be better then Anboringda. Because lets face it, Mass Effect was a great team effort with Casey at the lead, and that team composition is not the same anymore since Mass Effect 1.
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Post by xaijin on Jul 19, 2017 3:16:32 GMT
How in the fuck do you get from "we expect results and will be restructuring things to do that" to "firesale, EA says fuck biowers, all mans is fired". Did you actually read what I wrote? I imagine it's what lennybusker was suggesting: shinobiwan reading " EA has already flat out said after MEA they want out of BW" where you wrote "EA has already flat out said after MEA what they want out of BW" Referring to shinobiwan's chain of "logic" not lenny's answer thereof
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Post by shinobiwan on Jul 19, 2017 3:23:56 GMT
I imagine it's what lennybusker was suggesting: shinobiwan reading " EA has already flat out said after MEA they want out of BW" where you wrote "EA has already flat out said after MEA what they want out of BW" Referring to shinobiwan's chain of "logic" not lenny's answer thereof Lenny was right. I missed a word and it radically changed the meaning. Take a chill pill, yeesh.
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Post by asari4ever on Jul 19, 2017 10:00:10 GMT
I do not think ME is dead. And the story of MEA is not that bad after all. My biggest complain for MP is boring powers - i really miss commando, asari vanguard, drell, quorians... I still play MEAMP, but it really lacks the diversity. However, these are all just details, and can be improved in the sequel. On the other hand, ME can also go to back to Milky way post ME3, making the destroy ending cannon. Or telling that everything after the beam run is just indoctrinated dream - there are multiple options. It is way easier to continue on the existing foundation, than create a new title and collect the new fan base. Maybe the next time they will collect less preorders, but not less than with the new project.
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Post by N7Mith on Jul 19, 2017 10:00:36 GMT
The me3 ending used to be better. Then it was leaked and they felt like they had to change it. So the guy from Halo wrote a new ending which was approved due to deadlines. I don't really blame Casey for that, but the whole of BW producers. It's good to have him back. Maybe upcoming games will be immersive again.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 19, 2017 10:17:25 GMT
I guess a sacrifice had to be made. Shareholders gonna be pleased. A checkbox ticked. Whether Flynn botched it or had to fight very disfavourable odds we don't know. I've seen good football trainers get fired for an unlucky streak. Sometimes they come back with their next team and stomp their former one - that always cracks me up.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 19, 2017 11:42:12 GMT
ME is still done, Dragon Age will still benefit more from the fact there will be almost no western competition in its genre than because it's a "brilliant gaming setpiece" and contrary to magical SP poster theories, it won't redefine video games as we know it because of social justice softcore titty flashes and that one scene with 3 seconds of both human and qunari manbutt in it.The only direct impact right now is Anthem will be better polished at launch than it would have been, and for anyone thinking "now BW will get back to the way it was" is full on delusional. Hudson is not Hideo Kojima and he is not Naoki Yoshida and he is not Ken Levine. Hot damn, xaijin , your posts never fail to deliver. I am so hot right now I could fry an egg on my skin. Although I do have to agree that "not being Ken Levine" is actually a complement, because seriously Bioshock Infinite what the FUCK.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jul 19, 2017 12:28:36 GMT
I do not think ME is dead. And the story of MEA is not that bad after all. My biggest complain for MP is boring powers - i really miss commando, asari vanguard, drell, quorians... I still play MEAMP, but it really lacks the diversity. However, these are all just details, and can be improved in the sequel. On the other hand, ME can also go to back to Milky way post ME3, making the destroy ending cannon. Or telling that everything after the beam run is just indoctrinated dream - there are multiple options. It is way easier to continue on the existing foundation, than create a new title and collect the new fan base. Maybe the next time they will collect less preorders, but not less than with the new project. You know what, either or can be done. Complete fresh start in another galaxy or continuing the Milky Way one. But for starting in another galaxy I want a true fresh start, zero ties to original Trilogy. Completely surprise me once more like ME1 did. Only you know what the problem with complete fresh start is? Too much time required on world and lore building. Even Mass Effect 1 wasted a huge chunk on world building then had to rush the rest of the game once world and lore building was locked.
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Post by asari4ever on Jul 19, 2017 13:22:50 GMT
I do not think ME is dead. And the story of MEA is not that bad after all. My biggest complain for MP is boring powers - i really miss commando, asari vanguard, drell, quorians... I still play MEAMP, but it really lacks the diversity. However, these are all just details, and can be improved in the sequel. On the other hand, ME can also go to back to Milky way post ME3, making the destroy ending cannon. Or telling that everything after the beam run is just indoctrinated dream - there are multiple options. It is way easier to continue on the existing foundation, than create a new title and collect the new fan base. Maybe the next time they will collect less preorders, but not less than with the new project. You know what, either or can be done. Complete fresh start in another galaxy or continuing the Milky Way one. But for starting in another galaxy I want a true fresh start, zero ties to original Trilogy. Completely surprise me once more like ME1 did. Only you know what the problem with complete fresh start is? Too much time required on world and lore building. Even Mass Effect 1 wasted a huge chunk on world building then had to rush the rest of the game once world and lore building was locked. Exactly - creating new one requires too much efforts for lore creation and world building. And then a LOT of efforts and money for marketing a new title. In the ME universe the lore is already there, and ME has brand recognition. You just need a good story. I personally would love going back to Milky Way Post Apocalypse and rebuild it. You could make an interesting story about just rebuilding the relays and connecting the worlds again. I would even preorder again if they offer a playable Asari. If I were Bioware, I would also consider a refresh to ME3MP - it would be a perfect token of good will.
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Post by Tigger on Jul 19, 2017 13:43:46 GMT
Won't save this game but maybe he can save BioWare.
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Post by Tigger on Jul 19, 2017 13:49:14 GMT
This sucks. We're losing a great dev and getting back a meh dev. A "great" dev that was responsible for Mass Effect Andromeda and a "meh" dev that was responsible for Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire and Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3. I'll take "meh" thanks.
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Post by book on Jul 19, 2017 14:34:49 GMT
I dont give a shit.
After MEA, DAI, Shitty DLC after shitty DLC, MP in DAI and MEA, MA3 etc, etc Im done.
Fuck off Bioware.
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Post by xaijin on Jul 19, 2017 17:39:53 GMT
I didn't like BI, and didn't like it before it was popular to dislike it, but Levine did stay on track and told the story of what tends to happen to people whom live shitty downtrodden lives, and that story in actual history does not end with a disney fanfare.
As for Hudson, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. MEA was fucked the moment BW set up EA to poll for story and thematics was way down the list from "drive a Mako round, everyone loved the Mako so much", which is why for every fanboy you find a hardass with a dissenting opinion and find out why they're so grumpy about it objectively.
It's essentially a net positive in terms of workflow and logistics, but for ME, the ship has fucking sailed and it would take a third party literally making the world's best alpha before EA would give a shit and that takes money or time or both, so why would a dev house risk all that shit on someone else's IP.
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Post by asari4ever on Jul 19, 2017 18:38:23 GMT
I didn't like BI, and didn't like it before it was popular to dislike it, but Levine did stay on track and told the story of what tends to happen to people whom live shitty downtrodden lives, and that story in actual history does not end with a disney fanfare. As for Hudson, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. MEA was fucked the moment BW set up EA to poll for story and thematics was way down the list from "drive a Mako round, everyone loved the Mako so much", which is why for every fanboy you find a hardass with a dissenting opinion and find out why they're so grumpy about it objectively. It's essentially a net positive in terms of workflow and logistics, but for ME, the ship has fucking sailed and it would take a third party literally making the world's best alpha before EA would give a shit and that takes money or time or both, so why would a dev house risk all that shit on someone else's IP. Do someone knows how much BW earned on MEA? The worst dissapointment for me is MEA MP, but the singleplayer is not that bad. Not comparable to The Witcher, but comparable to Fallout 4.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jul 19, 2017 20:42:19 GMT
Casey Who? Being a Bioware games fan since 2008, I have seen only one Bioware employee that can truly make things happen amidst a shitstorm, one that deserves praise and who could potentially save Anthem from being a fiasco - if it isn't already. That person is Luke Barret. Bioware needs him back.
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Post by book on Jul 19, 2017 23:30:29 GMT
Casey Who? Being a Bioware games fan since 2008, I have seen only one Bioware employee that can truly make things happen amidst a shitstorm, one that deserves praise and who could potentially save Anthem from being a fiasco - if it isn't already. That person is Luke Barret. Bioware needs him back. Doesnt Bioware, if anything, need the original two doctors back? Like, what was left after them?
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Post by spacev3gan on Jul 20, 2017 1:59:37 GMT
Doesnt Bioware, if anything, need the original two doctors back? Like, what was left after them? They might need, if they want to work on Story-driven games again. But apparently Bioware has given up on that some time ago. Inquisition and Andromeda are mostly exploration-oriented games, and so is Anthem - this time around having the Multiplayer component as a key element. They need people to work on the Multiplayer to make sure that is decent. Besides the game should be at a pretty advanced stage of its development. "Casey Who", at this point in time, can only serve as a good marketing man.
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Post by akots on Jul 20, 2017 3:18:03 GMT
... Inquisition and Andromeda are mostly exploration-oriented games ... Inquisition had some semblance of a story, there was anticipation, there was Morrigan showing up, you did not know how you got the mark up until mid-game, etc, actually quite a few moments. Not everything was crystal clear right from the start and easily predictable. If one largely ignored majority of exploration, it was not a bad game at all although some things were overplayed to the point of being ridiculous. And yes, gameplay is quite dull in both games but still DAI surpasses Meda in most aspects. Meda on the other hand, does not have any plot at all. I've finally managed to play about 4 hours of single player, went to Voeld and was wondering what am I doing there and why, there is no plot, nothing at all, no story whatsoever. There is no intrigue, anticipation, unexpected development, just plain utter garbage. Driving the car around, occasionally shooting something which is neither frightening nor really dangerous, not even evil, and let's see what happens after you get to some point on the map and solve a sudoku puzzle. It is not even an RPG due to lack of illusion of a choice, I'm not talking about real choice, but rather some new genre of casual pointless wondering about. Best part of it is that I can skip almost all dialogue. DAI IMHO had some good lines and sometimes excellent voice acting, mostly, of course, coming from beloved Claudia Black.
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Post by lennybusker on Jul 20, 2017 4:15:31 GMT
I liked DAI so idk what that says about me
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